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Post by thefeez23 on Apr 12, 2023 10:24:12 GMT -5
Totally agree, they made this crappy bed, they should have to lie in it. Take the L and make better decisions next time. And fire whoever had the hubris to think this thing would ever hit 11k. If this teaches us anything, it’s to never back any of their crowdfunds right away, because they WILL sweeten the pot. They’re 2-2. And this is why they shouldn’t add Steiner. Let this live or die based on what was originally presented, otherwise people will continue to believe they can hold out and get more. Or offer Steiner and never do another crowdfund campaign again.
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Post by MKSavage on Apr 12, 2023 10:24:45 GMT -5
Exactly what I said - behavioural science. People will be conditioned to expect more, better etc. Can’t guarantee it but it’s what I’d expect to see people say / do I think they can easily combat this. For their next crowdfund, have an ace in the back pocket and don’t announce it. Hold that announcement for in case the crowdfund needs an extra “push” to get over the hump. If it does, show it when necessary and if not, it can be a “thanks for all who have funded the project so far, as a reward for this being such a massive success we will be adding into the already back campaign this figure”. it’s a good look on them if it funds without the announcement of an addition. If not, they’ve got that card in their back pocket to sweeten the deal a bit more. ![](https://media.giphy.com/media/6UFgdU9hirj1pAOJyN/giphy.gif)
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Post by Warriah' on Apr 12, 2023 10:28:45 GMT -5
Site is back up with no changes
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Post by Biff Slamkovich™ on Apr 12, 2023 10:32:45 GMT -5
While we are waiting on updates, anyone interested in a Disciple figure down the line? Would he have worked for anyone as one of the tiers? Took me the longest time to realize The Disciple was Beefcake when I was younger. His figure could pad out the nWo lineup and as far as I know he still has a Legends deal. Yeah when I was a kid and learned that he was Beefcake I thought that was so cool. Like just being in the nWo could turn anyone evil. I did ask Steve in the Q&A thread a few months ago if Disciple was possible and he replied that it was someone he'd like to see eventually. He would be perfect for the MNW line.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2023 10:35:34 GMT -5
Just tried again and the page no longer loads. Hopefully they’re fixing the price 😂 Nope it’s back and everything’s the same lol
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Post by Action Figure Attack on Apr 12, 2023 10:36:20 GMT -5
Totally agree, they made this crappy bed, they should have to lie in it. Take the L and make better decisions next time. And fire whoever had the hubris to think this thing would ever hit 11k. And this is why they shouldn’t add Steiner. Let this live or die based on what was originally presented, otherwise people will continue to believe they can hold out and get more. Or offer Steiner and never do another crowdfund campaign again. I added the 11K tier to this campaign to fulfill the requests of many of you from the last campaign for more tiers after everything was unlocked. Do higher tiers get more unlikely? Of course. But they’re there for something to shoot for. Sorry to break it to you but I have no plans on going anywhere.
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Post by NoseBleedcollectibles on Apr 12, 2023 10:37:26 GMT -5
Totally agree, they made this crappy bed, they should have to lie in it. Take the L and make better decisions next time. And fire whoever had the hubris to think this thing would ever hit 11k. I added the 11K tier to this campaign to fulfill the requests of many of you from the last campaign for more tiers after everything was unlocked. Do higher tiers get more unlikely? Of course. But they’re there for something to shoot for. Sorry to break it to you but I have no plans on going anywhere. Cook Steve
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Post by Warriah' on Apr 12, 2023 10:38:57 GMT -5
Totally agree, they made this crappy bed, they should have to lie in it. Take the L and make better decisions next time. And fire whoever had the hubris to think this thing would ever hit 11k. I added the 11K tier to this campaign to fulfill the requests of many of you from the last campaign for more tiers after everything was unlocked. Do higher tiers get more unlikely? Of course. But they’re there for something to shoot for. Sorry to break it to you but I have no plans on going anywhere. Higher tiers are definitely a good idea and it’s nice to have something to shoot for (after Doink at 7kthe New Gen numbers going up didn’t really matter to anyone who backed). It’s slightly disheartening when the 11k fig is the one you’re most interested in though!
