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Post by elvisfan1 on May 7, 2023 6:23:23 GMT -5
There's a weird narrative that's happened overnight about the size of this thing now being an issue. That's what was so good about it. It was scaled properly for once. There's nothing worse than crappy cardboard stages / backdrops (AEW Stage anyone?) and those little action rings that just make the figures look ridiculous. It's not the reason this thing failed and if they start making out of scale things as a crowdfunder then we really are on to a loser. Rubbish figures, International rip offs and a lack of value. That's it. That's why this failed. I agree, being made to correct figure scale was one of the most important things to me. So many toy companies, even when making so-called collector pieces, awkwardly shrink the scale to make it cheaper and it's so disappointing and frustrating. I say do it right. Mattel designing it with removeable sections/adjustable configuration was a great idea to help people with limited space. I 100% would NOT have backed this if the scale was shrunken down and inaccurate. The opposite is also true in that I am not happy with the upcoming WCW ring being too big. WCW rings were 18x18 feet, not 20x20 feet like WWE rings, and for someone who grew up with WCW, a 20x20 scale ring will never feel right. I know AFA said they can't justify the tooling cost to make a WCW specific ring and I do appreciate the honesty, but that doesn't mean I'm satisfied or will give up wanting one. 100%. Learning the ring would be the wrong scale anyway was very disappointing to me. I like my items to be scaled as accurately as possible. Did I mention action rings? Ew. |
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Post by HothHan on May 7, 2023 6:27:23 GMT -5
Saw a video of someone saying the figures were already accounted for with the $400 price point so they shoulda been included which is what I suspected. That is pretty much always the case and especially with this set. It's another reason why I'm still surprised that people didn't "see the value". The set itself was worth the price of admission alone but if you take the retail price of the figures into account (assuming a full tier funding) the set itself was less than $250. That gigantic detailed and modular set with multiple lighting systems (and a remote control that was backwards compatible with the assumed/upcoming Raw set) and 5 UE figures for $400. |
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on May 7, 2023 6:31:03 GMT -5
While from a financial standpoint that makes sense, I just don't see it happening because it would significantly weaken any future crowdfund. If people know that they don't have to back something because Mattel will just release those figures anyway then it greatly diminishes any leverage on their part to have these projects funded as intended. I think their lack of leverage has been exhibited here with the 78% funded but why does it matter whether it’s a crowdfund or not? If Mattel is pulling out of the crowdfund pool entirely with WWE then it doesn't really matter. All I am saying is that if they do plan to release future projects like this, people will be even more hesitant to back it if the figures will just be released at a later date regardless. |
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Post by The Assassin on May 7, 2023 6:36:45 GMT -5
100%. Learning the ring would be the wrong scale anyway was very disappointing to me. I like my items to be scaled as accurately as possible. Did I mention action rings? Ew. Sometimes companies fudge the scale on the sly too, e.g. the MOTUC Castle Grayskull we actually got was smaller in all directions than the measurements given in the crowdfund! And the upcoming NECA Turtle Van is another example where they clearly compromised the design and proportions trying to force the size down a bit, and thinking people wouldn't notice. It's ridiculous. Thankfully NECA have now responded to the complaints and improved it a little, but I'm still not sure it will be enough, and their attitude lost my enthusiasm and ultimately my business in that example. |
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Post by ttmbrad on May 7, 2023 7:10:28 GMT -5
I'm kind of glad this didnt make it. I only wanted the Hulkster figure and $400 was a steep price for only 1 figure I really wanted.
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Post by Flair Forever on May 7, 2023 7:15:40 GMT -5
There's a weird narrative that's happened overnight about the size of this thing now being an issue. That's what was so good about it. It was scaled properly for once. There's nothing worse than crappy cardboard stages / backdrops (AEW Stage anyone?) and those little action rings that just make the figures look ridiculous. It's not the reason this thing failed and if they start making out of scale things as a crowdfunder then we really are on to a loser. Rubbish figures, International rip offs and a lack of value. That's it. That's why this failed. I agree, being made to correct figure scale was one of the most important things to me. So many toy companies, even when making so-called collector pieces, awkwardly shrink the scale to make it cheaper and it's so disappointing and frustrating. I say do it right. Mattel designing it with removeable sections/adjustable configuration was a great idea to help people with limited space. I 100% would NOT have backed this if the scale was shrunken down and inaccurate.
