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Post by MKSavage on May 6, 2023 4:01:33 GMT -5
That would just make more room for them to flood the market with Lex's... I just got off the phone with Mattel President, Richard Dickson, and after we agreed his parents should go to jail for naming him that, he told me no more Hogan, Warrior, or Lex. Then he gave me tickets to the Barbie movie. Solid guy.
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Post by tim on May 6, 2023 4:03:03 GMT -5
i don’t know what to do with myself i’ve gotten used to constantly going to the Mattel Creations page every so often (almost every minute the last two days or so) and refreshing to see the number of backers.
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Post by hiitsbrian on May 6, 2023 4:03:47 GMT -5
Mattel made a lot of small mistakes on this that hindered progression. From Rey being the included figure, to the Hogan being a rerelease. You had the fact that they included a usually colourful character like Warrior just in jeans. Steiner didn’t have all the deco. But it would have been funded in spite of those things if they’d have given us Steiner as an early bird from the beginning. Motivate that FOMO by saying anyone after 10 days won’t get him and not launched without sorting out international costs. This thing was DEAD the moment it went up at £470, which was already ludicrous and then Jack it up an extra £30 with no explanation the following day. Absurd. Don’t forget not really trying to advertise it until less than a week left.
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Post by tim on May 6, 2023 4:04:32 GMT -5
and i don’t care what anybody else says, i ing love that Rey. put it on the website for whatever they charged for the Cody or the Logan Paul and i am buying two of him easily
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Post by SteveHulk on May 6, 2023 4:14:45 GMT -5
It really is baffling why they didn't just charge UK/international backers the cost price ($400) plus the extra shipping... it seemed such a simple way of doing things (it's how they did thimgs for the New Gen set too).
Who on earth wants to pay all the import fees etc. up front/all in one go, when they're already paying extra for the shipping? Not to mention the unexplained overcharge (which was £32 at the minimum).
I'd really like Mattel - and more specifically the scam-tastic Mattel Creations website - to learn from this and stop overcharging us for everything... I'd buy a GREAT deal more from them if they did .
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Post by breal59 on May 6, 2023 4:14:52 GMT -5
I think they also needed to put up more mainstream names for something at such a big price point. Hogan has a loyal fan base, Flair has a loyal fan base, Savage has a loyal fan base, Savage, Piper, Warrior, Bret Hart, Goldberg.
They shouldn't have pulled Hogan from the opening lineup.
Once I saw the £500 price point, I was still saving up for it because I wanted the Hulk Hogan Ultimate Edition also. When they pulled it from the opening I lost interest.
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Post by jfinnomore on May 6, 2023 4:25:23 GMT -5
A real shame this thing didn’t make it. I was lucky enough to see it in person at Mania, it deserved to be made. And now my passive aggressive, drunk take on the situation (almost 7.00pm here in Australia on Saturday night, I’m just getting started 🍺). The figure choices missed big time. Rey’s WCW run is an after thought for most collectors at this point, he had no business being anywhere near a WCW stage crowd fund. Same goes for “wish” (WCW) Hulk Hogan, and while they switched to Steiner, it got off on the wrong foot. Why not just do the Outsiders or Harlem Heat straight up and call it a day. I get holding off Bischoff to the ring, but it that failed didn’t it. Maybe it should have been Bischoff and DDP! Point is, Rey and Hogan were a big miss. And stop with the bloody reissues / rereleases. You’re killing your own market. What made the New Gen work was resellers, like it or hate it, that’s the game. Very few “investors” (using that term lightly) doubled or tripled up on this, that’s the gap why it came up 1k short. And you can all say, scalpers suck blah blah blah, but we as buyers fuel their market. Mattel can’t have it both ways, you either completely kill the secondary market and give up on high end items, or you stop the reissues, understanding that the secondary market can be a good thing and support high end items that can be broken up and sold for profit. (In turn helping those who can’t or won’t pay the total get parts/figures they want) And lastly, you’re alienating your collector base with all this influencer crap. Guess what, most of us who buy the more expensive stuff are grown men, who like to think our collections are pretty awesome. We don’t like Logan Paul or KSI (who ever the hell that is), you’re just pissing us off by sending these “influencers” item first. Cody is the perfect example, why do other have it before the rest of us. Not like they can go out “influence” anyone to buy it? Passive aggressive rant over. I really did want this to get made, I back it even though I only collect MOC and have no use for a stage. Now back to my beers 🍻 cheers 😜 Yes, Yes and Yes! Preach! The Cody getting sent to reviewers was such a bad call on them. Like you said they can't sell anymore so why you favoring certain collectors by giving them free figs earlier than the actual release? Mattel has done a good job of leaving a bad taste in the mouth in 2023, maybe should take more time focusing on colors and scale and distribution and less time with Sam Roberts.
