mrh
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Post by mrh on Apr 15, 2023 23:52:07 GMT -5
I think we need to go where the WCW fish are swimming. We need to all start tagging WCW fan social media accounts with the crowdfunding page in hopes they repost to their followers. I only have Twitter so hoping others will follow suit and also hit up other social media pages
Here's why I question that. This thing is $400 dollars. If someone isn't a figure collector, I can't see them dropping that kind of money. And if someone really would spend $400 on a playset and toys, wouldn't they already be aware of it?
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Post by Jim Cornette’s Wendy’s Order🍔 on Apr 16, 2023 0:00:53 GMT -5
Steve, piggybacking off of those pasta mania hogan issue. Was the approval issue something that will completely prevent the pasta hogan from ever being done in the future? Or is there still the opportunity to try it again in the future? Thanks again Steve for all the time you put in here. I’ll totally try again from a different angle. We were simply out of time this go around. Fantastic news, Steve! Was really wanting that Hogan and even more now so knowing this! Hope it’ll be able to be released down the road. Fingers crossed we can unlock Hogan!
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Post by zen411 on Apr 16, 2023 1:36:59 GMT -5
Was the choice to do red and yellow over Hollywood a deco reason to keep prices lower since so much is jammed into this? It was supposed to be based on PastaMania with chef hat, fork with spaghetti dangling, and plate of pasta, plus everything else that’s still potentially included. If you take a look at the renders, the new head sculpt on that Hulk exactly matches the famous Pastamania image. Unfortunately, approvals fell thorough at the last minute and we had to move with what we had. No time to pivot in a bigger way. Some unfortunate timing. Is there a render of the Pastamania Hogan figure or can that not be shown without permission? Would love to see that and crossing fingers it happens one day. Any other options for the early backer figure that were discussed you could share?
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Post by WCWThunderRosa on Apr 16, 2023 2:58:43 GMT -5
I can’t believe they took away Hogan’s side bread, DUDE 😭😭😭
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Post by Old Zeke on Apr 16, 2023 3:58:22 GMT -5
Pastamania Hogan would've been awesome - I'm hopeful we'll still get it someday though.
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Post by jumpinjefffarmer on Apr 16, 2023 4:17:32 GMT -5
Pasta mania hogan? The only people who would find that acceptable as an ultimate edition figure are the handful of people staying on this sinking crowdfund. Horrific choice for hogan. Literally hundreds of more credible offers.
The wcw fan base isn't here any more. Time to get back to making things for the company you create for. Wwe.
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Post by PJ on Apr 16, 2023 4:27:55 GMT -5
There should at the very least be a payment plan option for international backers. while I’m not an international customer I do feel like that should be an option for international customers as well.
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Post by kanepilk on Apr 16, 2023 5:34:09 GMT -5
Pasta mania hogan? The only people who would find that acceptable as an ultimate edition figure are the handful of people staying on this sinking crowdfund. Horrific choice for hogan. Literally hundreds of more credible offers. The wcw fan base isn't here any more. Time to get back to making things for the company you create for. Wwe. It's exactly the kinda niche version of Hogan that belongs in a crowdfund aimed at the regular collectors that already have multiple Hogan's (and something that would likely not do well at retail).
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Post by kanepilk on Apr 16, 2023 5:46:03 GMT -5
...just pointing out that the audience/collector-base for the stage is probably much less than that of the the New Gen set (and things WWE based). This era, and WCW specifically, does have a very healthy potential consumer base. It really looks like the price has been understandably the most difficult thing for most to swallow.
I'd argue the use of the word "understandably". I don't think it's that excessive, depending how you look at it. I know you can't bundle all 5 figs in and say "you get this if you back it" and there's an element of gambling to hope that you get the extra figures, but nonetheless, the value for money absolutely is there with all figures included (works out about €500 (Euro) to Ireland and I'd back if it had all 5 figures), but i think the issue is people have the same mentality as me now - that the set is somehow incomplete or lacking in value, if any of the 5 are missing.
