RedDevil
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Post by RedDevil on Apr 6, 2023 19:19:38 GMT -5
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Post by cldbld on Apr 6, 2023 19:20:42 GMT -5
Did Ringside ever put their New Gen sets up for sale? Yes they did; not sure how long it took to sell-out though. It didn't take long that's for sure lol
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Post by Professor Sparlin on Apr 6, 2023 19:20:44 GMT -5
I agree, I've read posts by people (on social media) that are "waiting" to see what figures come with it. I just shake my head in disbelief, we need all the backers we can get TO GET the the figures. Hogan should have just gone to the first 5000 backers. It would have lit a fire under people if they wanted the rare figure and WCW Hogan would have been 1/5000 (making it extra "special" since so many on here are saying that it's not). Agree. Then the issue would be that there weren't enough Hogan's and people are scalping. The same thing happened with the Amazon Hogan. When supply starts to dry people to desire these figures, but when they're available no one cares. Couldn't care less for another Hogan. All the Hogan's I want have bneen create in Ultimates or Elite form. If, and thats a big if, this gets the support needed. All you'll have is a $400 stage from a company that lost the Monday Night wars... Two more points, look at Jakks 1 of 5,000 RAW and Smackdown figures, or AEW ones... secondary market prices are very uinderwhelming. Also, Mattel is not shy about producing figures as time goes by. Why should I back this?
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Post by cldbld on Apr 6, 2023 19:26:52 GMT -5
Hogan should have been like macho, backed by the deadline, and only the 5k who back it get Hogan.
I'm sure people out there are confused on the wording as some people were here and needed multiple confirmations that no, everyone gets Hogan regardless if it gets backed by eod tomorrow.
Like I said earlier, if I see a surge and we are close I'll order one. If it is only sitting at 2k-2.5k I'll probably pass.
You got to remember a lot of us don't care for nitro, 👋. So I'll only be backing it for everyone else to get their stage. I imagine the same arguments would come from people who don't care for a raw stage.
I didn't back the new gen set to help it get made, I backed it because I wanted it.
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Post by Chip on Apr 6, 2023 19:28:10 GMT -5
I agree, I've read posts by people (on social media) that are "waiting" to see what figures come with it. I just shake my head in disbelief, we need all the backers we can get TO GET the the figures. Hogan should have just gone to the first 5000 backers. It would have lit a fire under people if they wanted the rare figure and WCW Hogan would have been 1/5000 (making it extra "special" since so many on here are saying that it's not). That stage isn’t worth a $400 price tag… that stage with Hogan and Mysterio isn’t worth a $400 price tag… Hell, that stage with Hogan, Mysterio and DDP isn’t worth a $400 price tag (debatable). Now, Steiner added to it? We’re looking at it possibly being worth $400. I’d be pissed if I backed it, only to get the stage and Hogan/Mysterio in the end. I’m not putting a down payment on something and not knowing if I’ll be getting everything or not. This is it. If it was 5 figures with no stretch goals and just a minimum of like 7k backers this wouldnt be a problem they shouldnt have gone crazy with tiers. Tell me I'm getting 5 barebones Ultimates with a stage for $400....they'd be at 5k backers already The figures just aren't that exciting...how are people missing this? Rey...he's a big seller maybe to kids and moms at retail (debateable) but we're already getting TWO OTHER Ultimate Reys this year alone....and this one is going to come with a paper thin see through black "robe"...wooo Hogan....we have a million Hogan's....and nobody thinks if this thing doesn't get funded they will just release that Hogan anyway? of course they will DDP....least iconic WCW look, and almost zero accessories. What is the incentive for this DDP? a vest? whoopee Steiner....OK it's the first time figure, it looks cool, new biceps molds are perfect...but the requirement to get there is stupid high and all the figure comes with is a belt and another head. It should have been the guaranteed figure Warrior....completely random figure, in an era where we have tons of Warriors, might look cool but it's not needed in the Ultimate line, could easily make that an elite
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Post by GreyHaze:Big Bad Booty Daddy on Apr 6, 2023 19:29:45 GMT -5
Agree. Then the issue would be that there weren't enough Hogan's and people are scalping. The same thing happened with the Amazon Hogan. When supply starts to dry people to desire these figures, but when they're available no one cares. Couldn't care less for another Hogan. All the Hogan's I want have bneen create in Ultimates or Elite form. If, and thats a big if, this gets the support needed. All you'll have is a $400 stage from a company that lost the Monday Night wars... Two more points, look at Jakks 1 of 5,000 RAW and Smackdown figures, or AEW ones... secondary market prices are very uinderwhelming. Also, Mattel is not shy about producing figures as time goes by. Why should I back this? What does losing the Monday Night Wars have anything to do with this set? Some of us just genuinely like WCW. It's okay if you don't like WCW, or this set, but it's a fantastic piece. Depends, when those Amazon Hogan's were sold out some people were paying $160 and the outcry was over the roof. Some of us got our orders canceled. If you don't want to back this set, you don't have to. We're here because we're trying to get this thing funded, some people are on the fence and there are a lot of people who aren't even aware of this product. At this point, it is what it is for me. I've always wanted a Nitro stage, so I'm risking it.
