personagamer
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Post by personagamer on Apr 14, 2023 6:20:42 GMT -5
The problem is figures no one asked for like Warrior from what's been known as his first match and Hogan when they just released one that maybe would have made people buy this in the legends line, Bash At The Beach Hogan is more iconic than a hogan we've seen 5 times minimal change
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voicesinmyhead
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Post by voicesinmyhead on Apr 14, 2023 6:25:24 GMT -5
Find me one company that can make this exact stage at 5,000 pieces and sell it for $200. See, you’re confusing value with your interest. You personally are not willing to spend more than $200 and that’s your choice. However, you would never find an item like this for $200. Sorry. You simply cannot produce 5,000 pieces of this stage and sell it for less than that. Steve said the same himself. You’re letting your own opinion of what you would pay discredit actual facts. If my assessment is wrong why are there only 2,021 Backers with 22 days left. So unless rsc orders a few thousand of these its not looking good. There aren’t many backers for multiple reasons, but I am sure that there are many (like you) that can’t justify spending $400 on a toy. And that’s completely understandable. However, that doesn’t change the fact that the item is still appropriately priced. That’s what OPs post is all about. We aren’t arguing if the stage is worth it to YOU.
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Post by AttitudeLegendCollector on Apr 14, 2023 7:06:34 GMT -5
$400 x 5,000 is $2 million USD Plus the international fees..... Just a thought... And if they were to get to 11,000 backers that would be $4.4million. Vince paid less to actually buy WCW and it’s library 😅
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Post by Rocket_Fuel_Merchant on Apr 14, 2023 7:20:25 GMT -5
The problem is figures no one asked for like Warrior from what's been known as his first match and Hogan when they just released one that maybe would have made people buy this in the legends line, Bash At The Beach Hogan is more iconic than a hogan we've seen 5 times minimal change speak for yourself...Nitro Debut Warrior and Hogan were figures I certainly wanted
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Post by drankadranka on Apr 14, 2023 7:26:13 GMT -5
$400 for the WCW stage makes sense to me and here's why. Here is the very first entrance stage Mattel made. It is not in scale. It was mass-produced around 2011 or 2012 and exclusive to K-Mart. I think it retailed for $50. It has a few sound clips from a speaker in the stage that sound pretty bad and some lights in the main tron. It's largely made up of big hunks of plastic with very little detail. It's got some moveable lights on the stage. The main tron is a sticker of John Cena and the mini trons are clear with flimsy pieces of paper with a backdrop printed on one side inserted. The headboard on the top is cardboard. You can barely line the Kliq up along the stage. I personally love this toy, but it's not very wide. This is the entrance stage equivalent to Mattel's basic $20 rings. Again, that stage had enough inventory produced to ideally stock every Kmart in the U.S. back when K-Marts were all over the country. The next stage Mattel made was not a store exclusive. It was produced for mass retail and stocked in Target, Walmart, Toys R Us, Amazon, RSC, anywhere willing to give the shelf space for it. I think I got it at Target for $50. It had even less detail than the Kmart stage. The sound feature is gone. It's got a couple LEDs at the base of the mini trons. Even the sculpted lights on the sides of the stage no longer move. Some hokey breakaway features were added for the kids. The mini trons are just blank, clear plastic. No stickers on them. The main tron is a card board picture of Cena. The main feature of this is that you can put a tablet in the tron and play entrance videos from an app Mattel made. That's a pretty brilliant feature. And there's a piece of cardboard on top you can flip around that says Raw/Smackdown on either side. Again, you can barely fit enough figures on this. Both of these toy entrance stages are the same width and nearly the same depth and height, although the second one is slightly shorter than the K-Mart one. So these previous stages mass retailed for $50. I'm