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Post by Crossfit Jesus on Apr 12, 2023 10:39:35 GMT -5
Y’all gotta relax. W figs is never satisfied
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Post by Biff Slamkovich™ on Apr 12, 2023 10:41:08 GMT -5
Totally agree, they made this crappy bed, they should have to lie in it. Take the L and make better decisions next time. And fire whoever had the hubris to think this thing would ever hit 11k. This is like the exact definition of an internet troll in its purest form.
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Post by Action Figure Attack on Apr 12, 2023 10:46:20 GMT -5
And this is why they shouldn’t add Steiner. Let this live or die based on what was originally presented, otherwise people will continue to believe they can hold out and get more. Or offer Steiner and never do another crowdfund campaign again. Exactly what I said - behavioural science. People will be conditioned to expect more, better etc. Can’t guarantee it but it’s what I’d expect to see people say / do It is a slippery slope for sure. But it’s a crowdfund which make’s it more of an entrepreneurial execution and that gives some flexibility to make reasonable pivots. You may not often see that flexibility from larger companies but I’ve seen it plenty of times with a smaller kickstarters/crowdfunds. We totally could have just rode this out as is but then what? Endanger future executions like this when we’re all (both consumer and the companies) still in a learning and education phase? It’d be awful to cut the legs out from under projects of this type before we even scratched the surface. This potential pivot is very reasonable. It really wouldn’t add anything that wasn’t already potentially there and has a great upside as it makes people happy and seemingly more willing to take the plunge. Hopefully I can officially confirm things soon. Appreciate all those looking at this optimistically.
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Post by GreyHaze:Big Bad Booty Daddy on Apr 12, 2023 10:48:00 GMT -5
Steve is right. People asked for the damn Nitro stage, we got it. They asked for all those damn red and yellow trunks Hogan we got it. They kept asking for the big gold, we got it in this crowdfund. They asked for the removable singlet Mr.Perfect with the rubber gunk, we got it. They asked for Angle with a cloth singlet, we got it. People stop asking for stuff that the rest of us don't want. If you do want it and ask for it, then be held accountable for it. A lot of us wanted different variations of the items I've listed and because of the noise... we get exactly the opposite. *Cough* Rubber gunk Mr.Perfect and cloth singlet Kurt.
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Post by Deep Figure Value on Apr 12, 2023 10:51:18 GMT -5
My favorite part of Steve coming in with a potentially game-changing alteration to the plan is the proof positive that some people just exist here to be the unflinching contrarian ![8D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/insane.png)
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Apr 12, 2023 10:52:56 GMT -5
Totally agree, they made this crappy bed, they should have to lie in it. Take the L and make better decisions next time. And fire whoever had the hubris to think this thing would ever hit 11k. And this is why they shouldn’t add Steiner. Let this live or die based on what was originally presented, otherwise people will continue to believe they can hold out and get more. Or offer Steiner and never do another crowdfund campaign again. Looks like they are readjusting some stuff to better help it reach the production tier which is a good thing. And we're talking about firing people? These are the same people who are the only reason why this project even exists. People need to understand that this is only the second WWE crowdfund under Mattel. It's not like they have some long track record when it comes to presale tiers for expensive pro wrestling toys. I'm not even getting this one, but want to see it fund for those who do and think it's great that they are taking the feedback to better help assure this Nitro set becomes a reality.
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Post by AxelSmackdown on Apr 12, 2023 10:54:30 GMT -5
Exactly what I said - behavioural science. People will be conditioned to expect more, better etc. Can’t guarantee it but it’s what I’d expect to see people say / do It is a slippery slope for sure. But it’s a crowdfund which make’s it more of an entrepreneurial execution and that gives some flexibility to make reasonable pivots. You may not often see that flexibility from larger companies but I’ve seen it plenty of times with a smaller kickstarters/crowdfunds. We totally could have just rode this out as is but then what? Endanger future executions like this when we’re all (both consumer and the companies) still in a learning and education phase? It’d be awful to cut the legs out from under projects of this type before we even scratched the surface. This potential pivot is very reasonable. It really wouldn’t add anything that wasn’t already potentially there and has a great upside as it makes people happy and seemingly more willing to take the plunge. Hopefully I can officially confirm things soon. Appreciate all those looking at this optimistically. we appreciate you guys trying to change things up in order to try to get it backed like someone previously said, we want it backed just as much as Mattel does. well, some of us do anyway lol. I really hope whatever you guys can change will make this thing get fully backed and everything unlocked, hopefully including Hogan as well.
