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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Apr 12, 2023 11:05:35 GMT -5
My favorite part of Steve coming in with a potentially game-changing alteration to the plan is the proof positive that some people just exist here to be the unflinching contrarian ![8D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/insane.png) I didn't believe it at first, but you are absolutely right that there does seem to be people who for some bizarre reason want to see this thing fail. You got some talking about "Mattel setting a bad precedent" for future projects. As a consumer, why the hell do you care what they do? If Mattel - the toy company worth billions of dollars - is okay pivoting and adjusting these projects to help ensure they get funded then that is all that matters. "You made your bed now lie in it." Are these types for real?
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Post by AxelSmackdown on Apr 12, 2023 11:06:11 GMT -5
well if it gets funded and I keep my order then I’ll have some exclusive crap
if I back out then my credit card will be paid down $300+ extra
win win either way
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Post by newgenandy on Apr 12, 2023 11:09:03 GMT -5
My favorite part of Steve coming in with a potentially game-changing alteration to the plan is the proof positive that some people just exist here to be the unflinching contrarian ![8D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/insane.png) I didn't believe it at first, but you are absolutely right that there does seem to be people who for some bizarre reason want to see this thing fail. You got some talking about "Mattel setting a bad precedent" for future projects. As a consumer, why the hell do you care what they do? If Mattel - the toy company worth billions of dollars - is okay pivoting and adjusting these projects to help ensure they get funded then that is all that matters. "You made your bed now lie in it." Are these types for real? I said from day 1 I want this to succeed and still do That being said do you really think people won’t, if we see another crowdfund hold out for “the pivot” again? Steve himself even said “it’s a slippery slope”. Dealing with people you learn if you do for one person other expect it, and if you change something once then twice people roll expect it a third time. People have already commented on this thread as much. That said let me reiterate I want this to reach the full 11k and smash it for everyone but it’s still ok to have concerns, it doesn’t all have to be Raindrops on roses and whiskers on kittens, Bright copper kettles and warm woolen mittens. Concerns don’t = negativity and wanting failure
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2023 11:13:43 GMT -5
Totally agree, they made this crappy bed, they should have to lie in it. Take the L and make better decisions next time. And fire whoever had the hubris to think this thing would ever hit 11k. I added the 11K tier to this campaign to fulfill the requests of many of you from the last campaign for more tiers after everything was unlocked. Do higher tiers get more unlikely? Of course. But they’re there for something to shoot for. Sorry to break it to you but I have no plans on going anywhere. Maybe go for a figure in the 11k tier that’s not a 700th time in the line. Actually this would’ve been much higher than 2013 backers by now if the majority of the tiers weren’t half assed re-releases or the same boring old wrestlers who have oversaturated the inventory
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Post by Action Figure Attack on Apr 12, 2023 11:16:23 GMT -5
I added the 11K tier to this campaign to fulfill the requests of many of you from the last campaign for more tiers after everything was unlocked. Do higher tiers get more unlikely? Of course. But they’re there for something to shoot for. Sorry to break it to you but I have no plans on going anywhere. Maybe go for a figure in the 11k tier that’s not a 700th time in the line. Actually this would’ve been much higher than 2013 backers by now if the majority of the tiers weren’t half assed re-releases or the same boring old wrestlers who have oversaturated the inventory Thank you for your insights.
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Post by Biff Slamkovich™ on Apr 12, 2023 11:19:59 GMT -5
Maybe go for a figure in the 11k tier that’s not a 700th time in the line. Actually this would’ve been much higher than 2013 backers by now if the majority of the tiers weren’t half assed re-releases or the same boring old wrestlers who have oversaturated the inventory Thank you for your insights. You're a brave dude, Steve. We appreciate you.
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Post by kutzheels on Apr 12, 2023 11:22:57 GMT -5
Thing with crowdfunding is it’s in its infancy as far as all mediums are concerned, including the 60year history of action figures. Some will see 11k top tier and see anything less as failure Others will see it as a goal to strive for Had it been set at 7k some people would’ve looked at it as being too unoptimistic Some will see sweetening the pot as setting a worrying president while others will see it as a fair compromise to get it over the line Really we’re in the realm of social experimenting (within the collector world) when it comes to crowdfunding because despite some successes and failures there’s no real roadmap to success. Mattel has been crowdfunding for over 10 years now. The MOTUC Castle Grayskull in 2012 was a crowdfund.
