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Post by kgchampion on Apr 18, 2023 14:28:38 GMT -5
Why do people continue to compare this to the New Gen crowdfund? And how it had this many backers at this point, then it surpassed goal, then it had this many more at the end.... They key thing to keep in mind is that it was half the price! And it had both an entrance stage AND a ring! It was also more affordable to some, or even most.Ā I completely understand both sides. Trust me, I love this thing and at the moment, I'm on the fence. But the Backers, jeez, I understand you guys want this bad, understandably so. But chill with the bashing of those who either don't care for it or simply can't afford it. And it seems that a big reason the overseas collectors aren't backing is because of shipping costs and fees. You can't be mad or blame anyone for the reasons stated. Just my 2 cents Ā Iām the only one I see bringing up how the New Gen Arena went and Iām doing so in response to the people who keep saying this is hopeless. The previous crowdfund campaign followed the same trend as this one and funded on the last day. Iām tired of the constant āThis project is deadā talk because I had to listen to the same thing last time and it funded. So to say the same thing about this one is premature based on history. That was my entire point And for the record, Iām not backing this because I canāt afford it. Iām merely trying to counter the negativity of people constantly saying itās a bust when itās not over yet. Because I want this thing to succeed, even though Iām not backing it. And Iām not criticizing people who choose not to or are unable to back. BECAUSE I AM ONE OF THEM. |
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Post by šÆULTIMATEšÆ on Apr 18, 2023 17:29:18 GMT -5
Why do people continue to compare this to the New Gen crowdfund? And how it had this many backers at this point, then it surpassed goal, then it had this many more at the end.... They key thing to keep in mind is that it was half the price! And it had both an entrance stage AND a ring! It was also more affordable to some, or even most.Ā I completely understand both sides. Trust me, I love this thing and at the moment, I'm on the fence. But the Backers, jeez, I understand you guys want this bad, understandably so. But chill with the bashing of those who either don't care for it or simply can't afford it. And it seems that a big reason the overseas collectors aren't backing is because of shipping costs and fees. You can't be mad or blame anyone for the reasons stated. Just my 2 cents Ā Iām the only one I see bringing up how the New Gen Arena went and Iām doing so in response to the people who keep saying this is hopeless. The previous crowdfund campaign followed the same trend as this one and funded on the last day. Iām tired of the constant āThis project is deadā talk because I had to listen to the same thing last time and it funded. So to say the same thing about this one is premature based on history. That was my entire point And for the record, Iām not backing this because I canāt afford it. Iām merely trying to counter the negativity of people constantly saying itās a bust when itās not over yet. Because I want this thing to succeed, even though Iām not backing it. And Iām not criticizing people who choose not to or are unable to back. BECAUSE I AM ONE OF THEM. Dude, my post was not about you. There are plenty of other people saying the same thing. So no need to assure me that you can afford it. But to my point, you are not interested in it, as I also stated above. Weird that out of all possible reasons I listed you singled out ācan't afford itā But since you did assume and reply,ā¦. To say that youāre not backing it but yet you want it to succeed is contradicting and makes your point invalid. |
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Post by SteveHulk on Apr 18, 2023 23:09:18 GMT -5
Iām the only one I see bringing up how the New Gen Arena went and Iām doing so in response to the people who keep saying this is hopeless. The previous crowdfund campaign followed the same trend as this one and funded on the last day. Iām tired of the constant āThis project is deadā talk because I had to listen to the same thing last time and it funded. So to say the same thing about this one is premature based on history. That was my entire point And for the record, Iām not backing this because I canāt afford it. Iām merely trying to counter the negativity of people constantly saying itās a bust when itās not over yet. Because I want this thing to succeed, even though Iām not backing it. And Iām not criticizing people who choose not to or are unable to back. BECAUSE I AM ONE OF THEM. Dude, my post was not about you. There are plenty of other people saying the same thing. So no need to assure me that you can afford it. But to my point, you are not interested in it, as I also stated above. Weird that out of all possible reasons I listed you singled out ācan't afford itā But since you did assume and reply,ā¦. To say that youāre not backing it but yet you want it to succeed is contradicting and makes your point invalid....not really: just because someone isn't backing it, it doesn't mean they don't want it to succeed. |
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Post by šÆULTIMATEšÆ on Apr 19, 2023 6:15:03 GMT -5
Dude, my post was not about you. There are plenty of other people saying the same thing. So no need to assure me that you can afford it. But to my point, you are not interested in it, as I also stated above. Weird that out of all possible reasons I listed you singled out ācan't afford itā But since you did assume and reply,ā¦. To say that youāre not backing it but yet you want it to succeed is contradicting and makes your point invalid....not really: just because someone isn't backing it, it doesn't mean they don't want it to succeed. If I want something to succeed I'll do my part. Now if he said, "I hope it succeeds for those who want it" that would be different. Maybe it's how he worded it. But as is, agree to disagree |
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Post by kutzheels on Apr 19, 2023 6:26:52 GMT -5
