pitfallharry219
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Post by pitfallharry219 on Apr 17, 2023 1:20:44 GMT -5
Was listening to the latest Major Pod and they’ve been surprisingly not as invested in promoting this. They really pushed the New Gen crowdfund and like it or not, they have a big voice in the collecting community. I know they have a lot going on between the overpriced pro wrestling tees mystery crate and the amazing looking but sure to be over priced Big Rubber Guys. I just wish they would pitch in more. They're too busy shilling those awful bendies and telling you how you can pay money to interact with them.
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Post by hiitsbrian on Apr 17, 2023 1:49:32 GMT -5
We’ve gone from people being pissed about Matt’s tongue in cheek remark about how we all suck if this doesn’t get funded, to people complaining that he’s not pushing the project hard enough.
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Jonny Flashback
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Post by Jonny Flashback on Apr 17, 2023 2:34:12 GMT -5
I posted a calculation a few pages back, so here it is again: - Item cost: £325 - Shipping surcharge: £60, according to the Mattel FAQ. - Total before any VAT/customs: £385- 20% for VAT - 4% for Duties/Customs (https://www.trade-tariff.service.gov.uk/find_commodity) - VAT/Customs always includes the shipping cost (https://www.fedex.com/en-gb/shipping-channel/customs-clearance/duties-taxes.html) - Total VAT/Customs: £92All-in Total: £477. This is inarguable fact based on all available information. So at £509, it's overcharged by £32. I can’t see not backing this if it was another $40 here in the states. It’s sucks there aren’t the finance options for international buyers, but if you actually want the stage will you let £32 stop you getting a chance at it? It isn't a case of another $40 though. The difference between what USA pays to overseas is $225!! Would you back it if it cost you $625?? If this was $400 I'd see the value and back it. Maybe even multiple. (I backed 10 x New Gen for reference) But at £500 ($625) that's never going to happen. I flat out feel offended that I'm getting charged that much more for the same product than people in the States. Some people are struggling to see value at $400 so try $625 price tag on for moment and feel where our heads and wallets are at concerning backing the project. For the record, I think the stage is ing awesome
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Post by SteveHulk on Apr 17, 2023 3:38:10 GMT -5
I can’t see not backing this if it was another $40 here in the states. It’s sucks there aren’t the finance options for international buyers, but if you actually want the stage will you let £32 stop you getting a chance at it? It isn't a case of another $40 though. The difference between what USA pays to overseas is $225!! Would you back it if it cost you $625?? If this was $400 I'd see the value and back it. Maybe even multiple. (I backed 10 x New Gen for reference) But at £500 ($625) that's never going to happen. I flat out feel offended that I'm getting charged that much more for the same product than people in the States. Some people are struggling to see value at $400 so try $625 price tag on for moment and feel where our heads and wallets are at concerning backing the project. For the record, I think the stage is ing awesome ...you're forgetting the extra £9/£17 ($11/$21) shipping ON TOP of that, my friend...
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Post by muuk76 on Apr 17, 2023 3:59:12 GMT -5
If Mattel Creations want to hinder international orders then if/when this doesn't reach the minimum target, they only have themselves to look at in the mirror.
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Post by elvisfan1 on Apr 17, 2023 5:05:29 GMT -5
I posted a calculation a few pages back, so here it is again: - Item cost: £325 - Shipping surcharge: £60, according to the Mattel FAQ. - Total before any VAT/customs: £385- 20% for VAT - 4% for Duties/Customs (https://www.trade-tariff.service.gov.uk/find_commodity) - VAT/Customs always includes the shipping cost (https://www.fedex.com/en-gb/shipping-channel/customs-clearance/duties-taxes.html) - Total VAT/Customs: £92All-in Total: £477. This is inarguable fact based on all available information. So at £509, it's overcharged by £32. I can’t see not backing this if it was another $40 here in the states. It’s sucks there aren’t the finance options for international buyers, but if you actually want the stage will you let £32 stop you getting a chance at it? I believe the overcharge before shipping costs is £124, not £32 as the other guy seems convinced it is. Shipping, tax and customs is included in our price as per the site, so it's not just a case of £32. We're going to disagree on the breakdowns so there's not much point in arguing about it. But it's really not £32 difference between us and the US.
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Post by drankadranka on Apr 17, 2023 5:11:19 GMT -5
If Mattel Creations want to hinder international orders then if/when this doesn't reach the minimum target, they only have themselves to look at in the mirror. Look back in the thread where ppl have discussed having a purchasing partner in US and then shipping it internationally afterwards for presumably cheaper costs
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Post by SteveHulk on Apr 17, 2023 5:22:59 GMT -5
If Mattel Creations want to hinder international orders then if/when this doesn't reach the minimum target, they only have themselves to look at in the mirror. If only there was a really simple solution... Oh wait. There is. Just let us pay $400 (or the GBP equivalent), plus the £60 surcharge for shipping (and the £9 "official" shipping if they have to add that too). What's so difficult about that? No overcharge... no hidden-costs... no added "duty and tax included" craziness. They seem to be making things as awkward, complicated - and expensive - as possible...
