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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2023 8:48:51 GMT -5
So was moving Scott Steiner from the tier. Many said it was impossible! I think what would be great about doing it - it rewards the believers and would be an alert that NOBODY would have a right to be angry! Those who wanted it helped the investment process. Those that are saying it will never happen or I will only get it if it gets there or if they do this or that - Mattel would call their bluff and say we are doing it for these people who believe. I think there would be a lot of believers. In all likelihood the end game works. If it didn't work - they still have had a significant amount of investors help build something that in all likelihood Mattel will reuse items in multiple ways over the many years. yeah but I think of anybody would’ve wanted this set they would already had backed it since they won’t be charged if it doesn’t reach the 5k mark.
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Post by natureboyfauser on Apr 17, 2023 8:51:31 GMT -5
So was moving Scott Steiner from the tier. Many said it was impossible! I think what would be great about doing it - it rewards the believers and would be an alert that NOBODY would have a right to be angry! Those who wanted it helped the investment process. Those that are saying it will never happen or I will only get it if it gets there or if they do this or that - Mattel would call their bluff and say we are doing it for these people who believe. I think there would be a lot of believers. In all likelihood the end game works. If it didn't work - they still have had a significant amount of investors help build something that in all likelihood Mattel will reuse items in multiple ways over the many years. Yeah but you do realise they haven’t produced the product yet and only will do so after they’ve finalised the amount needed. Also I don’t think those backers would appreciate being overcharged 400 plus for 2 figures lacking accessories lol No, it would come with everything as seen. How many people would jump in knowing they are doing it one way or another with a week to go? I think a lot! A LOT!!! Also why is this thread not showing up anymore on the forum? I had to search for old comments.
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Post by drankadranka on Apr 17, 2023 8:52:35 GMT -5
Lol people do want the stage Yeah but not enough to warrant it being made. It’s literally moved even less after the pivot Wouldn’t that indicate people don’t want the figures since that’s what the pivot was around? (Using your logic)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2023 8:54:32 GMT -5
Yeah but you do realise they haven’t produced the product yet and only will do so after they’ve finalised the amount needed. Also I don’t think those backers would appreciate being overcharged 400 plus for 2 figures lacking accessories lol No, it would come with everything as seen. How many people would jump in knowing they are doing it one way or another with a week to go? I think a lot! A LOT!!! Also why is this thread not showing up anymore on the forum? I had to search for old comments. I misunderstood you. I just don’t think it’s a strong enough reason using cheap psychology tactics.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2023 8:56:56 GMT -5
Yeah but not enough to warrant it being made. It’s literally moved even less after the pivot Wouldn’t that indicate people don’t want the figures since that’s what the pivot was around? (Using your logic) If I had to bet my money I’d say they want those figures but don’t want to pay 400 dollars for them. That’s a much more logical assumption. Remove the stage and make it a figure set for 150 and watch the backers roll in.
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Post by drankadranka on Apr 17, 2023 8:58:57 GMT -5
Do one with Scott Steiner, Rick Steiner, the outsiders and Harlem Heat. Also put Bill and Steve on the top of the stage! This is so beautiful
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Post by PJ on Apr 17, 2023 9:22:51 GMT -5
Yeah but you do realise they haven’t produced the product yet and only will do so after they’ve finalised the amount needed. Also I don’t think those backers would appreciate being overcharged 400 plus for 2 figures lacking accessories lol No, it would come with everything as seen. How many people would jump in knowing they are doing it one way or another with a week to go? I think a lot! A LOT!!! Also why is this thread not showing up anymore on the forum? I had to search for old comments. It looks like it was tacked to the top of the Mattel board. And if this fails I hope Mattel will have finally learned their lesson and not listen to this board and con goers, because it’s the same thing over and over again. Mattel’s told if they make it they’ll buy it. But those same people never think about the cost or their situation. And damn near every time once people see the price very few actually follow through. And everyone else makes 1004 excuses as to why they aren’t buying it. They could be legit excuses, but they are never thought about when saying Mattel needs to make it. So if this fails I really hope they learn their lesson. Also if this fails I do hope they stop crowdfunding because I don’t like the idea of something I want being put in the hands of others. That said I am still hoping this gets backed because I have wanted it since they were funding the new Generation set last year. If you look back in last year’s thread I said I wouldn’t do the New Generation set, but if they did any WCW I would back those. but I’m not very optimistic it makes it which will totally suck.
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Apr 17, 2023 9:35:07 GMT -5
So if this gets funded a lot of the tooling for Raw is War would be made. Most of it will be reuse of the stage and trusses. If it’s still supposed to be more expensive with most of the parts already available through this fund, I wonder if they plan on making a working titantron. Maybe something that’s wifi enabled that will allow you to cast videos onto. Or pre-programmed with several videos. Possibly an SD card and/or USB slot to add videos.