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Post by poindizzle on May 6, 2023 4:27:26 GMT -5
Maybe Ramen Toys can come in and make a better version of this crowdfund too.
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Post by Mongo Bears on May 6, 2023 4:27:57 GMT -5
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Post by Warriah' on May 6, 2023 4:28:11 GMT -5
Hey launch the crowdfund again. Fix the issues and I’ll back 2 🤷♂️
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Post by Xæro #FakeCollector on May 6, 2023 4:35:51 GMT -5
Just think. All they had to do to make this a success was charge international customers the same as the yanks. 1000 people from the rest of the world would have absolutely backed this. Will they learn from this? I have a feeling that’s a no. This died by Mattel’s greed. Nothing more to say. But I thought the project didn't need international backers
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Post by PJ on May 6, 2023 4:39:55 GMT -5
Well, hopefully this puts an end to crowdfunding. I don’t want to be shown something that I want and then have the control/fate to whether or not I get it have to rely on the whims of others. No thank you.
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Post by mperiolat on May 6, 2023 4:44:00 GMT -5
Well…
I’m disappointed as this would have been cool to have. Honestly, if we want play a blame game, the issues with the cost for international fans were probably a major factor for this not getting backed. Beyond that, as a positive person, I do not wish to contribute to negativity or anger regarding the failure. We have enough of that in the world.
We tried, I contributed, we move on. Sorry all.
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on May 6, 2023 5:12:33 GMT -5
This one was marketed way more than new gen.. it just wasn’t worth it in the consumers eyes. That’s it point blank period 100% For multiple factors whether it was the overall price/figure selection/international shipping cost. All of those things combined to hinder its appeal and value for many it seems. There was a ton of backlash over that particular Hogan being the choice they went with, but this project also didn't have a properly executed "early bird" incentive to drive backers which I believe was a huge blunder and one they were never able to recover from. They showed all of their cards upfront and didn't leave an ace up the sleeve to give this thing a more timely boost. It may not seem like a big deal to many. However, as someone who works in sales there is a psychological edge gained over the consumer when something is offered after the fact. You see this in every infomercial when there is a "but if you call in the next 20 minutes" kicker introduced midway through the advertisement. That is when you are able to rope in more buyers who may have been on the fence. Perceived value is a very powerful tool especially when implemented at the right time. Of course, if whatever "extra bonus" is offered does not pass the sniff test then it does not matter as much. In my opinion, and apparently the majority as well, the Hogan offered for this project was far inferior to the Randy Savage from the New Generation set for many reasons. Kudos to Steve and the Mattel Team for pivoting and shuffling the tiers around to make things more enticing, but simply switching up the figure rollout proved not as effective as introducing something EXTRA when this thing stalled.
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Post by ChuckPOORis55 Cody Gang 4 Lyfe on May 6, 2023 5:13:39 GMT -5
So...what do you guys wanna talk about?
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Post by figvegas on May 6, 2023 5:13:41 GMT -5
Probably not adding anything new to the conversation but my views on this not hitting that target (and I am a UK backer)
The international pricing - been mentioned 400 times now and I’m sure it’s just as frustrating for Steve and team as it’s basically screwed them too. The sudden move from 470 to 500 was insult to injury (On a side note it would be great to see such passion in the UK against our everyday prices and the rest but hey, ho.)