I know it may be a mental gymnastics thing, if the stage was unveiled with just two figures to begin with, and no mention of tiers or such, would people perhaps feel differently about it? Hard to tell, but I do think the addition/removal of Hogan/Warrior/DDP does make a big impact on people's decision to back. If I knew I was getting all 5, I'd back it. I appreciate that doesn't help though as you've already said that would be financial suicide on this set, and so it becomes a redundant opinion, but €500 to Ireland isn't as excessive as it may seem (assuming all included).
However, an issue you also face, is that you've already announced that there's a Monday Night Wars line coming, and it's exclusive to the US. That makes it even more of a bitter pill as, to give you an example, I just bought a Ruthless Aggression Nash, and to get him in my hand cost me €72 ($80). I couldn't commit to a new series knowing I'll be paying that kinda money for a figure from it.
(I also am aware you've said that international stores can stock US exclusives, but none actually do so, so that's not really relevant).
But back to my main point, I don't really think the price point for this set is that bad, at all.
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Post by newgenandy on Apr 16, 2023 5:46:22 GMT -5
One of the best things this has illustrated is online is a microcosm of a niche and you can’t take either or any opinion as gospel or literal
“Wcw stage, take my money” - doesn’t mean put out a stage and I’ll buy it. It means if a stage is out out at s price which makes sense to me and I’m personally in a position where it’s possible snd I like the figure(s) bundled I’ll buy it
“Hogan sucks, no one wants it” means “I personally don’t like the hogan or need it” not that anyone doesn’t want it
“We need more wcw figures” doesn’t mean we necessarily want big playsets but more wcw figures. However it also doesn’t mean another section don’t want big play sets
As a “community” the ages, likes, collections, finances, home situation etc are vastly different. If this crowdfund has illustrated anything is that there’s a hundred different pockets who each want, can afford, dislike etc as many different things as the other groups like.
A lot of arguing and division around it is ‘worth’ it, it isn’t ‘worth it’ etc but ultimately the only person who can decide if it’s worth it for them (for them being key) is the individual themselves.
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tim
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Post by tim on Apr 16, 2023 6:12:29 GMT -5
This era, and WCW specifically, does have a very healthy potential consumer base. It really looks like the price has been understandably the most difficult thing for most to swallow.
I'd argue the use of the word "understandably". I don't think it's that excessive, depending how you look at it. I know you can't bundle all 5 figs in and say "you get this if you back it" and there's an element of gambling to hope that you get the extra figures, but nonetheless, the value for money absolutely is there with all figures included (works out about €500 (Euro) to Ireland and I'd back if it had all 5 figures), but i think the issue is people have the same mentality as me now - that the set is somehow incomplete or lacking in value, if any of the 5 are missing.
I know it may be a mental gymnastics thing, if the stage was unveiled with just two figures to begin with, and no mention of tiers or such, would people perhaps feel differently about it? Hard to tell, but I do think the addition/removal of Hogan/Warrior/DDP does make a big impact on people's decision to back. If I knew I was getting all 5, I'd back it. I appreciate that doesn't help though as you've already said that would be financial suicide on this set, and so it becomes a redundant opinion, but €500 to Ireland isn't as excessive as it may seem (assuming all included).
However, an issue you also face, is that you've already announced that there's a Monday Night Wars line coming, and it's exclusive to the US. That makes it even more of a bitter pill as, to give you an example, I just bought a Ruthless Aggression Nash, and to get him in my hand cost me €72 ($80). I couldn't commit to a new series knowing I'll be paying that kinda money for a figure from it.
(I also am aware you've said that international stores can stock US exclusives, but none actually do so, so that's not really relevant).
But back to my main point, I don't really think the price point for this set is that bad, at all.
I’ve thought about this, and since it made financial sense for Mattel to include all 5 figures only if it reached 11,000, couldn’t they technically at the beginning have said “you get the stage and all five figures, no tiers, but it has to reach 11,000 outright for any of it to get made”. I wonder how close we would be in this scenario.