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Post by MKSavage on Apr 17, 2023 9:39:51 GMT -5
So was moving Scott Steiner from the tier. Many said it was impossible! I think what would be great about doing it - it rewards the believers and would be an alert that NOBODY would have a right to be angry! Those who wanted it helped the investment process. Those that are saying it will never happen or I will only get it if it gets there or if they do this or that - Mattel would call their bluff and say we are doing it for these people who believe. I think there would be a lot of believers. In all likelihood the end game works. If it didn't work - they still have had a significant amount of investors help build something that in all likelihood Mattel will reuse items in multiple ways over the many years. I think Steve or Bill have already said in one of their interviews or Q&A's about the crowdfunding items that they have to hit the lowest tier number of backers for it to be economically feasible. If it doesn't hit 5K backers, then it would not be profitable for them to make it, they would be losing money. I'm not worried just yet, there really isn't any incentive right now for people to back this thing. Whether they back it now or on the final day, they still at least get the Stage, Rey and Steiner. Some people may be waiting for their tax refund check to arrive, others may want to wait to see if it even gets close to being funded, and even more may just want to wait to the final day like the early bird Macho special for last year's crowdfund item - that was when the new generation set got funded. The final 24-48 hours will be the time to watch.
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Post by MKSavage on Apr 17, 2023 9:43:55 GMT -5
So if this gets funded a lot of the tooling for Raw is War would be made. Most of it will be reuse of the stage and trusses. If it’s still supposed to be more expensive with most of the parts already available through this fund, I wonder if they plan on making a working titantron. M aybe something that’s wifi enabled that will allow you to cast videos onto. Or pre-programmed with several videos. Possibly an SD card and/or USB slot to add videos. That would be cool, but I think that might make it too expensive for this type of thing.
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Post by ChuckPOORis55 Cody Gang 4 Lyfe on Apr 17, 2023 9:44:54 GMT -5
The figs may be seen as an extra but they should be driving interest and the majority of them are just not must haves. Because the figs are the driving force behind sales. Legitimately nothing has been learned since the New Gen Arena. The stages are not the draw for a majority of people (INB4 I wAnT tHe StAgE, you are the minority, clearly) and people can keep parroting that they are just bonuses till the cows come home but it's just cope at this point.
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Post by PJ on Apr 17, 2023 9:45:06 GMT -5
Wouldn’t that indicate people don’t want the figures since that’s what the pivot was around? (Using your logic) If I had to bet my money I’d say they want those figures but don’t want to pay 400 dollars for them. That’s a much more logical assumption. Remove the stage and make it a figure set for 150 and watch the backers roll in. So you think it would cost $150 for them to produce those 5 figures? Two of which in Warrior and Steiner that have all new tooling? UE’s at mass retail are about $35 now. So what you’re suggesting that’s already $5 cheaper a figure than if they were a mass retail release. But then you need to factor in it’s a shorter production run which means it’s going to cost them more to produce. So there’s no way they would release those for $150.
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Post by Deep Figure Value on Apr 17, 2023 9:47:25 GMT -5
I love the positively wild "what if" scenarios that keep getting bandied about here, solely geared toward some wild scenario that allows the existing backers to win in the event that this campaign fails.
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Post by ChuckPOORis55 Cody Gang 4 Lyfe on Apr 17, 2023 9:47:33 GMT -5
If I had to bet my money I’d say they want those figures but don’t want to pay 400 dollars for them. That’s a much more logical assumption. Remove the stage and make it a figure set for 150 and watch the backers roll in. So you think it would cost $150 for them to produce those 5 figures? Two of which in Warrior and Steiner that have all new tooling? UE’s at mass retail are about $35 now. So that’s already $5 cheaper than if the were a mass retail release. But then you need to factor in it’s a shorter production run which means it’s going to cost them more to produce. So there’s no way they would release those for $150. You could release them at $250 and it would still get more backers than this.
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Post by ChuckPOORis55 Cody Gang 4 Lyfe on Apr 17, 2023 9:49:36 GMT -5
I love the positively wild "what if" scenarios that keep getting bandied about here, solely geared toward some wild scenario that allows the existing backers to win in the event that this campaign fails. We have returned once again to the bargaining stage of grief. Depression and Anger are gonna hit like a truck in the last few days of this.
