hiitsbrian
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Post by hiitsbrian on Mar 26, 2023 13:32:26 GMT -5
Cardona said in the Major Pod FB group that the 2 in 1 isn’t happening. Assuming he has inside knowledge of this.
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Post by newgenandy on Mar 26, 2023 13:39:12 GMT -5
In terms of a crowdfund for wrestling if your not going to do interview sets your limited. People don’t want another ring, if we get a stage then we already have this stage, the raw letters, the new gen light up…how many stages or entrances do we need? You can’t have a giant build like for xmen, you don’t have vehicles / ships like in star wars (the vehicles you do see in wrestling have been done already at retail), you don’t need a giant castle like he man - the scope is very narrow. At most you may get a backstage / locker room area but then your done unless you repeat more rings and more entrances and how many do you need of the same thing hell in a cell? Elimination chamber? Again they’ve done before not as crowdfunders, there’s less meat on the ones for a cage than an interview set. While smaller an interview set would be more intricate needing more tooling which is where a lot of the production costs go into At retail there’s a war games set with 2 rings, cage to go round them both, exclusive figure, ladders, table, chair etc and it’s about £70. So a hell I’m the cell, even real scale wouldn’t prob need to go crowdfunded route |
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Post by newgenandy on Mar 26, 2023 13:43:35 GMT -5
I think they’d do 2 separate stages Just based on past experience they don’t do many / any 2-in-1s. They did a new gen ring then not long after an attitude era ring They did the reals scale raw ring with Goldberg then did the smack down one after with jinder Beck when they did the fabric ring skirts etc there was a real scale raw which come with ‘bonus’ smackdown ring skirt but nXt was a whole separate ring They did the retro blue cage playset snd wcw with dusty close to each other From a business perspective why package 2 in 1 when you can sell separately and get more for it. Similar to what we saw with the new gen/attitude ring imo if this is a stage then it’ll only be one, but if successful we’ll see the same stage repurposed with very little cost (just a bit of signage changed and a few stickers etc) but high return as the other brand. 2 stages also make more sense imo figure wise - otherwise they’d have 3 figures to find between brands. If they do as 2 separate they could do 3 figures as part of the crowdfund then 1 or 2 as part of the online retail stage (again similar to what we saw with the rings) and the rrp for the retail version would be helped since the tooling etc is already done You’re definitely right about past experiences, they did release the rings separate and rarely do 2 in 1s. I’m thinking more that since it’s a crowdfund and Steve mentioned it will be more expensive then the New Gen arena that it’s possible a 2-1 would bring in WAY more supporters then just the 8k they got on the first crowdfund. I know that at least on this forum, there are many who just want the Nitro stage and many who just want the RAW stage. Mattel obviously reads all the forums so they might try to maximize backers by offering both in a huge crowdfund. Personally, I thought we got alot of bang for our buck with the New Gen, $250 wasn’t bad at all. $500 for a dual RAW/Nitro I think is a fair price. Businesses strive for growth so Mattel I’m sure is going to shoot higher for this crowdfund as compared to the first one. 7k to 12k backers might be the new goal. That early bird special from last time had to be thrown in because backers were low initially so I doubt Mattel would want to take that risk again. Offering 1 entrance stage might be risky cause not all fans are die hard Nitro and not all fans are die hard RAW. I love both of em and both those entrances are sweet so I’m on board regardless. I thought the new gen was good value too but there was a lot of blow back and it only just got funded. I struggle to see them hitting a $500 confidently (I.e. in a day or two like some crowdfunders) Which is a bit silly really when you think people will pay $100-$150+ for a figure which was $35 at retail a few months before because they couldn’t get hold of it. Or look at the daft prices people payed for Patterson, chief etc yet thought $250 for a ring, entrance, commentators table, 3 figures etc “wasn’t good value” according to some |
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Post by newgenandy on Mar 26, 2023 13:49:26 GMT -5
Cardona said in the Major Pod FB group that the 2 in 1 isn’t happening. Assuming he has inside knowledge of this. Potentially could have already been given the full info but not allowed to discuss? Then again he might just be making an educated guess. Or he could just have had a few clues. There’s a word for it but I can’t recall when journalists etc get given info but are not allowed to disclose until a certain date. A music journalist was talking about it on his podcast, like for example he’s told x band are doing a tour and all the tour dates etc but they’re not allowed to run the news until a certain date which is when the official announcement is made. It’s not non disclosure there’s a particular term for it but can’t remember what it is snd don’t want to go listening back to a podcast to find it lol |
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Post by The Assassin on Mar 26, 2023 13:53:56 GMT -5
There’s a word for it but I can’t recall when journalists etc get given info but are not allowed to disclose until a certain date. A music journalist was talking about it on his podcast, like for example he’s told x band are doing a tour and all the tour dates etc but they’re not allowed to run the news until a certain date which is when the official announcement is made. It’s not non disclosure there’s a particular term for it but can’t remember what it is snd don’t want to go listening back to a podcast to find it lol Embargo? I'm not sure I've just heard that term used in regard to upcoming movies |
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Post by newgenandy on Mar 26, 2023 13:57:31 GMT -5