guessing at least a hundred thousand units produced each. They were bare bones. They were fairly tall, but no where near in scale. And they were maybe a foot and a half wide. Now compare that to the WCW stage from the crowdfund. Loaded to the gills with tons of LEDs everywhere. Spotlights. Fabric banners attached to highly detailed trusses. The detail in the diamond-patterned WCW letters is exquisite. Those letters themselves are massive and taller than the figures. The trusses that make up the entrance arch are highly detailed compared to the trusses on previous entrance stages. There's a little chain-link fence behind the entrance arch with a small, highly detailed WCW Monday Nitro logo. The grating on the floor and ramp looks like actual grating. The entire stage is 3.3ft wide. You could put the two entrance stages above side-by-side and the WCW stage will be wider. The thing is massive and every inch is packed with realistic detail. Considering that first two entrance stages I showed were mass retail releases that are comparatively small with very little detail, I think it makes perfect sense that the size, the amount of detail, and the electronics being put into the WCW stage earns its $400 price tag for 5,000 units minimum produced. If it's too big for you, I understand. If it's too expensive for you, I understand. But it makes total sense to me why it's priced at what it is even without all the extra figures. If it was being produced at 100,000 units, then $400 would make less sense. But it isn't. It's being produced at a minimum of 5,000 units if it gets funded. The cost makes sense to me. These comparison pictures really show how high quality it is
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personagamer
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Post by personagamer on Apr 14, 2023 8:22:10 GMT -5
The problem is figures no one asked for like Warrior from what's been known as his first match and Hogan when they just released one that maybe would have made people buy this in the legends line, Bash At The Beach Hogan is more iconic than a hogan we've seen 5 times minimal change speak for yourself...Nitro Debut Warrior and Hogan were figures I certainly wanted just pick up one of the 5 similar Hogans they made
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Post by Rocket_Fuel_Merchant on Apr 14, 2023 8:24:18 GMT -5
speak for yourself...Nitro Debut Warrior and Hogan were figures I certainly wanted just pick up one of the 5 similar Hogans they made Have a bunch of them...none of them have that headscan, bandana, shirt, wristbands, or title belt...but yeah
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personagamer
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Post by personagamer on Apr 14, 2023 8:27:30 GMT -5
just pick up one of the 5 similar Hogans they made Have a bunch of them...none of them have that headscan, bandana, shirt, wristbands, or title belt...but yeah so people are wrong for wanting unique Ultimates like we got with the new gen arena
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Post by Rocket_Fuel_Merchant on Apr 14, 2023 8:36:09 GMT -5
Have a bunch of them...none of them have that headscan, bandana, shirt, wristbands, or title belt...but yeah so people are wrong for wanting unique Ultimates like we got with the new gen arena Wrong? No...pretty childish for making such a big deal about what amounts to a throw in Ultimate Edition figure that while similar in design contains a new head scan, new soft goods, new title belt, etc? I'd say yeah
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Post by MKSavage on Apr 14, 2023 8:50:53 GMT -5
The problem is figures no one asked for like Warrior from what's been known as his first match and Hogan when they just released one that maybe would have made people buy this in the legends line, Bash At The Beach Hogan is more iconic than a hogan we've seen 5 times minimal change Actually, people on this forum at least have been asking for a Warrior from the Nitro's when he wore the duster and jeans. That one has actually been requested quite a bit. And people did request a WCW red and yellow Hogan as well. I think the only problem with this figure is that we have had a lot of Hogan's released lately, but this still has a few new items to make it somewhat different. Had they not released any red and yellow WCW Hogan's prior to this launch, I don't think people would be complaining as much.