Figure choices - Steiner aside (and ddp), just very strange. You’re never going to please everyone but this is a niche product with niche appeal. Throw in some obscure FTIL and it becomes a must have. It really needed more nWo and having the rey at 5k as well as hogan as early bird were the worst possible placings.
The crowdfunding concept - the problem with the model is people perceive the value being in all 11k tiers being reached and it’s all a big psychological game. ‘I’ll back it if it reaches x’ bad then never do. Would be very interesting how many backed this if it just went up for a pre order.
The price - the set looks fantastic and I’m sure they’ve done everything to drive down costs. However it seems that there just isn’t a market for something at this price point. The raw stage would’ve been even more so can’t see how that would have went anything differently.
Despite the above I am disappointed it never made it. Especially as it seems like a missed opportunity. Hopefully there’s more market research ahead of the next one, especially in terms of figure choices. Even an open fan takeover vote from available contract choices? Could do it as a tournament?
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Post by SteveHulk on May 6, 2023 5:14:04 GMT -5
I really don't think there's enough interest in large/expensive items like the stage... what were people mainly talking about? The figures. Same with the New Gen set... yes, the entrance-way was cool - but it was Macho and Doink that sold it/got people excited.
So if Mattel do another crowdfunding thing, why not try a figure set? (eg. the NWO or DX). Yes, I know Steve has said crowdfunding is for things they couldn't/wouldn't sell at retail - but honestly, would a $200+ boxset of 4-5 UE figures really be feasible at retail? I don't think so. And as the Retros, Coliseum Collection, and UE Cody and Logan Paul figures have shown, the market is definitely there for exclusive figures and figure sets.
Anyway... just thinking out loud, lol.
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Post by kirk815 on May 6, 2023 5:15:59 GMT -5
Well, hopefully this puts an end to crowdfunding. I don’t want to be shown something that I want and then have the control/fate to whether or not I get it have to rely on the whims of others. No thank you. I get that feeling, but collectors pushed Mattel for years to explore crowdfunding projects for WWE so I can't really fault them for that even if it isn't for everyone. They tried - it's just mind boggling that they did a WCW Nitro crowdfund that included a yellow/red Hogan (that they basically already released), a DDP previously released as an elite (after people complained that the elite wasn't released in jeans/rib tape with a SERIOUS face sculpt), a Warrior that had a handful of appearances in WCW (and the figure looked weird), a Rey Mysterio that is still active and receiving so many current/flashback releases a year, and a FTIL announced Scott Steiner in boring attire that they legally couldn't fully execute. Who knows, maybe they tried a different lineup and WWE didn't approve it and this is what they had to go with. If they didn't though, then I'm lost regarding the decisions for figures/attires that were included in this. And just to be clear, I agree that the biggest issue was the pricing and payment options for international customers. I'm just speculating on why there weren't enough people to back this in the U.S.
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Post by YeehawMan on May 6, 2023 5:24:14 GMT -5
It really is baffling why they didn't just charge UK/international backers the cost price ($400) plus the extra shipping... it seemed such a simple way of doing things (it's how they did thimgs for the New Gen set too). Who on earth wants to pay all the import fees etc. up front/all in one go, when they're already paying extra for the shipping? Not to mention the unexplained overcharge (which was £32 at the minimum). I'd really like Mattel - and more specifically the scam-tastic Mattel Creations website - to learn from this and stop overcharging us for everything... I'd buy a GREAT deal more from them if they did . Greed and arrogance, they thought they could get away with it and it backfired massively
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Post by RedDevil on May 6, 2023 5:24:53 GMT -5
Really tough to watch the Coronation so soon after this; you just know how disappointed the King must be that this didn’t get funded, but he’s not letting it show during the event itself - a true inspiration to us all
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