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Post by The Everlasting Spirit © on Apr 16, 2023 6:30:28 GMT -5
What a move by Mattel thats what I’m talking about. Big Poppa Pump! I just backed another one and gonna back plenty more I know this is hittin 5k this is our only shot let’s do this! International brothers we need y’all to come through playas this is crunch time I know paying extra sucks big time but let’s not regret this thing… we need you guys. You want to cover the difference for us? If so I'll back it
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Post by ~*Young $ Money*~ on Apr 16, 2023 6:54:32 GMT -5
This era, and WCW specifically, does have a very healthy potential consumer base. It really looks like the price has been understandably the most difficult thing for most to swallow. I'd argue the use of the word "understandably". I don't think it's that excessive, depending how you look at it. I know you can't bundle all 5 figs in and say "you get this if you back it" and there's an element of gambling to hope that you get the extra figures, but nonetheless, the value for money absolutely is there with all figures included (works out about €500 (Euro) to Ireland and I'd back if it had all 5 figures), but i think the issue is people have the same mentality as me now - that the set is somehow incomplete or lacking in value, if any of the 5 are missing. I know it may be a mental gymnastics thing, if the stage was unveiled with just two figures to begin with, and no mention of tiers or such, would people perhaps feel differently about it? Hard to tell, but I do think the addition/removal of Hogan/Warrior/DDP does make a big impact on people's decision to back. If I knew I was getting all 5, I'd back it. I appreciate that doesn't help though as you've already said that would be financial suicide on this set, and so it becomes a redundant opinion, but €500 to Ireland isn't as excessive as it may seem (assuming all included). However, an issue you also face, is that you've already announced that there's a Monday Night Wars line coming, and it's exclusive to the US. That makes it even more of a bitter pill as, to give you an example, I just bought a Ruthless Aggression Nash, and to get him in my hand cost me €72 ($80). I couldn't commit to a new series knowing I'll be paying that kinda money for a figure from it. (I also am aware you've said that international stores can stock US exclusives, but none actually do so, so that's not really relevant). But back to my main point, I don't really think the price point for this set is that bad, at all.
I think the problem is we are in a different time. The fist one announced was during Covid I believe and people had more money to spend. People weren’t going out, a lot of people start collecting things again. Now it seems like the US is headed to a recession and there is a lot of uncertainty. The price of everything keeps rising except people’s paycheck so they are forced to cut things like this out first.
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Post by therockcollector on Apr 16, 2023 7:32:32 GMT -5
I think we need to go where the WCW fish are swimming. We need to all start tagging WCW fan social media accounts with the crowdfunding page in hopes they repost to their followers. I only have Twitter so hoping others will follow suit and also hit up other social media pages
Here's why I question that. This thing is $400 dollars. If someone isn't a figure collector, I can't see them dropping that kind of money. And if someone really would spend $400 on a playset and toys, wouldn't they already be aware of it?
Not necessarily. This board and community is heavy WWE, and most product put out by Mattel is WWE; so there is reason to think that a WCW collector may not be aware of it as intimately as we are. I collect sports cards and autographs as well and I find that I do better selling an autograph in a team specific forum then on an autograph page. For example, I had a few FSU Bobby Bowden autographed helmets a fewer years back (prior to his passing), and I had no luck selling them on autograph pages, but I joined FSU pages and was able to sell them all. So that's why I wonder if the same technique would work in this scenario. Fans of a specific Era and theme may not congregate here or be specifically action figure collectors, but would dish out $400 for a center piece item, they otherwise didn't know they wanted.
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Post by deskjet on Apr 16, 2023 8:40:10 GMT -5
Action Figure Attack was there ever any consideration to try and make the stage be able to convert to an nWo Nitro stage with one of the bonus tiers? I always felt that if you have multiple display options that would be incentive for someone to consider getting more than one. Or if this funds is it possible to make pieces to convert it? I think all is needed is the ability to take the WCW off the side platforms or platforms without the WCW, a couple banners, the big middle piece, and the piece on top of the entrance. Great ideas! I’d like to see these too. Also with the tress pieces would look be to see the Monday nitro announcer set maybe with an exclusive Bobby the brain Heenan
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Post by matgarza5 on Apr 16, 2023 8:40:22 GMT -5
What a move by Mattel thats what I’m talking about. Big Poppa Pump! I just backed another one and gonna back plenty more I know this is hittin 5k this is our only shot let’s do this! International brothers we need y’all to come through playas this is crunch time I know paying extra sucks big time but let’s not regret this thing… we need you guys. You want to cover the difference for us? If so I'll back it I won’t cover your difference but if you’d like you can purchase and send it to my address and I’ll ship it to you whatever it’s charged to ship and you worry about customs and all those extra taxes Mattel is charging you.