There’s a word for it but I can’t recall when journalists etc get given info but are not allowed to disclose until a certain date. A music journalist was talking about it on his podcast, like for example he’s told x band are doing a tour and all the tour dates etc but they’re not allowed to run the news until a certain date which is when the official announcement is made. It’s not non disclosure there’s a particular term for it but can’t remember what it is snd don’t want to go listening back to a podcast to find it lol Embargo? I'm not sure I've just heard that term used in regard to upcoming movies Yep 👍 |
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Post by Jeremiah on Mar 26, 2023 14:17:53 GMT -5
In terms of a crowdfund for wrestling if your not going to do interview sets your limited. People don’t want another ring, if we get a stage then we already have this stage, the raw letters, the new gen light up…how many stages or entrances do we need? You can’t have a giant build like for xmen, you don’t have vehicles / ships like in star wars (the vehicles you do see in wrestling have been done already at retail), you don’t need a giant castle like he man - the scope is very narrow. At most you may get a backstage / locker room area but then your done unless you repeat more rings and more entrances and how many do you need of the same thing hell in a cell? Elimination chamber? I would be ok if it was 5-6 UE figures. Along as it's some deep cuts so ftil or some bad ass attire choices. |
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Post by stc13 on Mar 26, 2023 14:31:38 GMT -5
You’re definitely right about past experiences, they did release the rings separate and rarely do 2 in 1s. I’m thinking more that since it’s a crowdfund and Steve mentioned it will be more expensive then the New Gen arena that it’s possible a 2-1 would bring in WAY more supporters then just the 8k they got on the first crowdfund. I know that at least on this forum, there are many who just want the Nitro stage and many who just want the RAW stage. Mattel obviously reads all the forums so they might try to maximize backers by offering both in a huge crowdfund. Personally, I thought we got alot of bang for our buck with the New Gen, $250 wasn’t bad at all. $500 for a dual RAW/Nitro I think is a fair price. Businesses strive for growth so Mattel I’m sure is going to shoot higher for this crowdfund as compared to the first one. 7k to 12k backers might be the new goal. That early bird special from last time had to be thrown in because backers were low initially so I doubt Mattel would want to take that risk again. Offering 1 entrance stage might be risky cause not all fans are die hard Nitro and not all fans are die hard RAW. I love both of em and both those entrances are sweet so I’m on board regardless. I thought the new gen was good value too but there was a lot of blow back and it only just got funded. I struggle to see them hitting a $500 confidently (I.e. in a day or two like some crowdfunders) Which is a bit silly really when you think people will pay $100-$150+ for a figure which was $35 at retail a few months before because they couldn’t get hold of it. Or look at the daft prices people payed for Patterson, chief etc yet thought $250 for a ring, entrance, commentators table, 3 figures etc “wasn’t good value” according to some Wrestling just doesn't have the volume of collectors or wealth that other lines involved in crowd funding projects have. A lot of expectations are just completely out of alignment with reality - there were a lot of comments on the New Gen stage that the whole package should have cost $100. And there are already plenty of comments here about how this should be 2-in-1 or have half a dozen figures. There are also folks who don't have the expendable income to drop $4-500 at once, and there's a different psychology that comes with large dollar purchases versus multiple smaller transactions that add up to the same amount. |
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Post by savedbytheringbell on Mar 26, 2023 14:52:09 GMT -5
If this is the mega thread for the new crowdfund, I am ready with my popcorn to read all the mayhem set to unfold lol
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Post by coldblooded on Mar 26, 2023 14:56:36 GMT -5
Lots of wishful thinking itt. I hope everyone is happy and satisfied with the outcome. Because the higher the price, the less likely the 2fers or 3fers last go round might only just get 1 this time. We are gonna need a lot of people on boat to get the full value of this set in the end.
I can't wait for the news ahead.
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Post by newgenandy on Mar 26, 2023 14:59:44 GMT -5
I thought the new gen was good value too but there was a lot of blow back and it only just got funded. I struggle to see them hitting a $500 confidently (I.e. in a day or two like some crowdfunders) Which is a bit silly really when you think people will pay $100-$150+ for a figure which was $35 at retail a few months before because they couldn’t get hold of it. Or look at the daft prices people payed for Patterson, chief etc yet thought $250 for a ring, entrance, commentators table, 3 figures etc “wasn’t good value” according to some Wrestling just doesn't have the volume of collectors or wealth that other lines involved in crowd funding projects have. A lot of expectations are just completely out of alignment with reality - there were a lot of comments on the New Gen stage that the whole package should have cost $100. And there are already plenty of comments here about how this should be 2-in-1 or have half a dozen figures. There are also folks who don't have the expendable income to drop $4-500 at once, and there's a different psychology that comes with large dollar purchases versus multiple smaller transactions that add up to the same amount. 100% agree, but I struggle to resolve the dichotomy of people thinking the crowdfunding should’ve been £100-150 then spending $150+ on one figure because they couldn’t find it 6 months ago in Walmart. The UE re-release topics have people fuming because they spent 2, 3 or 4x retail on a figure that’s now being re-released |
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Post by slimjim23 on Mar 26, 2023 15:01:13 GMT -5
If it’s just WCW they will need a couple of desired figures that wouldn’t do well at mass retail for this to fully fund.