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Post by NoseBleedcollectibles on Apr 17, 2023 9:54:23 GMT -5
Officially funded 2,085 I'll come back in 18 days. I trust well get this done
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Post by Deep Figure Value on Apr 17, 2023 10:00:22 GMT -5
So you think it would cost $150 for them to produce those 5 figures? Two of which in Warrior and Steiner that have all new tooling? UE’s at mass retail are about $35 now. So that’s already $5 cheaper than if the were a mass retail release. But then you need to factor in it’s a shorter production run which means it’s going to cost them more to produce. So there’s no way they would release those for $150. You could release them at $250 and it would still get more backers than this. One of the stark differences between this campaign and the New Gen one is that with the New Gen, I had at least a bit of temptation after they came forward with the early backer incentive. Macho is the only character I buy multiples of without hesitation, and I came down to the wire deciding whether or not I was gonna go in on it in order to have that rarity in my Savage collection. In the end, I didn't, because WMX doesn't resonate with me for a number of reasons, but this campaign has had none of that. I generally like the figures being offered here, but they kind of suffer from a) all (but Steiner) being characters I already have figures of that I'm settled on, b) not particularly being characters I'm a giant fan of (DDP comes close, but I already have one more Hogan than I'll ever need, one more Warrior than I ever needed, and only one Rey I'd consider buying as a duplicate if I can find the right price), and c) being packaged with a stage that I have less than no need or space for. At $400, that's just such a difficult buy-in for me. At $250 for a set of five? I'd at least be in the consideration phase, if only because I could feasibly see a reasonably pain-free way to recoup my money for the Hogan, Rey, and Warrior figures I wouldn't be keeping. The prospect of packing, selling, and shipping the ring, the stage, and Diesel put me off of the New Gen, and this set is only bigger, with more figures I wouldn't want to keep, and comes with a much higher price tag to try and recoup. $400 for two Ultimates (and only one being guaranteed if the goal is hit)? I'm out.
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Post by MKSavage on Apr 17, 2023 10:05:35 GMT -5
Yeah but you do realise they haven’t produced the product yet and only will do so after they’ve finalised the amount needed. Also I don’t think those backers would appreciate being overcharged 400 plus for 2 figures lacking accessories lol No, it would come with everything as seen. How many people would jump in knowing they are doing it one way or another with a week to go? I think a lot! A LOT!!! Also why is this thread not showing up anymore on the forum? I had to search for old comments.It's still there, it's just pinned to the board (6th thread down from the top under the Board Rules thread).
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Post by PJ on Apr 17, 2023 10:12:26 GMT -5
So you think it would cost $150 for them to produce those 5 figures? Two of which in Warrior and Steiner that have all new tooling? UE’s at mass retail are about $35 now. So that’s already $5 cheaper than if the were a mass retail release. But then you need to factor in it’s a shorter production run which means it’s going to cost them more to produce. So there’s no way they would release those for $150. You could release them at $250 and it would still get more backers than this. You probably could. But that’s not what Mattel is offering. I said last year during the New Generation campaign I wouldn’t back that but if they did a WCW one I would. So they did and gladly backed it. I haven’t told others to or not to. It’s worth it to me, but if others think it’s not worth it for them to drop the money on then so be it. But I do have a problem with people saying nobody wants the stage just do the figures. I may be in the minority but don’t speak for me. Just let this succeed or fail instead of undermining it with all their “Mattel should do this”. Come May 6 if this fails and people want to ask Steve about just doing the figures fine. But like I said if this does fail I hope Steve and Bill finally learn their lesson. And that is they can’t listen to the board’s members and Con goers. Because Mattel shows stuff and everyone says OMG! Take my money. And if that’s made I will buy it. But when those people are saying that they aren’t thinking of the cost or their situation they just see the shiny new object and have to have it. Then when Mattel release it and people see the price only a few actually follow through. Then all the excuses/reasons (many valid) of why they can’t/aren’t come out. So they (Mattel) need to realize that when they are getting that feedback those people aren’t thinking about their situations and what it will cost.
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Post by natureboyfauser on Apr 17, 2023 10:13:43 GMT -5
So was moving Scott Steiner from the tier. Many said it was impossible! I think what would be great about doing it - it rewards the believers and would be an alert that NOBODY would have a right to be angry! Those who wanted it helped the investment process. Those that are saying it will never happen or I will only get it if it gets there or if they do this or that - Mattel would call their bluff and say we are doing it for these people who believe. I think there would be a lot of believers. In all likelihood the end game works. If it didn't work - they still have had a significant amount of investors help build something that in all likelihood Mattel will reuse items in multiple ways over the many years. I think Steve or Bill have already said in one of their interviews or Q&A's about the crowdfunding items that they have to hit the lowest tier number of backers for it to be economically feasible. If it doesn't hit 5K backers, then it would not be profitable for them to make it, they would be losing money. I'm not worried just yet, there really isn't any incentive right now for people to back this thing. Whether they back it now or on the final day, they still at least get the Stage, Rey and Steiner. Some people may be waiting for their tax refund check to arrive, others may want to wait to see if it even gets close to being funded, and even more may just want to wait to the final day like the early bird Macho special for last year's crowdfund item - that was when the new generation set got funded. The final 24-48 hours will be the time to watch. I appreciate your optimism. Let's hope you're right on the last day or two. On the funding part ... everything Mattel does is a calculated risk. What if they make sets and they don't sell. Here they have. significant seed money to make something that will be able to be used multiple times for various things. The fact that if they make a pivot to say we are jumping in with the current investors and any others that want in ... I would think would not only get them a LOT more investors ... but would help offset the cost. With 2,500 backers that is a Million dollars. Also, a lesson to jump in when the opportunity arrives if it is something you want. For those who don't want it - no harm no foul. For those who do - BINGO - see money and investment for Mattel.
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