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Post by ChuckPOORis55 Cody Gang 4 Lyfe on Apr 17, 2023 6:05:18 GMT -5
Was listening to the latest Major Pod and they’ve been surprisingly not as invested in promoting this. They really pushed the New Gen crowdfund and like it or not, they have a big voice in the collecting community. I know they have a lot going on between the overpriced pro wrestling tees mystery crate and the amazing looking but sure to be over priced Big Rubber Guys. I just wish they would pitch in more. Wonder how much of that is because of the backlash Cardona got for his dumbass "It this doesn't get funded we should all quit collecting" comment.
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Post by newgenandy on Apr 17, 2023 6:36:33 GMT -5
If Mattel Creations want to hinder international orders then if/when this doesn't reach the minimum target, they only have themselves to look at in the mirror. If only there was a really simple solution... Oh wait. There is. Just let us pay $400 (or the GBP equivalent), plus the £60 surcharge for shipping (and the £9 "official" shipping if they have to add that too). What's so difficult about that? No overcharge... no hidden-costs... no added "duty and tax included" craziness. They seem to be making things as awkward, complicated - and expensive - as possible... Yup there other suggestions how to get found it but why should people have to jump through hoops. E.g. shipping it to someone in the USA for them to forward on, introducing another step where things could get lost or screwed up in the mail etc. you shouldn’t need work arounds it should just work. I’m surprised there’s not more people usa based upset because it really is probably the biggest obstacle to this getting funded. So far adding Steiner hasn’t done a huge difference
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Post by Bramahummel on Apr 17, 2023 6:51:48 GMT -5
I can’t see not backing this if it was another $40 here in the states. It’s sucks there aren’t the finance options for international buyers, but if you actually want the stage will you let £32 stop you getting a chance at it? It isn't a case of another $40 though. The difference between what USA pays to overseas is $225!! Would you back it if it cost you $625?? If this was $400 I'd see the value and back it. Maybe even multiple. (I backed 10 x New Gen for reference) But at £500 ($625) that's never going to happen. I flat out feel offended that I'm getting charged that much more for the same product than people in the States. Some people are struggling to see value at $400 so try $625 price tag on for moment and feel where our heads and wallets are at concerning backing the project. For the record, I think the stage is ing awesome Man calm down and do your homework. Its 32 and not more. And dont forget Americans are not paying only 400. They pay shipping plus taxes too
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Post by Warriah' on Apr 17, 2023 7:38:17 GMT -5
It isn't a case of another $40 though. The difference between what USA pays to overseas is $225!! Would you back it if it cost you $625?? If this was $400 I'd see the value and back it. Maybe even multiple. (I backed 10 x New Gen for reference) But at £500 ($625) that's never going to happen. I flat out feel offended that I'm getting charged that much more for the same product than people in the States. Some people are struggling to see value at $400 so try $625 price tag on for moment and feel where our heads and wallets are at concerning backing the project. For the record, I think the stage is ing awesome Man calm down and do your homework. Its 32 and not more. And dont forget Americans are not paying only 400. They pay shipping plus taxes too Americans are paying sales tax which needs to be paid at time of purchase. We are paying what amounts to a tax on imported goods which does not need to be paid until it enters the country. And we are being overcharged by about £47. In addition to £65 we don’t need to be paying until next year when it arrives. It all adds up.
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Post by elvisfan1 on Apr 17, 2023 8:01:03 GMT -5
£32, £47, £124 or whoever's maths you think is right, it doesn't matter now anyway. Doesn't look hopeful for the project.
We shouldn't be overcharged at all, it's the principle.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2023 8:08:07 GMT -5
Yeah, this ain’t getting funded.
Mattel should consider releasing those figures in regular set. Let’s think about it.
1. Mass retail means easier accessibility and no weird extra fees 2. More accessories which highlights what Ultimate line is all about 3. Nobody really wants that stage evidently, so both parties save money 4. Most of us will not be forced to pay the 400 dollar paywall just because we want those figures.
I personally really hope that’s the route they go.