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matgarza5
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Post by matgarza5 on Apr 16, 2023 8:42:01 GMT -5
You want to cover the difference for us? If so I'll back it I won’t cover your difference but if you’d like you can purchase and send it to my address and I’ll ship it to you whatever it’s charged to ship and you worry about customs and all those extra taxes Mattel is charging you. I’d do this for any of our international brothas if needed. Anything to get this thing backed!
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Post by Warriah' on Apr 16, 2023 9:15:50 GMT -5
There’s way too much that doesn’t add up for the high cost for international buyers and it’s obviously not right.
-if shipping is 60 and baked into the cost, why are we paying an extra £9 when we check out? -why are we being charged taxes a year before we need to pay them? -even if we’re paying taxes now, it should amount to £462 in total. Why are we paying £38 more? -£462 would have been in line with the £470 price that was originally listed at. Before it jumped a mysterious £30.
They have not been transparent, they’re overcharging no matter what angle you look at it. That is why this has failed.
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Post by AttitudeLegendCollector on Apr 16, 2023 9:59:09 GMT -5
I actually think the Nitro set is more ‘exciting’ with all the lights and yeh WCW blocks etc. I want RAW because that my nostalgia hit but realistically, I don’t know how you can charge big cash for it as it’s very basic. It’s plastic and a bit of black material. The nitro set has so many interactive aspects. I actually think they went with the Nitro set because they weren’t in agreement on the scale of the RAW set. They’ve said recently it would be 6ft tall if in scale which is mental. So there. Gone with the nitro set whilst they work the RAW scale out. I’m big on scale but understand we can’t have a 6ft set…however, if it can’t be a good scale, I’d rather not have it. We went with Nitro because RAW first just wasn’t doable at a price point most of you would accept. It would have been considerably more expensive; so much so that the perceived greater popularity of the Attitude Era of RAW wouldn’t overcome the sticker shock. Nitro first allows us to create some potential shared tooling (stage platforms, lighting truss, etc) which would help drive down the overall cost and final price of the RAW stage if/when the time came. Appreciate that Steve, good to know. I hope the WCW set funds for everyone who wants it and it’s good for us all long term, we know that. It’s a fantastic set. Very interested to know how/why the RAW set would be so expensive, maybe there would be a lot more interactive aspects to it than I might expect, which would be great. I guess we’ll have to wait to see if this set funds first though before you could provide any info on what we could expect on a RAW stage.
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Post by elvisfan1 on Apr 16, 2023 10:01:45 GMT -5
I actually think the Nitro set is more ‘exciting’ with all the lights and yeh WCW blocks etc. I want RAW because that my nostalgia hit but realistically, I don’t know how you can charge big cash for it as it’s very basic. It’s plastic and a bit of black material. The nitro set has so many interactive aspects. I actually think they went with the Nitro set because they weren’t in agreement on the scale of the RAW set. They’ve said recently it would be 6ft tall if in scale which is mental. So there. Gone with the nitro set whilst they work the RAW scale out. I’m big on scale but understand we can’t have a 6ft set…however, if it can’t be a good scale, I’d rather not have it. We went with Nitro because RAW first just wasn’t doable at a price point most of you would accept. It would have been considerably more expensive; so much so that the perceived greater popularity of the Attitude Era of RAW wouldn’t overcome the sticker shock. Nitro first allows us to create some potential shared tooling (stage platforms, lighting truss, etc) which would help drive down the overall cost and final price of the RAW stage if/when the time came. I don't understand how the Raw stage would cost more when it's some truss, a bit of black curtain and a ramp. Obviously I can only make a judgment from pictures but Nitro looks way more complicated? Unless you were planning on including an LCD TitanTron that could connect to the Internet etc.
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