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Post by cldbld on Apr 12, 2023 10:54:46 GMT -5
Totally agree, they made this crappy bed, they should have to lie in it. Take the L and make better decisions next time. And fire whoever had the hubris to think this thing would ever hit 11k. I added the 11K tier to this campaign to fulfill the requests of many of you from the last campaign for more tiers after everything was unlocked. Do higher tiers get more unlikely? Of course. But they’re there for something to shoot for. Sorry to break it to you but I have no plans on going anywhere. ![](https://i.postimg.cc/5ydxxy2M/method-man-redman.gif)
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Post by irishstrife on Apr 12, 2023 10:56:20 GMT -5
Exactly what I said - behavioural science. People will be conditioned to expect more, better etc. Can’t guarantee it but it’s what I’d expect to see people say / do It is a slippery slope for sure. But it’s a crowdfund which make’s it more of an entrepreneurial execution and that gives some flexibility to make reasonable pivots. You may not often see that flexibility from larger companies but I’ve seen it plenty of times with a smaller kickstarters/crowdfunds. We totally could have just rode this out as is but then what? Endanger future executions like this when we’re all (both consumer and the companies) still in a learning and education phase? It’d be awful to cut the legs out from under projects of this type before we even scratched the surface. This potential pivot is very reasonable. It really wouldn’t add anything that wasn’t already potentially there and has a great upside as it makes people happy and seemingly more willing to take the plunge. Hopefully I can officially confirm things soon. Appreciate all those looking at this optimistically. Thank you Steve. We know you're fighting for this stage and trying to please a lot of people at once. I backed this stage and I'm getting hopeful again. Is there any chance that the international issues get sorted out to be the same as the New Gen arena? I know that probably involves a lot of charge adjustment for previous orders so it's a big ask, but any update that you can provide would be greatly appreciatory. Again, thank you for working hard on this stage.
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Post by Generic Theme on Apr 12, 2023 10:58:19 GMT -5
Exactly what I said - behavioural science. People will be conditioned to expect more, better etc. Can’t guarantee it but it’s what I’d expect to see people say / do It is a slippery slope for sure. But it’s a crowdfund which make’s it more of an entrepreneurial execution and that gives some flexibility to make reasonable pivots. You may not often see that flexibility from larger companies but I’ve seen it plenty of times with a smaller kickstarters/crowdfunds. We totally could have just rode this out as is but then what? Endanger future executions like this when we’re all (both consumer and the companies) still in a learning and education phase? It’d be awful to cut the legs out from under projects of this type before we even scratched the surface. This potential pivot is very reasonable. It really wouldn’t add anything that wasn’t already potentially there and has a great upside as it makes people happy and seemingly more willing to take the plunge. Hopefully I can officially confirm things soon. Appreciate all those looking at this optimistically. I was just looking at the New Gen arena while thinking about how big of a bummer it would have been if that hadn't been backed, which happened largely on the pivot to including the Savage. Really appreciate the flexibility on projects like this and hoping that this stage becomes a reality and anchor in our collections just like the New Gen arena before it.
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Post by newgenandy on Apr 12, 2023 11:01:16 GMT -5
Thing with crowdfunding is it’s in its infancy as far as all mediums are concerned, including the 60year history of action figures.
Some will see 11k top tier and see anything less as failure Others will see it as a goal to strive for
Had it been set at 7k some people would’ve looked at it as being too unoptimistic
Some will see sweetening the pot as setting a worrying president while others will see it as a fair compromise to get it over the line
Really we’re in the realm of social experimenting (within the collector world) when it comes to crowdfunding because despite some successes and failures there’s no real roadmap to success.
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Post by stc13 on Apr 12, 2023 11:02:34 GMT -5
These projects aren't for everyone - regardless of the line or company. Not everybody can afford or have space for a stage, or a tank, or 3ft tall figures.
Huge props to Steve and the Mattel folks for even considering a pivot here. I've been vocal from the beginning that this set is a tremendous value and was well structured as it was released. But if there are changes that can be made to make this and future projects possible, I'm all for it.
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