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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Mar 29, 2023 9:21:29 GMT -5
Honestly, we probably don’t need crowdfunds. There’s really nothing they can make that just sells itself like with Galactus, Hiss Tank, Sentinel, Eternia, etc. With those, the main item is what people wanted and the figures and extras were just perks. People woulda backed it regardless of what they bundled with it or added on with extra tiers. Anything WWE related that would require a crowdfunding campaign there isn’t a massive demand for. Whatever they choose to make, everyone’s first response is gonna be “what else are we gonna get?” Being disappointed with Hulk Hogan or any of the stretch goals enough where someone is like “I’m out” means you never wanted the Nitro Stage in the first place.
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Post by peterjp2 on Mar 29, 2023 9:22:40 GMT -5
This thing will absolutely struggle to get backing let alone hit any stretch goals if they do not fix the arbitrary price gauging for people overseas. Overseas and even just across the border in Canada. Very curious at what rate this hits the 5k mark. |
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Post by figvegas on Mar 29, 2023 9:37:45 GMT -5
Steve just mentioned on the Q and A that it’s a ‘shipping surcharge’ that varies country to country. Must be some calculator they’re using!
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Post by ajay182 on Mar 29, 2023 9:38:56 GMT -5
The value is there but it's wrapped up in chance. The likelihood of 5k backers in 9 days, at this price point, is quite low. Which means it becomes $400 for the arena and Rey, whilst fingers stay crossed for DDP. The value argument falls short for me as can only be deemed good value if you have reasonable control over what you actually receive. People can cancel their order at any time before the backing period closes. So there's literally zero risk in backing early. That said, the item is the stage itself. I think people are putting way too much emphasis on the figures. Nobody bought Galactus for the Silver Surfer fig or the HISS tank for Cobra Commander. The figures are meant to be a value add, not the central focus of the project. I agree on risk, no argument there whatsoever. I'm purely discussing the value argument that was given as a reason to buy. Ultimately, a core part of that reasoning was the value gained from selling the figures, which makes them a core reason to justify the purchase and as such, they'd have to then be considered more than just a value add/bonus. And crucially, without them, I don't think people will see enough value in a $400 stage. Where people seemingly are seeing value is in the scenario where all 5 figures are included - which is now purely in the hands of luck and chance. Time will tell I suppose, but I think they've badly overestimated the market. |
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Post by GreyHaze:Big Bad Booty Daddy on Mar 29, 2023 9:59:51 GMT -5
At this point I'm over the $400 price, the real hit will be the overall price lol. I didn't buy many figures in a while so I'm hyped up for this set. I'm probably selling off Warrior and Hogan. I'll have to wait and see how they look in person though. I'm just REALLY hoping those Steiner biker trunks are sculpted. It just throws it off that he has a brand new torso, arms and just painted on trunks. Let me be wrong.
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Post by Jeremiah on Mar 29, 2023 10:03:00 GMT -5
Is the crowd funder not the way for us to get new parts and more options this stage could to a cheaper smaller stage set in the future like how the new gen got us a ring and a bonus ue figure with Kane a little down the line.
Mattel has no obligation to try again and even do deep cuts there market mainly consist of parents buying basics for kids who could care less for more than probably 15-20 characters.
This is for diehard fans ultimates die hard fans who display, photograph, or just live in nostalgia.
Food for thought
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Post by WrestlingFigWig on Mar 29, 2023 10:11:56 GMT -5
Man-oh-man this is going to be interesting...
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Post by GreyHaze:Big Bad Booty Daddy on Mar 29, 2023 10:25:01 GMT -5
I forgot I pre-ordered a Mezco Crow figure... Damn, and B BTS does not let you cancel once a deposit sets in. I might have to sell him. I also have Leatherface pre-ordered too. Oh boy,this is getting real interesting.