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Post by SteveHulk on Apr 6, 2023 19:33:07 GMT -5
I love when people prove my point exactly. The figures are 90% identical minus accessories that are easily found elsewhere, thank you for agreeing. The head and accessories account for way more than 10% I can point to 3 elites Seth Rollins figures where all that’s different is the paint deco of the tights. You think those figures are 90% different? Then you know nothing about figures. Regardless though - basically adding a different shirt and a new head to an easily available UE figure isn't really much of an incentive, when you're trying to get/attract early backers.
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Post by Flair Forever on Apr 6, 2023 19:33:39 GMT -5
Agree. Then the issue would be that there weren't enough Hogan's and people are scalping. The same thing happened with the Amazon Hogan. When supply starts to dry people to desire these figures, but when they're available no one cares. Couldn't care less for another Hogan. All the Hogan's I want have bneen create in Ultimates or Elite form. If, and thats a big if, this gets the support needed. All you'll have is a $400 stage from a company that lost the Monday Night wars... Two more points, look at Jakks 1 of 5,000 RAW and Smackdown figures, or AEW ones... secondary market prices are very uinderwhelming. Also, Mattel is not shy about producing figures as time goes by. Why should I back this? You are kind of proving my point though - as you noted "secondary market prices are very underwhelming" on 1/5000 JAKKS stuff..... you clearly place more value on figures that are limited and command high secondary market prices - that matters to you.... Some of us were going to back this regardless of the figures attached - we want the stage. Limiting the Hogan to 5000 would have added value and enticed more people to get their orders in quickly.
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hiitsbrian
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Post by hiitsbrian on Apr 6, 2023 19:35:00 GMT -5
Do we know about how many new gen sets Ringside bought?
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hb2k4life
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Post by hb2k4life on Apr 6, 2023 19:37:22 GMT -5
I love when people prove my point exactly. The figures are 90% identical minus accessories that are easily found elsewhere, thank you for agreeing. Kind of mental he won’t just concede that you can easily achieve Hogan’s WCW look with that ultimate and a custom made shirt. How's that stage looking behind him though?
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Post by SteveHulk on Apr 6, 2023 19:42:41 GMT -5
Kind of mental he won’t just concede that you can easily achieve Hogan’s WCW look with that ultimate and a custom made shirt. How's that stage looking behind him though? ...a lot easier to display than Mattels... 🤭
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redrooster
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Post by redrooster on Apr 6, 2023 19:45:26 GMT -5
I want this to succeed so bad. Seeing this stage takes me back to being a kid, watching the Monday night wars, flipping the channel to see what was happening on both shows, playing WCW/nWo revenge with my cousins for hours! I’ve got a lot of love for WCW. I’m huge into figure photography too, so this stage would be the absolute icing on the cake for photos. I’ve got multiple Rey’s, Hogan’s and Warriors already…but for something like this, I don’t even care. Let’s get this stage funded at all tiers!!