Iām the only one I see bringing up how the New Gen Arena went and Iām doing so in response to the people who keep saying this is hopeless. The previous crowdfund campaign followed the same trend as this one and funded on the last day. Iām tired of the constant āThis project is deadā talk because I had to listen to the same thing last time and it funded. So to say the same thing about this one is premature based on history. That was my entire point And for the record, Iām not backing this because I canāt afford it. Iām merely trying to counter the negativity of people constantly saying itās a bust when itās not over yet. Because I want this thing to succeed, even though Iām not backing it. And Iām not criticizing people who choose not to or are unable to back. BECAUSE I AM ONE OF THEM. Dude, my post was not about you. There are plenty of other people saying the same thing. So no need to assure me that you can afford it. But to my point, you are not interested in it, as I also stated above. Weird that out of all possible reasons I listed you singled out ācan't afford itā But since you did assume and reply,ā¦. To say that youāre not backing it but yet you want it to succeed is contradicting and makes your point invalid. The one misconception repeated is the New Gen ring funded on the last day. It funded on the last day of the early bird Macho Man. That deadline already passed for this set and it was barely 40%. I know Mattel pivoted some but itās really apples to oranges trying to compare the 2 sets and funding trends |
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Post by PJ on Apr 19, 2023 6:56:07 GMT -5
Iām the only one I see bringing up how the New Gen Arena went and Iām doing so in response to the people who keep saying this is hopeless. The previous crowdfund campaign followed the same trend as this one and funded on the last day. Iām tired of the constant āThis project is deadā talk because I had to listen to the same thing last time and it funded. So to say the same thing about this one is premature based on history. That was my entire point And for the record, Iām not backing this because I canāt afford it. Iām merely trying to counter the negativity of people constantly saying itās a bust when itās not over yet. Because I want this thing to succeed, even though Iām not backing it. And Iām not criticizing people who choose not to or are unable to back. BECAUSE I AM ONE OF THEM. Dude, my post was not about you. There are plenty of other people saying the same thing. So no need to assure me that you can afford it. But to my point, you are not interested in it, as I also stated above. Weird that out of all possible reasons I listed you singled out ācan't afford itā But since you did assume and reply,ā¦. To say that youāre not backing it but yet you want it to succeed is contradicting and makes your point invalid.That doesnāt hold. I didnāt want or back the New Generation set. But I did want it to succeed for those who did. And thereās been plenty of figures on peopleās wish lists I personally would never add to my collectionā¦but I do want them made for those who do want them. |
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Post by šÆULTIMATEšÆ on Apr 19, 2023 7:55:43 GMT -5
Dude, my post was not about you. There are plenty of other people saying the same thing. So no need to assure me that you can afford it. But to my point, you are not interested in it, as I also stated above. Weird that out of all possible reasons I listed you singled out ācan't afford itā But since you did assume and reply,ā¦. To say that youāre not backing it but yet you want it to succeed is contradicting and makes your point invalid.That doesnāt hold. I didnāt want or back the New Generation set. But I did want it to succeed for those who did. And thereās been plenty of figures on peopleās wish lists I personally would never add to my collectionā¦but I do want them made for those who do want them. Pj, youāre echoing what Hulk just said. Wanting something to succeed means doing your part to ensure that it does. Assuming money isnāt the issue, then back it and then sell it after. That will be your contribution to its success. As two of you already expressed interest in its succession. I donāt know if any of you are parents but if you want your child to succeed, are you going to contribute and do your part so that your child does? Or are you going to sit back, cross your fingers and only say the words āI want you to succeedā without any contribution? By no means am I telling anyone to back it or not to. But saying āwant it to succeedā holds a lot of weight. |
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Post by PJ on Apr 19, 2023 8:18:23 GMT -5
That doesnāt hold. I didnāt want or back the New Generation set. But I did want it to succeed for those who did. And thereās been plenty of figures on peopleās wish lists I personally would never add to my collectionā¦but I do want them made for those who do want them. Pj, youāre echoing what Hulk just said. Wanting something to succeed means doing your part to ensure that it does. Assuming money isnāt the issue, then back it and then sell it after. That will be your contribution to its success. As two of you already expressed interest in its succession. I donāt know if any of you are parents but if you want your child to succeed, are you going to contribute and do your part so that your child does? Or are you going to sit back, cross your fingers and only say the words āI want you to succeedā without any contribution? By no means am I telling anyone to back it or not to. But saying āwant it to succeedā holds a lot of weight. Again you can want something to succeed without wanting it for yourself. As for the Nitro stage I did back it. Last year when they revealed the New Generation I said a WCW set would be the only one I would ever back. Wishing and hoping it succeeds for those who want it doesnāt mean you buying something you donāt want to make it happen. It means you hope it reaches the numbers needed to succeed when all those who do want it purchase it. Why should someone buy something they donāt and then have to go through the headache of trying to sell it to get their money back? |
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Post by šÆULTIMATEšÆ on Apr 19, 2023 8:25:00 GMT -5