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Post by matgarza5 on Mar 29, 2023 10:28:01 GMT -5
I have a feeling this one will be kinda similar to the Skystriker Hasbro crowdfunded few years ago. It’s not gonna be like the Rancor or Ghost Rider campaign cause those got so much negative feedback it was disgusting. This Nitro stage is truly a beautiful thing and even the people who aren’t backing it know that. It will get backed with a few of the stretch goals funded but the last one may not get us all the way to 11k. I’m hoping Steiner gets funded that would be a successful campaign in my book. I would love the Warrior but 11k is high and unfortunately there won’t be people who back multiple and as I’m reading the posts ALOT of our overseas collectors are being charged WAY more than they expected.
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Post by MKSavage on Mar 29, 2023 10:36:39 GMT -5
Wait, if it doesn't reach 5k backers in a week, then no one gets Hogan? I thought if it eventually reaches 5k backers, and you purchased early (within the 1st week), then you get Hogan. But, if it reaches 5k backers in a week, then anyone who orders at any time (within the 1st week or at the last minute before the crowd funding closes) gets Hogan? Is that not the case? Just seen your question in the QnA. But buddy this is what it says on the mattel website. “Early Funding Bonus: if we reach 5,000 early backers between March 29 and April 7, everyone receives an Ultimate Edition WCW Nitro Debut Hulk Hogan™ figure” Yeah, I saw that, but to me it reads like everyone gets a Hogan if it's backed before April 7th. However, it doesn't read like no one gets Hogan if it isn't backed by that date. I just wanted to get the confirmation from AFA on the last part, which he did confirm. We only get a Hogan if it's backed (reaches 5K backers) by April 7th. Not sure I like that, but I get why they went that route. Yeah, the value is absolutely there. I'd argue the stage itself is a $300-400 item itself based on the price of similar crowd funded campaigns. Even if the Hogan isn't the most exciting, it'll be a limited run piece of a highly collected wrestler. Mysterio's career is winding down and it's impossible to say if he'll be available to Mattel beyond that. DDP is a guy who really only had 2 memorable looks. I think that figure holds long term value. I'm probably only buying 1 this time. But if people are only interested in select items, you can probably recoup a decent chunk of the cost. The value is there but it's wrapped up in chance. The likelihood of 5k backers in 9 days, at this price point, is quite low. Which means it becomes $400 for the arena and Rey, whilst fingers stay crossed for DDP. The value argument falls short for me as can only be deemed good value if you have reasonable control over what you actually receive. Yeah, that's what I've been thinking about. If it gets funded but doesn't make it to the DDP tier, and it doesn't get funded by April 7th, there isn't that much value in it - IMO. To me the value is in the entire stage but with 4 or 5 figures. I think it will get backed by April 7th, but I wonder about the 2nd, 3rd and 4th tiers. I feel like the value is in the last 3 figures. |
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Post by newgenandy on Mar 29, 2023 10:40:27 GMT -5
Honestly, we probably don’t need crowdfunds. There’s really nothing they can make that just sells itself like with Galactus, Hiss Tank, Sentinel, Eternia, etc. With those, the main item is what people wanted and the figures and extras were just perks. People woulda backed it regardless of what they bundled with it or added on with extra tiers. Anything WWE related that would require a crowdfunding campaign there isn’t a massive demand for. Whatever they choose to make, everyone’s first response is gonna be “what else are we gonna get?” Being disappointed with Hulk Hogan or any of the stretch goals enough where someone is like “I’m out” means you never wanted the Nitro Stage in the first place. 1000% This is fact not opinion Look at the previous crowdfund. That was only successful because of macho being added at the 11th hour which was not part of the original crowdfund campaign. Had that figure not been added there wasn’t enough interest in the ring/entrance For a lot of people the stage (which is they key item) is the bonus snd the figures are the key item. I’d estimate 75% of comments I’ve read positive and negative are about the figures The MOTU example is a great one - Even outside the crowdfund arena it can be seen - prople bought the origins greyskull for the castle, the sorceress was a bonus. Whereas people bought the light up raw scale ring or the more recent ring for Goldberg and kane respectively. The ring was a bonus or a sell on item |
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Post by MKSavage on Mar 29, 2023 10:40:28 GMT -5
I’m hoping we get a cheap WCW Saturday Night entrance 3 pack like they did with the RAW entrance. Give us US Champ Stunning Steve, Cactus Jack, and International champion Rick Rude That actually sounds really good. A WCW Cactus Jack and Rick Rude are two top WCW wants for me, I wonder if they would be able to include a soft goods robe with Rick Rude? I also thought that Rude would be a good choice to go with a WCW ring like what they did with Kane and the Raw ring. An ultimate edition Rude with a soft goods robe and the International Title and the WCW ring would be great. |
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Post by warriorheart on Mar 29, 2023 10:40:34 GMT -5
I noticed all the figs are using pinless elbows but not pinless knees. At this point that’s pretty ridiculous especially when Mattel is pinless for the Masterverse MOTU figs at a cheaper price point as well.