The opposite is also true in that I am not happy with the upcoming WCW ring being too big. WCW rings were 18x18 feet, not 20x20 feet like WWE rings, and for someone who grew up with WCW, a 20x20 scale ring will never feel right. I know AFA said they can't justify the tooling cost to make a WCW specific ring and I do appreciate the honesty, but that doesn't mean I'm satisfied or will give up wanting one.You are 100% correct that the WCW ring SHOULD be scaled properly, and I'll tell you why; The actual WCW rings were purposely a little smaller than WWE rings in order to make the NWA/WCW wrestlers look a little bigger than the WWF wrestlers.... and it was noticeable. I always felt like Ric Flair looked small in a WWF ring..... he appeared much more competitive (bigger) in a WCW ring. In general - WWF wrestlers were larger (by McMahon's preference) so WCW needed to compensate. So just saying "ahh screw it we'll use the existing tooling" really isn't the proper execution of a WCW ring. |
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Post by Glorydaysofwrestling on May 7, 2023 7:28:49 GMT -5
I think way too many people are armchair quarterbacking / fantasy booking this whole scenario.
The stage was an amazing piece. The figs were extra. They went with proven sellers and a highly requested new character (Scott Steiner)
I would of loved to have this whole setup, but it just wasn’t meant to be.
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Post by Deep Figure Value on May 7, 2023 7:49:14 GMT -5
If Mattel is listening to feedback as well as they say ("New Gen feedback told us people didn't want another ring"), then size is definitely going to be a concern for any future potential crowdfunds. As a holdout on the (partial) basis of space and size, I can tell you, before it even gets started, that with the Nitro stage being too large to fit into my space allotted, this bad boy is right out:  |
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Post by Warriah' on May 7, 2023 8:07:58 GMT -5
I think way too many people are armchair quarterbacking / fantasy booking this whole scenario. The stage was an amazing piece. The figs were extra. They went with proven sellers and a highly requested new character (Scott Steiner) I would of loved to have this whole setup, but it just wasn’t meant to be. Saying it wasn’t meant to be is a cop out. Hundreds if not thousands of people were telling mattel they would back this if they would charge them fairly. Not just here, I saw it dominate the comments on every post on Twitter, Reddit and Instagram. This failure is as a consequence of Mattel’s greed. They COULD have fixed it. We know they could. Because they charged everyone equally on the new gen set. They just didn’t want to. |
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Post by elvisfan1 on May 7, 2023 8:10:06 GMT -5
If Mattel is listening to feedback as well as they say ("New Gen feedback told us people didn't want another ring"), then size is definitely going to be a concern for any future potential crowdfunds. As a holdout on the (partial) basis of space and size, I can tell you, before it even gets started, that with the Nitro stage being too large to fit into my space allotted, this bad boy is right out: The ironic thing is that tron doesn't look big enough to be in scale to the entrance... |
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Post by CMW Toys on May 7, 2023 8:28:33 GMT -5
If Mattel is listening to feedback as well as they say ("New Gen feedback told us people didn't want another ring"), then size is definitely going to be a concern for any future potential crowdfunds. As a holdout on the (partial) basis of space and size, I can tell you, before it even gets started, that with the Nitro stage being too large to fit into my space allotted, this bad boy is right out: The size of that thing...and people think they will have space for a smack down fist stage to scale...no chance. I dread to think of the price it would be to be done properly too. |
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Post by kirk815 on May 7, 2023 8:50:52 GMT -5
Never let the truth get in the way of a good story It was actually AFA on a podcast but I think he was moreso saying the figures are free at that price point. Can't remember the quote verbatim. If it's the AFA video and the one that I saw, he went on to explain that at each tier (5K, 7K, 9K, 11K), they have more revenue and less costs (costs go down the more you produce), which gives them more profit. Instead of pocketing all of the profit, they are putting it back into the project and giving us the figures at those tiers. So they are basically "free" to us the more people buy the stage since we arent paying more money for 3 extra figures (only guaranteed two with the stage). So if somebody else posted a video about it, they didn't understand what Steve was saying (and just because somebody made a video saying something doesn't make it true). Steve stated multiple times that they couldn't release all 5 figures and the stage to only 5K backers at $400- they would lose money. |
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Post by elvisfan1 on May 7, 2023 8:55:20 GMT -5