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Apr 12, 2023 11:28:05 GMT -5
Thing with crowdfunding is it’s in its infancy as far as all mediums are concerned, including the 60year history of action figures. Some will see 11k top tier and see anything less as failure Others will see it as a goal to strive for Had it been set at 7k some people would’ve looked at it as being too unoptimistic Some will see sweetening the pot as setting a worrying president while others will see it as a fair compromise to get it over the line Really we’re in the realm of social experimenting (within the collector world) when it comes to crowdfunding because despite some successes and failures there’s no real roadmap to success. Mattel has been crowdfunding for over 10 years now. The MOTUC Castle Grayskull in 2012 was a crowdfund. Not the same team. Matty Collector was sort of an offshoot where Mattel kinda let them do their own thing. And MOTU is a different type of collector than WWE. They didn’t cry saying it was too expensive or there weren’t any figures packed with it.
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Post by wwejunior on Apr 12, 2023 11:28:38 GMT -5
Exactly what I said - behavioural science. People will be conditioned to expect more, better etc. Can’t guarantee it but it’s what I’d expect to see people say / do It is a slippery slope for sure. But it’s a crowdfund which make’s it more of an entrepreneurial execution and that gives some flexibility to make reasonable pivots. You may not often see that flexibility from larger companies but I’ve seen it plenty of times with a smaller kickstarters/crowdfunds. We totally could have just rode this out as is but then what? Endanger future executions like this when we’re all (both consumer and the companies) still in a learning and education phase? It’d be awful to cut the legs out from under projects of this type before we even scratched the surface. This potential pivot is very reasonable. It really wouldn’t add anything that wasn’t already potentially there and has a great upside as it makes people happy and seemingly more willing to take the plunge. Hopefully I can officially confirm things soon. Appreciate all those looking at this optimistically. Well done on listening and trying to address concerns it is appreciated Steve. Can you confirm though whether the instalment plans OR removal of customs fee upfront payment is being looked at? Its literally the only thing stopping me... its offered to the US, should be offered elsewhere. Thanks again.
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Post by deskjet on Apr 12, 2023 11:29:18 GMT -5
I think crowdfunds are set up to give some wiggle room. It’s a direct data feedback to the company and creates interest in the fan base. Look no further than the next gen or even yesterday with the stage. If you can’t get hyped about the potentials available and the ability to actually interact with the creators to help bring a project to life then I don’t know what else to tell ya. Maybe make mud pies or something lol.
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Post by hbkrules on Apr 12, 2023 11:31:13 GMT -5
Thanks for your hard work on this Steve.
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Post by theman on Apr 12, 2023 11:31:21 GMT -5
Maybe go for a figure in the 11k tier that’s not a 700th time in the line. Actually this would’ve been much higher than 2013 backers by now if the majority of the tiers weren’t half assed re-releases or the same boring old wrestlers who have oversaturated the inventory Thank you for your insights. Steve I have no doubt you and Bill ignore those kind of people. If you guys don't release another figure ever again we could never repay you guys for ALL the incredible stuff you guys have given us. THANK YOU THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!!!!!!! P.S. We need more Hulks and Warriors, especially a certain 1991 Pyhoton Power Red Bandanna, No Tear Yellow Hulk Rules Shirt with the WWE Winged Eagle around his waist Elite MOC BROTHER!! Thanks Steve for working so hard and caring so much.
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Post by Action Figure Attack on Apr 12, 2023 11:31:45 GMT -5
Thing with crowdfunding is it’s in its infancy as far as all mediums are concerned, including the 60year history of action figures. Some will see 11k top tier and see anything less as failure Others will see it as a goal to strive for Had it been set at 7k some people would’ve looked at it as being too unoptimistic Some will see sweetening the pot as setting a worrying president while others will see it as a fair compromise to get it over the line Really we’re in the realm of social experimenting (within the collector world) when it comes to crowdfunding because despite some successes and failures there’s no real roadmap to success. Mattel has been crowdfunding for over 10 years now. The MOTUC Castle Grayskull in 2012 was a crowdfund. True but that was a completely different era, different leadership at the companies, and a new collector and economical landscape. Castle Grayskull was a hybrid crowdfund/made to order model similar to what Super7 still does. I was and am still fond of that method personally but the expectations seems to have shifted to more traditional crowdfunding executions.