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Post by Action Figure Attack on Mar 29, 2023 10:43:35 GMT -5
I noticed all the figs are using pinless elbows but not pinless knees. At this point that’s pretty ridiculous especially when Mattel is pinless for the Masterverse MOTU figs at a cheaper price point as well. They’re all currently virtual models or 3D prints. It’s looking like at least some or possible all could have pinless legs by the time this is finalized. |
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Post by crush on Mar 29, 2023 10:44:51 GMT -5
Just seen your question in the QnA. But buddy this is what it says on the mattel website. “Early Funding Bonus: if we reach 5,000 early backers between March 29 and April 7, everyone receives an Ultimate Edition WCW Nitro Debut Hulk Hogan™ figure” Yeah, I saw that, but to me it reads like everyone gets a Hogan if it's backed before April 7th. However, it doesn't read like no one gets Hogan if it isn't backed by that date. I just wanted to get the confirmation from AFA on the last part, which he did confirm. We only get a Hogan if it's backed (reaches 5K backers) by April 7th. Not sure I like that, but I get why they went that route. The value is there but it's wrapped up in chance. The likelihood of 5k backers in 9 days, at this price point, is quite low. Which means it becomes $400 for the arena and Rey, whilst fingers stay crossed for DDP. The value argument falls short for me as can only be deemed good value if you have reasonable control over what you actually receive. Yeah, that's what I've been thinking about. If it gets funded but doesn't make it to the DDP tier, and it doesn't get funded by April 7th, there isn't that much value in it - IMO. To me the value is in the entire stage but with 4 or 5 figures. I think it will get backed by April 7th, but I wonder about the 2nd, 3rd and 4th tiers. I feel like the value is in the last 3 figures. Yeah, this is one of the big things for me. Again, personally I'm not backing because my level of personal interest, however if the set gets Hogan # and then reaches the DPP or Steienr level, it's definitely more than meeting the price value. However, if it ends up being only the stage. However, if it ends up being just the stage and Rey, I think people are going to be disappointed. |
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Post by GreyHaze:Big Bad Booty Daddy on Mar 29, 2023 10:44:53 GMT -5
I noticed all the figs are using pinless elbows but not pinless knees. At this point that’s pretty ridiculous especially when Mattel is pinless for the Masterverse MOTU figs at a cheaper price point as well. Agree. The pins on the feet are an eyesore too. The only thing that really bugs me is that we're no longer able to swap parts with the pinless features. Especially, if the parts are inaccurate. |
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Post by atm06 on Mar 29, 2023 11:00:59 GMT -5
To whomever it matters, the resale price on the New Gen set has slowly crept up over the last few months. Several complete sets have closed at or near $500 on the bay. I realize that $400 is a lot for an investment piece, but in a few years I think this Nitro set will sell for multiple times that.
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Post by Bafio on Mar 29, 2023 11:03:23 GMT -5
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Mar 29, 2023 11:03:37 GMT -5
WE DID IT!!! Absolutely obliterated that goal in less than a minute.  |
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Post by cableV on Mar 29, 2023 11:05:43 GMT -5
Over 900,000! Those are Hot Wheels collectors numbers  |
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