Pj, youāre echoing what Hulk just said. Wanting something to succeed means doing your part to ensure that it does. Assuming money isnāt the issue, then back it and then sell it after. That will be your contribution to its success. As two of you already expressed interest in its succession. I donāt know if any of you are parents but if you want your child to succeed, are you going to contribute and do your part so that your child does? Or are you going to sit back, cross your fingers and only say the words āI want you to succeedā without any contribution? By no means am I telling anyone to back it or not to. But saying āwant it to succeedā holds a lot of weight. Again you can want something to succeed without wanting it for yourself. As for the Nitro stage I did back it. Last year when they revealed the New Generation I said a WCW set would be the only one I would ever back. Wishing and hoping it succeeds for those who want it doesnāt mean you buying something you donāt want to make it happen. It means you hope it reaches the numbers needed to succeed when all those who do want it purchase it. Why should someone buy something they donāt and then have to go through the headache of trying to sell it to get their money back? BINGO! "Why should someone buy something they donāt and then have to go through the headache of trying to sell it to get their money back?" ....To help in its success! |
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Post by PJ on Apr 19, 2023 8:34:52 GMT -5
Again you can want something to succeed without wanting it for yourself. As for the Nitro stage I did back it. Last year when they revealed the New Generation I said a WCW set would be the only one I would ever back. Wishing and hoping it succeeds for those who want it doesnāt mean you buying something you donāt want to make it happen. It means you hope it reaches the numbers needed to succeed when all those who do want it purchase it. Why should someone buy something they donāt and then have to go through the headache of trying to sell it to get their money back? BINGO! "Why should someone buy something they donāt and then have to go through the headache of trying to sell it to get their money back?" ....To help in its success! Just because someone wish/hope it reaches its goals doesnāt mean they need to support. It means they hope enough people who do want it back it. |
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Post by šÆULTIMATEšÆ on Apr 19, 2023 8:39:31 GMT -5
BINGO! "Why should someone buy something they donāt and then have to go through the headache of trying to sell it to get their money back?" ....To help in its success! Just because someone wish/hope it reaches its goals doesnāt mean they need to support. It means they hope enough people who do want it back it. Thatās exactly my point! āWish/hopeā is different than āwantā Read back a few and youāll see that what you just said is exactly what I have been saying this whole time |
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Post by PJ on Apr 19, 2023 8:49:14 GMT -5
Itās really not though. They wish/hope/want are all the same in this case. Just like you can want/wish/hope bodily harm is inflicted on someone, but not be the one to cause it.
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Post by legendsguy on Apr 19, 2023 8:58:41 GMT -5
i think the price point is too high with 1 figure included. The Rey is ok, but it doesnt draw me in and wanna spend $400 plus shipping and tax. which is more like $500. The stage is cool, and looks terrific, however im sure alot of people will not have the space or set up to display it , use it, etc... thats prob the other sticking point for most. if they included the Rey with another figure like the Stiener or DDP or even Warrior, it would prob move more. i may fund it if it gets close to 5k but it looks highly doubtful this gets done. I've probably seen a thousand ppl say that if it gets close to 5000 they'll fund it. And Steiner is included with Rey and all the tiers have been lowered. i havent been on to the page in a few days , so no idea they lowered it or included anything. thats a plus then. they shouldve done that from the start. |
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Post by legendsguy on Apr 19, 2023 8:59:38 GMT -5
i think the price point is too high with 1 figure included. The Rey is ok, but it doesnt draw me in and wanna spend $400 plus shipping and tax. which is more like $500. The stage is cool, and looks terrific, however im sure alot of people will not have the space or set up to display it , use it, etc... thats prob the other sticking point for most. if they included the Rey with another figure like the Stiener or DDP or even Warrior, it would prob move more. i may fund it if it gets close to 5k but it looks highly doubtful this gets done. Steiner is included with Rey and the stage. All at 5000. And since they made the change theyāve had about 60 more backers in 4 days. good , i knew that would help move it more. thanks for the update. |
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Post by ChuckPOORis55 Cody Gang 4 Lyfe on Apr 19, 2023 14:17:58 GMT -5
Dude, my post was not about you. There are plenty of other people saying the same thing. So no need to assure me that you can afford it. But to my point, you are not interested in it, as I also stated above. Weird that out of all possible reasons I listed you singled out ācan't afford itā But since you did assume and reply,ā¦. To say that youāre not backing it but yet you want it to succeed is contradicting and makes your point invalid. The one misconception repeated is the New Gen ring funded on the last day. It funded on the last day of the early bird Macho Man. That deadline already passed for this set and it was barely 40%. I know Mattel pivoted some but itās really apples to oranges trying to compare the 2 sets and funding trends When the rocket took off for the New Gen Arena it was at 60% as well, that part also keeps getting skipped over when people say they have the same trajectory, objectively this is doing significantly worse. |
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Post by BĆRNS on Apr 19, 2023 15:32:43 GMT -5
I have no problem with the price, especially with the figures included. The reason why I won't be buying this is because I'm not a WCW fan and I believe a WCW stage is among the WORST choices to test a crowdfunded stage of this kind. Very strange choice to put so much faith in a project like this when it's a WWE LICENSE with 40 years choices to make a WWE stage that would have more appeal to the audience, in my opinion.