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personagamer
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Post by personagamer on Apr 14, 2023 8:52:33 GMT -5
so people are wrong for wanting unique Ultimates like we got with the new gen arena Wrong? No...pretty childish for making such a big deal about what amounts to a throw in Ultimate Edition figure that while similar in design contains a new head scan, new soft goods, new title belt, etc? I'd say yeah if people were that interested in Hogan people would have backed it but guess what it didn't happen, lets see who was the last Ultimate Early Back Bonus, Ultimate Macho with a unique look which wouuld have been the only way for this figur, announce table chairs and microphone, where as Hogan would have just been another boring T-Shirt. They could have followed the Macho Man and gave us a Ultimate Heenan with announce table and chairs
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Post by Rocket_Fuel_Merchant on Apr 14, 2023 9:13:19 GMT -5
Wrong? No...pretty childish for making such a big deal about what amounts to a throw in Ultimate Edition figure that while similar in design contains a new head scan, new soft goods, new title belt, etc? I'd say yeah if people were that interested in Hogan people would have backed it but guess what it didn't happen, lets see who was the last Ultimate Early Back Bonus, Ultimate Macho with a unique look which wouuld have been the only way for this figur, announce table chairs and microphone, where as Hogan would have just been another boring T-Shirt. They could have followed the Macho Man and gave us a Ultimate Heenan with announce table and chairs I'd say more people balked at the high price than anything else. I don't really take issue with people being interested or not in the Hogan figure. What I take issue with is when people say "nobody" wanted the figure, or try to say its the same figure as something we already got.
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Post by scotthitman1 on Apr 14, 2023 19:00:09 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but I can't justify it unless I was GUARANTEED all of the figures with it
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Post by secondwhiteline on Apr 14, 2023 22:23:28 GMT -5
It's a fantastic offering, but one of the things I wonder is how many people balked because of the size. This is something I wonder about with other giant vehicle/Galactus-sized figure crowdfunds, too. How many people don't buy in because they just don't have the space, or have a house full of children and pets that make a huge, expensive display piece kind of a bad idea?
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Post by NoseBleedcollectibles on Apr 14, 2023 22:39:10 GMT -5
It's a fantastic offering, but one of the things I wonder is how many people balked because of the size. This is something I wonder about with other giant vehicle/Galactus-sized figure crowdfunds, too. How many people don't buy in because they just don't have the space, or have a house full of children and pets that make a huge, expensive display piece kind of a bad idea? It's modular u can break it down which is what I plan to do
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Post by secondwhiteline on Apr 14, 2023 22:51:29 GMT -5
It's a fantastic offering, but one of the things I wonder is how many people balked because of the size. This is something I wonder about with other giant vehicle/Galactus-sized figure crowdfunds, too. How many people don't buy in because they just don't have the space, or have a house full of children and pets that make a huge, expensive display piece kind of a bad idea? It's modular u can break it down which is what I plan to do
Which is helpful, but then you're still going to get a lot of people asking themselves why they're buying a display piece that they won't actually have on display.
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Post by GreyHaze:Big Bad Booty Daddy on Apr 14, 2023 22:58:36 GMT -5
It's modular u can break it down which is what I plan to do Which is helpful, but then you're still going to get a lot of people asking themselves why they're buying a display piece that they won't actually have on display.
Easy, display it when you want to and put it away when you don't want it accumulating space. I plan on displaying the front piece on my shelf and then when in use, figuring out a set up to recreate the Nitro stage when it was sideways from the ring.
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Post by SteveHulk on Apr 14, 2023 23:01:59 GMT -5
For $400 and 2 guaranteed UE figures, I definitely think the stage is worth it. It's just not something that interests me enough though... especially with the added international cost.
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Post by Rocket_Fuel_Merchant on Apr 14, 2023 23:42:54 GMT -5
It's modular u can break it down which is what I plan to do
Which is helpful, but then you're still going to get a lot of people asking themselves why they're buying a display piece that they won't actually have on display.
It breaks down enough to display on a standard size shelf...so for anyone that has figures displayed on a shelf, out the stage on the shelf, figs on the stage...
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Post by stc13 on Apr 15, 2023 10:15:56 GMT -5
Which is helpful, but then you're still going to get a lot of people asking themselves why they're buying a display piece that they won't actually have on display.
Easy, display it when you want to and put it away when you don't want it accumulating space. I plan on displaying the front piece on my shelf and then when in use, figuring out a set up to recreate the Nitro stage when it was sideways from the ring. I've spent waaaaaay more on Christmas decorations that are up for a month of the year. I'm going to rotate it in and out of my display a few times a year. Totally worth it for me.
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