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Post by kgchampion on Apr 13, 2023 15:33:11 GMT -5
And a certain figure company must’ve bought those molds and are now selling a stripped down version of the 2 in 1 stage for $130. I’ve seen that and they don’t appear to be the same molds. Just a knock-off version of it. Honestly, the width, depth, and height is something I’d like to see Mattel do. I’m interested in that stage because I like stages, but that’s a stiff price. I do think the actual stage is a little too high, though, and I’d prefer a longer ramp. |
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Post by newgenandy on Apr 13, 2023 15:48:50 GMT -5
And a certain figure company must’ve bought those molds and are now selling a stripped down version of the 2 in 1 stage for $130. I’ve seen that and they don’t appear to be the same molds. Just a knock-off version of it. Honestly, the width, depth, and height is something I’d like to see Mattel do. I’m interested in that stage because I like stages, but that’s a stiff price. I do think the actual stage is a little too high, though, and I’d prefer a longer ramp. I think there’s a nice middle ground between the nitro stage and the smaller ‘budget’ stage. For example if the nitro stage is 1:1 scale and the budget stage is let’s say 0.25:1 then maybe a 0.5:1 scale |
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Apr 13, 2023 15:55:17 GMT -5
And a certain figure company must’ve bought those molds and are now selling a stripped down version of the 2 in 1 stage for $130. I’ve seen that and they don’t appear to be the same molds. Just a knock-off version of it. Honestly, the width, depth, and height is something I’d like to see Mattel do. I’m interested in that stage because I like stages, but that’s a stiff price. I do think the actual stage is a little too high, though, and I’d prefer a longer ramp. They may have made some tweaks to it but there’s definitely some reuse of the old Mattel stage. |
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Post by newgenandy on Apr 13, 2023 16:06:59 GMT -5
I’ve seen that and they don’t appear to be the same molds. Just a knock-off version of it. Honestly, the width, depth, and height is something I’d like to see Mattel do. I’m interested in that stage because I like stages, but that’s a stiff price. I do think the actual stage is a little too high, though, and I’d prefer a longer ramp. They may have made some tweaks to it but there’s definitely some reuse of the old Mattel stage. Obviously the moulds are big hunks of metal but I assumed after production the company either pays to store them at the factory / factory warehouse or they get recycled / melted back down and the reused for new tooling? I didn’t think they got sold on once they’d been used snd no longer needed by the company who made them |
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Post by kgchampion on Apr 13, 2023 16:21:53 GMT -5
I’ve seen that and they don’t appear to be the same molds. Just a knock-off version of it. Honestly, the width, depth, and height is something I’d like to see Mattel do. I’m interested in that stage because I like stages, but that’s a stiff price. I do think the actual stage is a little too high, though, and I’d prefer a longer ramp. They may have made some tweaks to it but there’s definitely some reuse of the old Mattel stage. I agree with the similarities, but I think it’s just a case of Chinese knockoffs aping an existing design. But I could be wrong. |
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Apr 13, 2023 16:23:44 GMT -5
They may have made some tweaks to it but there’s definitely some reuse of the old Mattel stage. Obviously the moulds are big hunks of metal but I assumed after production the company either pays to store them at the factory / factory warehouse or they get recycled / melted back down and the reused for new tooling? I didn’t think they got sold on once they’d been used snd no longer needed by the company who made them Theres been instances where old molds have been bought. That toy company uses Jakks old molds or did for a while. WCT used Mattel’s Elite Scale Ring molds for their Authentic Scale Ring. |
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Post by PJ on Apr 13, 2023 16:26:42 GMT -5
Obviously the moulds are big hunks of metal but I assumed after production the company either pays to store them at the factory / factory warehouse or they get recycled / melted back down and the reused for new tooling? I didn’t think they got sold on once they’d been used snd no longer needed by the company who made them Theres been instances where old molds have been bought. That toy company uses Jakks old molds or did for a while. WCT used Mattel’s Elite Scale Ring molds for their Authentic Scale Ring. Kenner/Hasbro Batcave was released as a TRU exclusive by Mattel with an Alfred. But the Batcave was the old Kenner/Hasbro one. Mattel might have released the Hasbro BtAS Batmobile and Batplane as well during the first year they had the DC license. |