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Post by drankadranka on Apr 17, 2023 8:17:38 GMT -5
Yeah, this ain’t getting funded. Mattel should consider releasing those figures in regular set. Let’s think about it. 1. Mass retail means easier accessibility and no weird extra fees 2. More accessories which highlights what Ultimate line is all about 3. Nobody really wants that stage evidently, so both parties save money 4. Most of us will not be forced to pay the 400 dollar paywall just because we want those figures. I personally really hope that’s the route they go. Lol people do want the stage
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2023 8:27:21 GMT -5
Yeah, this ain’t getting funded. Mattel should consider releasing those figures in regular set. Let’s think about it. 1. Mass retail means easier accessibility and no weird extra fees 2. More accessories which highlights what Ultimate line is all about 3. Nobody really wants that stage evidently, so both parties save money 4. Most of us will not be forced to pay the 400 dollar paywall just because we want those figures. I personally really hope that’s the route they go. Lol people do want the stage Yeah but not enough to warrant it being made. It’s literally moved even less after the pivot
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Post by natureboyfauser on Apr 17, 2023 8:32:20 GMT -5
A thought! What if, with a week to go till the campaign ends ... Mattel says, "we would like to thank the fans who have invested in the WCW Nitro Entrance Stage. Since we are going to reuse parts from this display for the future we have decided to honor and reward the 2,084.00 supporters who believed in us and make this for those and any other passionate collectors who jumps in within the next week. As of now this means, that only 2,084 exclusive Scott Steiner and Rey Mysterio figures will exists if the campaign ended today. (Mattel has $833,600.00 from us right now). How many more would jump in? Me thinks a lot. . A LOT! Again, it's psycology. Mattel has already proven that CAN'T doesn't exist which I like. They also in all liklihood will be doing ultimates for Steiner and Rey so this is already helping on that front ... plus the stage could be reused in multpiple ways - so those investors would be sharing the cost of development. Now what happens if everyone learns with a week to go - Mattel is going to honor the 2,084 backers and anyone else who jumps in? People are NOT going to want to miss out! They don't want only 2,084 collectors owning somehting unique that they don't have. The value rises. The lemmings jump off the cliff! Let's do it!
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Post by Warriah' on Apr 17, 2023 8:34:19 GMT -5
I was just thinking I hope they stick the figs up on MC cos I’d hate to never have the Warrior but I just realised the only other one I’d even want would be Steiner.
The figs may be seen as an extra but they should be driving interest and the majority of them are just not must haves.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2023 8:35:55 GMT -5
A thought! What if, with a week to go till the campaign ends ... Mattel says, "we would like to thank the fans who have invested in the WCW Nitro Entrance Stage. Since we are going to reuse parts from this display for the future we have decided to honor and reward the 2,084.00 supporters who believed in us and make this for those and any other passionate collectors who jumps in within the next week. As of now this means, that only 2,084 exclusive Scott Steiner and Rey Mysterio figures will exists if the campaign ended today. (Mattel has $833,600.00 from us right now). How many more would jump in? Me thinks a lot. . A LOT! Again, it's psycology. Mattel has already proven that CAN'T doesn't exist which I like. They also in all liklihood will be doing ultimates for Steiner and Rey so this is already helping on that front ... plus the stage could be reused in multpiple ways - so those investors would be sharing the cost of development. Now what happens if everyone learns with a week to go - Mattel is going to honor the 2,084 backers and anyone else who jumps in? People are NOT going to want to miss out! They don't want only 2,084 collectors owning somehting unique that they don't have. The value rises. The lemmings jump off the cliff! Let's do it! Very very unlikely
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Post by natureboyfauser on Apr 17, 2023 8:40:14 GMT -5
A thought! What if, with a week to go till the campaign ends ... Mattel says, "we would like to thank the fans who have invested in the WCW Nitro Entrance Stage. Since we are going to reuse parts from this display for the future we have decided to honor and reward the 2,084.00 supporters who believed in us and make this for those and any other passionate collectors who jumps in within the next week. As of now this means, that only 2,084 exclusive Scott Steiner and Rey Mysterio figures will exists if the campaign ended today. (Mattel has $833,600.00 from us right now). How many more would jump in? Me thinks a lot. . A LOT! Again, it's psycology. Mattel has already proven that CAN'T doesn't exist which I like. They also in all liklihood will be doing ultimates for Steiner and Rey so this is already helping on that front ... plus the stage could be reused in multpiple ways - so those investors would be sharing the cost of development. Now what happens if everyone learns with a week to go - Mattel is going to honor the 2,084 backers and anyone else who jumps in? People are NOT going to want to miss out! They don't want only 2,084 collectors owning somehting unique that they don't have. The value rises. The lemmings jump off the cliff! Let's do it! Very very unlikely So was moving Scott Steiner from the tier. Many said it was impossible! I think what would be great about doing it - it rewards the believers and would be an alert that NOBODY would have a right to be angry! Those who wanted it helped the investment process. Those that are saying it will never happen or I will only get it if it gets there or if they do this or that - Mattel would call their bluff and say we are doing it for these people who believe. I think there would be a lot of believers. In all likelihood the end game works. If it didn't work - they still have had a significant amount of investors help build something that in all likelihood Mattel will reuse items in multiple ways over the many years.
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