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Post by newgenandy on Mar 26, 2023 15:12:28 GMT -5
If it’s just WCW they will need a couple of desired figures that wouldn’t do well at mass retail for this to fully fund. I think that’s kinda the format, like with doink I don’t know enough about wcw or who’s signed to know who that would be…would Alex wright fit that sort of role of one wcw fans want but work at retail? |
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Post by matgarza5 on Mar 26, 2023 15:18:37 GMT -5
Wrestling just doesn't have the volume of collectors or wealth that other lines involved in crowd funding projects have. A lot of expectations are just completely out of alignment with reality - there were a lot of comments on the New Gen stage that the whole package should have cost $100. And there are already plenty of comments here about how this should be 2-in-1 or have half a dozen figures. There are also folks who don't have the expendable income to drop $4-500 at once, and there's a different psychology that comes with large dollar purchases versus multiple smaller transactions that add up to the same amount. 100% agree, but I struggle to resolve the dichotomy of people thinking the crowdfunding should’ve been £100-150 then spending $150+ on one figure because they couldn’t find it 6 months ago in Walmart. The UE re-release topics have people fuming because they spent 2, 3 or 4x retail on a figure that’s now being re-released Yep it definitely does seem like people will spend $75-$150 on an ultimate edition they missed but I couldn’t believe how many were criticizing the $250 New Gen arena. And that arena came packed with 3 great ultimate figures! I just think that nowadays they will never release these arenas or entrances at retail so if we as die hard collectors have to pay for something as awesome as these stages once every few years why not? Especially if they give us multiple figs and awesome stretch goals. If it’s just the Nitro Arena that’s fine with me. A few figs and accessories I think $349 is fair. And I’m a person who’s bought the barge, galactus, sentinels, gi joes, and snake mountain. So the New Gen was an easy buy for me with all that value and the Nitro Stage would be even better |
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Post by KingRichardSimmons on Mar 26, 2023 15:26:15 GMT -5
100% agree, but I struggle to resolve the dichotomy of people thinking the crowdfunding should’ve been £100-150 then spending $150+ on one figure because they couldn’t find it 6 months ago in Walmart. The UE re-release topics have people fuming because they spent 2, 3 or 4x retail on a figure that’s now being re-released Yep it definitely does seem like people will spend $75-$150 on an ultimate edition they missed but I couldn’t believe how many were criticizing the $250 New Gen arena. And that arena came packed with 3 great ultimate figures! I just think that nowadays they will never release these arenas or entrances at retail so if we as die hard collectors have to pay for something as awesome as these stages once every few years why not? Especially if they give us multiple figs and awesome stretch goals. If it’s just the Nitro Arena that’s fine with me. A few figs and accessories I think $349 is fair. And I’m a person who’s bought the barge, galactus, sentinels, gi joes, and snake mountain. So the New Gen was an easy buy for me with all that value and the Nitro Stage would be even better That's pretty typical collector mentality. It's not rational and I do it too here and here. It could be that we're just projecting our own insecurities about overspending on toys when we have other responsibilities. It's the same kind of attitude I have when I see very minor variants released for a figure line. A totally skippable one and then I get mad at the toy company for "making me" buy more. "Why do you have to release all these variants? This guy has like one minor difference from the other version. I don't want it but now I HAVE to buy it. It's your fault that I have no money." lol. |
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Post by Jim Cornette’s Wendy’s Order🍔 on Mar 26, 2023 16:39:42 GMT -5
Personally, I do hope it’s a 2 in 1, however if it isn’t - I do want to see this funded simply because it makes the likelyhood that the raw is war stage would be made next, and potentially cheaper if the stage mold was the same.
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Post by CM Tusk on Mar 26, 2023 16:42:53 GMT -5
I hope they reveal what it is at Axxess but don’t put it up till the end of April.
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Post by ~*Young $ Money*~ on Mar 26, 2023 17:25:53 GMT -5
I hope they reveal what it is at Axxess but don’t put it up till the end of April. If they were smart they would because people will be getting tax returns . Not sure how many people will use it for this though |
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Post by iamcline on Mar 26, 2023 17:27:32 GMT -5
I wouldn't be surprised if it goes up next weekend. Steve has been warning folks for quite sometime to start saving those pennies.
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Post by hiitsbrian on Mar 26, 2023 17:27:50 GMT -5
If it’s just WCW they will need a couple of desired figures that wouldn’t do well at mass retail for this to fully fund. Yup. Mortis or bust for me! |
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