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Post by Professor Sparlin on Apr 6, 2023 19:49:47 GMT -5
Couldn't care less for another Hogan. All the Hogan's I want have bneen create in Ultimates or Elite form. If, and thats a big if, this gets the support needed. All you'll have is a $400 stage from a company that lost the Monday Night wars... Two more points, look at Jakks 1 of 5,000 RAW and Smackdown figures, or AEW ones... secondary market prices are very uinderwhelming. Also, Mattel is not shy about producing figures as time goes by. Why should I back this? What does losing the Monday Night Wars have anything to do with this set? Some of us just genuinely like WCW. It's okay if you don't like WCW, or this set, but it's a fantastic piece. Depends, when those Amazon Hogan's were sold out some people were paying $160 and the outcry was over the roof. Some of us got our orders canceled. If you don't want to back this set, you don't have to. We're here because we're trying to get this thing funded, some people are on the fence and there are a lot of people who aren't even aware of this product. At this point, it is what it is for me. I've always wanted a Nitro stage, so I'm risking it. What does losing the Monday Night Wars have anything to do with this set? How does Mattel think that a WCW Nitro Stage would possibly be successful if the company itself is irrelivent. I'm saying this a a west coast kid the watch both Raw and Nitro and enjoyed both. Depends, when those Amazon Hogan's were sold out some people were paying $160. You are citing a couple of outlier in a data set you can't prove at this piont. However, I know extreme collectors with more disposible income than I have. So while it is possible, it wasn't an everyday occurance. Besides, are our Macho Man, Diesel, and Doink's making us rich? Some people are on the fence. Myself included, lol. There are a lot of people who aren't even aware of this product. It's not going to hurt most of them and they are not at our level of collecting and may never be, out of sight out of mind. We grow into this hobby or we grow out. Goodluck to all or the first week backer!
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Post by GreyHaze:Big Bad Booty Daddy on Apr 6, 2023 19:51:01 GMT -5
I agree, I've read posts by people (on social media) that are "waiting" to see what figures come with it. I just shake my head in disbelief, we need all the backers we can get TO GET the the figures. Hogan should have just gone to the first 5000 backers. It would have lit a fire under people if they wanted the rare figure and WCW Hogan would have been 1/5000 (making it extra "special" since so many on here are saying that it's not). That stage isn’t worth a $400 price tag… that stage with Hogan and Mysterio isn’t worth a $400 price tag… Hell, that stage with Hogan, Mysterio and DDP isn’t worth a $400 price tag (debatable). Now, Steiner added to it? We’re looking at it possibly being worth $400. I’d be pissed if I backed it, only to get the stage and Hogan/Mysterio in the end. I’m not putting a down payment on something and not knowing if I’ll be getting everything or not. Do I agree with you that for $400 it should come with all tiers? Yes, but at this point for some of us who really want this, we'll never get a shot at another Nitro stage. The $400 price tag for a stage and Mysterio/Hogan is really subjective. It depends on what you value this stage at and what it means to you.
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Post by Professor Sparlin on Apr 6, 2023 20:01:10 GMT -5
Couldn't care less for another Hogan. All the Hogan's I want have bneen create in Ultimates or Elite form. If, and thats a big if, this gets the support needed. All you'll have is a $400 stage from a company that lost the Monday Night wars... Two more points, look at Jakks 1 of 5,000 RAW and Smackdown figures, or AEW ones... secondary market prices are very uinderwhelming. Also, Mattel is not shy about producing figures as time goes by. Why should I back this? You are kind of proving my point though - as you noted "secondary market prices are very underwhelming" on 1/5000 JAKKS stuff..... you clearly place more value on figures that are limited and command high secondary market prices - that matters to you.... Some of us were going to back this regardless of the figures attached - we want the stage. Limiting the Hogan to 5000 would have added value and enticed more people to get their orders in quickly. You clearly place more value on figures that are limited and command high secondary market prices I've got near a thousand figures in my collect and 95% of them loose and doesn't command a high secondary market prise. Been in the collecting scene for quite some time. I don't care so much for the high secondary market prices, but I do pride myself on finding bargins to round out my collects. I backed the New Gen ring because I wanted it and the figures. I would love to say I backed the Nitro set, but as others stated Mattel and myself are too far apart on price. If this was something at retail stores, I'd have to wait for a deal or clearance to even feel good about purchasing it.