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Post by BĆRNS on Apr 19, 2023 15:44:32 GMT -5
The one misconception repeated is the New Gen ring funded on the last day. It funded on the last day of the early bird Macho Man. That deadline already passed for this set and it was barely 40%. I know Mattel pivoted some but itās really apples to oranges trying to compare the 2 sets and funding trends When the rocket took off for the New Gen Arena it was at 60% as well, that part also keeps getting skipped over when people say they have the same trajectory, objectively this is doing significantly worse. This is doing worse because they chose the WCW stage instead of dozens of other choices. My top stage choices would have been either the 2004 Raw stage (with lightning bolts) or Smackdown fist/glass stage. I promise if they had done either of those it would have funded so fast. Those are the childhood stages of people who have money for sh-t like this now, and who are having kids who play with figures to continue the brand. Very poor and confusing choice to bet the farm on. |
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Post by ryno on Apr 19, 2023 16:50:36 GMT -5
Here's my issues with this crowdfund,I backed last year's without hesitation (and I didn't grow up in the newgen era), I did however grow up during the Monday night wars so SHOULD be all over this: 1) Price, Ā£509 / $633 is just too high for a stage. We Brits really do get scr*wed on pricing here. 2) LEDs - with 100 of these, how easy will these be to replace / what will be the longevity of this set? The newgen stage was much simpler and still had limited issues with the LEDs. I can see the nitro stage being a big issue unless QC is ramped up a notch. 3) Features - I realise the licensing issues, but c'mon the music was KEY in this era, this playset needed some entrance tunes at this pricetag. Remember titantron live / TTL? We're nigh-on 30 years on, we should be able to blow that out of the water at this point. 4) The figure selection is poor. Adding Steiner to the base offering, whilst a move in the right direction, is still too little too late IMO: - The Rey is boring - elite 100 is far more interesting. - DDP, as everyone has said, shouldve been jeans / bandaged. Putting in jeans warrior adds insult to injury. - Steiner is great, shame no "S" logo and wrong boots, but otherwise solid. - Warrior has his fans but is unnecessary imo, the least toyetic attire of one of the most toyetic wrestlers. - And the Hogan is just a minor variation on the Amazon Takeover one. Reminds me of Smithers in the Simpsons on the new malibu Stacey - but she's got a new hat! Lol Would love to justify the cost but just can't. Hopefully next time they strike a better balance. I think personally, for me to back it, I'd've needed: Tier 1 - stage with UE Outsiders Tier 2 - Jeans DDP (and I'd've backed here if it reached this tier) Any further tiers a bonus at that point, maybe keep in Steiner at 3. My 2 cents  |
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Post by CM Tusk on Apr 19, 2023 18:32:17 GMT -5
Weāve full circled, for at least the fifth time, to āIt should have beenā¦.ā
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Post by ryno on Apr 20, 2023 1:19:23 GMT -5
Weāve full circled, for at least the fifth time, to āIt should have beenā¦.ā Apart from the DDP, I actually haven't said what it should've been at all. That's what I'd've personally wanted to see, in order for me to be able to back it. Interesting to see what other collectors would've wanted to see too. Hopefully other posts like these do provide some useful detailed feedback for Mattel, beyond the current numbers which are still woefully short, with Steiner having been added to the base offering, and now being down to almost 2 weeks. |
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