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Post by newgenandy on Apr 12, 2023 11:32:15 GMT -5
Mattel has been crowdfunding for over 10 years now. The MOTUC Castle Grayskull in 2012 was a crowdfund. Not the same team. Matty Collector was sort of an offshoot where Mattel kinda let them do their own thing. And MOTU is a different type of collector than WWE. They didn’t cry saying it was too expensive or there weren’t any figures packed with it. Also even if you did count that then 10 years is still young vs the previous 50 years of a figures made, it’s on shelves, people buy it. That’s 2.5 to 3 generations of toy buyers who are used to a certain model
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2023 11:32:44 GMT -5
Maybe go for a figure in the 11k tier that’s not a 700th time in the line. Actually this would’ve been much higher than 2013 backers by now if the majority of the tiers weren’t half assed re-releases or the same boring old wrestlers who have oversaturated the inventory Thank you for your insights. Just being honest man. I want this to succeed but 400 dollars for a stage and 4 lacklustre figures out of 5 isn’t the best approach for that. DDP: why are we getting the same version that’s been released for almost a decade? Ultimate figures are supposed to be the definitive version of the wrestlers, the DDP that was featured on the MNW wore jeans. Hulk Hogan: why not a terminator nWo Hogan with the 3 ninjas moustache. Also not to mention that the red and yellow version of him didn’t exist during the MNW. Rey Mysterio: again, not an accurate version of the character to fit the period of the theme. Rey wore this attire mostly in ECW and for a very short period in WCW way before the MNW. Warrior: Why? This choice is as random as the Warrior’s stint in the company. Was this an employee’s pet project or something? Lastly, the lack of accessories. These Ultimate figures come with almost the same amount of of accessories as elites. Look at Macho Man from last year and compare what he comes with to any of the figures from this year. Again, most of us want this to succeed but it’s hard to back up a project that seems like a half hearted attempt for a premium price tag.
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Post by Jim Cornette’s Wendy’s Order🍔 on Apr 12, 2023 11:35:13 GMT -5
Maybe go for a figure in the 11k tier that’s not a 700th time in the line. Actually this would’ve been much higher than 2013 backers by now if the majority of the tiers weren’t half assed re-releases or the same boring old wrestlers who have oversaturated the inventory Thank you for your insights. You’re the man Steve. Don’t listen to some of these people. Can’t please them all. Some around here will never be pleased no matter what you do, but I’m sure you know that. Thanks for all you do for the figure community!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2023 11:36:59 GMT -5
Thank you for your insights. You’re the man Steve. Don’t listen to some of these people. Can’t please them all. Some around here will never be pleased no matter what you do, but I’m sure you know that. Thanks for all you do for the figure community! Yeah, just listen to the yes men and thank you friends. Don’t listen to any genuine concerns. Because that proved to be helpful.
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Post by newgenandy on Apr 12, 2023 11:40:03 GMT -5
It is a slippery slope for sure. But it’s a crowdfund which make’s it more of an entrepreneurial execution and that gives some flexibility to make reasonable pivots. You may not often see that flexibility from larger companies but I’ve seen it plenty of times with a smaller kickstarters/crowdfunds. We totally could have just rode this out as is but then what? Endanger future executions like this when we’re all (both consumer and the companies) still in a learning and education phase? It’d be awful to cut the legs out from under projects of this type before we even scratched the surface. This potential pivot is very reasonable. It really wouldn’t add anything that wasn’t already potentially there and has a great upside as it makes people happy and seemingly more willing to take the plunge. Hopefully I can officially confirm things soon. Appreciate all those looking at this optimistically. Well done on listening and trying to address concerns it is appreciated Steve. Can you confirm though whether the instalment plans OR removal of customs fee upfront payment is being looked at? Its literally the only thing stopping me... its offered to the US, should be offered elsewhere. Thanks again. This is the thing: Steve’s far more open, honest and accessible in a public forum / social media than the marketing manager for a multi national market leader needs to be. If someone gives a fair honest concern he will often comment, that shouldn’t be taken for granted. I’m usually very positive towards mattel and on the odd time I do have concerns I’ve found he’s addressed them fairly and respectfully. It’s possible to have differing views and opinions but stay respectful. He also has untold patience as the amount of “will we see x person” in the Q&A thread shows 👍
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Post by kutzheels on Apr 12, 2023 11:41:23 GMT -5
Mattel has been crowdfunding for over 10 years now. The MOTUC Castle Grayskull in 2012 was a crowdfund. Not the same team. Matty Collector was sort of an offshoot where Mattel kinda let them do their own thing. And MOTU is a different type of collector than WWE. They didn’t cry saying it was too expensive or there weren’t any figures packed with it. Not the same team but still Mattel. Matty Collector as an offshoot was no different than Mattel Creations. I wasn’t talking about price or figures or collectors (or teams) only that Mattel has been doing crowdfunds for over 10 years.
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Post by mdj12784 on Apr 12, 2023 11:44:08 GMT -5
Even if it doesn’t reach the needed numbers, we should eventually get those figures, right? Would be a waste of money if not…
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