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Post by GreyHaze:Big Bad Booty Daddy on Apr 6, 2023 20:02:10 GMT -5
What does losing the Monday Night Wars have anything to do with this set? Some of us just genuinely like WCW. It's okay if you don't like WCW, or this set, but it's a fantastic piece. Depends, when those Amazon Hogan's were sold out some people were paying $160 and the outcry was over the roof. Some of us got our orders canceled. If you don't want to back this set, you don't have to. We're here because we're trying to get this thing funded, some people are on the fence and there are a lot of people who aren't even aware of this product. At this point, it is what it is for me. I've always wanted a Nitro stage, so I'm risking it. What does losing the Monday Night Wars have anything to do with this set? How does Mattel think that a WCW Nitro Stage would possibly be successful if the company itself is irrelivent. I'm saying this a a west coast kid the watch both Raw and Nitro and enjoyed both. Depends, when those Amazon Hogan's were sold out some people were paying $160. You are citing a couple of outlier in a data set you can't prove at this piont. However, I know extreme collectors with more disposible income than I have. So while it is possible, it wasn't an everyday occurance. Besides, are our Macho Man, Diesel, and Doink's making us rich? Some people are on the fence. Myself included, lol. There are a lot of people who aren't even aware of this product. It's not going to hurt most of them and they are not at our level of collecting and may never be, out of sight out of mind. We grow into this hobby or we grow out. Goodluck to all or the first week backer! How? Were you not there when Mattel previewed this thing? The reactions were out the roof. People left and right were clamoring for it. Whether the company is irrelevant or not, it's still making WWE money. If that's the case we shouldn't have gotten an nWo Hogan, a Sting, Hall, Nash, Bischoff etc.. All requests that people WANTED... I can't prove that people weren't paying absurd prices? Dude, just go back to the threads of people clamoring for that simple Amazon Hogan. Go to completed Ebay listings. Hogan isn't the only figure going for good money, the first sets of UEs like Shawn, Ultimate Warrior, The Rock. It might not even be people with disposable income, but hardcore collectors who missed out. I'm confused why you're on the fence. You don't care for a WCW product, but if you want to fund it to help the cause that's cool. It's not about hurting them. It's the fact that the people who don't know about this funding could be potential backers. We need people to back this thing to unlock the figures. If people are holding back that starts to add up. 1000 people who are holding back for the last minute, are 1000 backers.
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Post by Back to the Codyverse on Apr 6, 2023 20:07:49 GMT -5
Backers still increasing. It’s a long shot but the next 24 hours should make for a fun thread.
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Post by micco on Apr 6, 2023 20:10:42 GMT -5
The head and accessories account for way more than 10% I can point to 3 elites Seth Rollins figures where all that’s different is the paint deco of the tights. You think those figures are 90% different? Then you know nothing about figures. Regardless though - basically adding a different shirt and a new head to an easily available UE figure isn't really much of an incentive, when you're trying to get/attract early backers. It’s literally just being thrown in for free. That’s less reason to expect a figure with a bunch of newly molded parts.
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Post by SteveHulk on Apr 6, 2023 20:18:05 GMT -5
Regardless though - basically adding a different shirt and a new head to an easily available UE figure isn't really much of an incentive, when you're trying to get/attract early backers. It’s literally just being thrown in for free. That’s less reason to expect a figure with a bunch of newly molded parts. It is literally being included as an incentive to make people back the set early.
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kanepilk
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Post by kanepilk on Apr 6, 2023 20:20:26 GMT -5
...this stage isn't coming out for a year, whether it was WCW or WWF. By that point the Nitro ring will be out, so your point doesn't make any sense. Not really because my point is the Nitro ring has yet to come out. It could easily be vapor ware. The Attitude Era ring is available right now and as such could more easily sway someone to purchase a stage for it. Like “I got the ring, but it would be much cooler if I had the stage to go with it”. They would be more inclined to support it as it’s an extension of an already existing product rather than one that has yet to be out and could be cancelled in the future. Let me put it to you in more simpler terms. Why would I want to back a game for a PlayStation 6 when it is years away when I could back a game being made for the PlayStation 5 which is already out?
That, and that if they do the RAW stage next year, the ring will likely be sold out by then anyway. It made zero sense to give the Nitro stage priority over the RAW stage. I really can't make sense of it.
Then just after announcing the Nitro Stage, they show us the RAW stage, so anyone that would prefer RAW, but was gonna back Nitro, now seen that a RAW stage is coming, had the potential to realise they couldn't display both (huge space needed) and would not back the Nitro stage, and wait it out for the RAW one.
All the secrecy around this has led to some ill-informed logic on the part of Mattel, I believe.
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