Cardova is not going to be happy with us. How will we make amends and pledge our loyalty? He can go do one for all I care. Million dollar broski should of backed the rest of it. Looks like he’s skint just as much as I am 🤣 Matt Poordona |
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Post by coldblooded on May 7, 2023 9:51:25 GMT -5
There's a weird narrative that's happened overnight about the size of this thing now being an issue. That's what was so good about it. It was scaled properly for once. There's nothing worse than crappy cardboard stages / backdrops (AEW Stage anyone?) and those little action rings that just make the figures look ridiculous. It's not the reason this thing failed and if they start making out of scale things as a crowdfunder then we really are on to a loser. Rubbish figures, International rip offs and a lack of value. That's it. That's why this failed. It's not why it failed no, but it did put a lot of people off including myself. Now it looks like the inevitable raw stage is going to take half a wall in any room. It did fail for the other reasons you mentioned. |
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Post by CM Tusk on May 7, 2023 10:35:30 GMT -5
If Mattel is listening to feedback as well as they say ("New Gen feedback told us people didn't want another ring"), then size is definitely going to be a concern for any future potential crowdfunds. As a holdout on the (partial) basis of space and size, I can tell you, before it even gets started, that with the Nitro stage being too large to fit into my space allotted, this bad boy is right out: No way this would get funded. Price point and size would work against it. That said, I’d definitely actually display it if I did end up with it. |
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Post by legendsguy on May 7, 2023 10:58:32 GMT -5
I'm kind of glad this didnt make it. I only wanted the Hulkster figure and $400 was a steep price for only 1 figure I really wanted. ROFL ..talk about being in the "minority" holy hell.. |
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Post by aggressiveperfector on May 7, 2023 11:12:49 GMT -5
I'm kind of glad this didnt make it. I only wanted the Hulkster figure and $400 was a steep price for only 1 figure I really wanted. ROFL ..talk about being in the "minority" holy hell.. I'm not going to trash the guy. We all have different tastes. There are a lot of people out there that do have character Specific collection. I have a friend that ONLY collects Rey Mysterio and has EVERY Mysterio figure from the beginning of his figures, and the only other figures he has are those that are packed in with him. |
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Post by Chicago on May 7, 2023 11:12:54 GMT -5
If Mattel is listening to feedback as well as they say ("New Gen feedback told us people didn't want another ring"), then size is definitely going to be a concern for any future potential crowdfunds. As a holdout on the (partial) basis of space and size, I can tell you, before it even gets started, that with the Nitro stage being too large to fit into my space allotted, this bad boy is right out: The ironic thing is that tron doesn't look big enough to be in scale to the entrance... Truth. No way is it ever going to be scaled to the actual size.  |
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Post by crush on May 7, 2023 11:14:31 GMT -5
Hot(?) take: Neither the Raw stage or the Smackdown first would have come close to hitting 11,000, and frankly would have had trouble being funded at 5,000 as well. Sure would specially if Taka Michinoku was the first tier and the Early Bird was a The Rock figure. Amd at 7000 we could unlock Triple H and after that An Undertaker. aka the figures sucked on this thats why it failed I think the figures were a factor, especially the initial tier structure, but I truly don't think they ended up being the determining factor. |
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Post by crush on May 7, 2023 11:18:53 GMT -5
There's a weird narrative that's happened overnight about the size of this thing now being an issue. That's what was so good about it. It was scaled properly for once. There's nothing worse than crappy cardboard stages / backdrops (AEW Stage anyone?) and those little action rings that just make the figures look ridiculous. It's not the reason this thing failed and if they start making out of scale things as a crowdfunder then we really are on to a loser. Rubbish figures, International rip offs and a lack of value. That's it. That's why this failed. It's not "happening overnight" it's something that's been talked about since the start. And yes, a full-scale stage concept is awesome. However, reality is that the majority of the wrestling figure base collects figures only and big scale items are a large part of the market to the level they are for other lines, and many collectors don't have display set up to accommodate something so large even if they think it's awesome. Not saying there aren't people who want major playsets, but they're such a niche of a niche that it's an issue going against them in crowdfund situations. This particular time it was part of doing it in. |
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I dont know good luck 