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Post by kgchampion on Apr 13, 2023 16:29:19 GMT -5
I’ve seen that and they don’t appear to be the same molds. Just a knock-off version of it. Honestly, the width, depth, and height is something I’d like to see Mattel do. I’m interested in that stage because I like stages, but that’s a stiff price. I do think the actual stage is a little too high, though, and I’d prefer a longer ramp. I think there’s a nice middle ground between the nitro stage and the smaller ‘budget’ stage. For example if the nitro stage is 1:1 scale and the budget stage is let’s say 0.25:1 then maybe a 0.5:1 scale I whole heartedly agree with this. I need a scale ring, or at least as close to scale as possible because the basic rings are too small and you can’t even suplex a guy without them ending up in the ropes. Those LED rings Mattel made were the perfect width, but the posts were too short. But stages are different. I don’t need a perfect scale stage. I just need something wide enough that a 5-member faction can stand shoulder to shoulder, deep enough that two tag teams can fight on stage, the stage is high enough off the ground to be at least level with a breakable table for hardcore action, and the tron high enough that if someone falls off it, they die. |
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Post by AttitudeLegendCollector on Apr 13, 2023 16:29:55 GMT -5
I think the stage is fantastic and I can appreciate its costings, I’m just not a WCW guy really.
If I was a WCW guy, I’d be extremely annoyed as a UL collector having to pay ridiculously more than necessary with no currency conversion and badly guessed tax/postage additional costs.
I’d very much like this to get backed for people who really want it but I hope for the next one (assuming we get one) they sort out the international costs.
If they did the RAW set next, I would feel a need for it but I actually think there’s a lot more to the WCW stage. RAW set up was actually very basic and had very little detail and lighting and I’d be expecting it to cost less than this WCW one full of detail, intricacies and lights.
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Post by voicesinmyhead on Apr 13, 2023 16:40:56 GMT -5
I want to make sure my original point in making this thread is clear. It took me a long time to make, so I may have forgotten some of the points I wanted to make. I’m just looking at the sticker price. I’m not taking into account shipping costs. I understand the overseas shipping is absurdly high for whatever reason. My point is there is no way the stage Mattel is showing us can be made for less than $400 at 5,000 minimum units without taking a bath. If they were running it at 100,000 units maybe they could come down on the price because manufacturers are likely to cut a deal per unit when the production volume is high enough. But this is a limited run item where every piece needs new tooling. But at 5,000 units, Mattel is not going to be getting any volume deals on this thing. For those of you saying it should cost $200, how? I showed you two stages that were $50 with a fraction of the detail and half the size and were manufactured on a scale to be released in numbers that put it on the shelves of stores all over the world. I think you don’t realize how expensive it is to make a limited run item. Maybe you’re confusing a mass retail product with a boutique item. I’m not trying to argue whether or not the item has any value TO YOU. I’m trying to argue why the $400 price tag makes logical sense in terms of the cost to produce the item at the volume needed to fund the project. If you don’t want it, don’t back it. If you can’t justify spending that much, that’s a different story. I never said, “This is why you should spend $400 on this.” I said, “This is why I think the price tag is appropriate for the item in question.” And lastly, I can’t even afford this. I want it, but it’s not feasible for me to buy right now. So I have to pass. But I can still look at that stage, look at the minimum number of orders needed to green light it, look at the price tag, and say, “Yeah, that makes sense.” Agree 100% |
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Post by rastlinfigures on Apr 13, 2023 16:43:00 GMT -5
What it actually costs to develop and produce a product like this stage is pretty objective, and $400 is the probably the price Mattel thought accounted for both their objective costs and their subjective acceptable profit margin. What is highly subjective is if the stage is worth $400 to an individual potential consumer. I can very much afford to cough up $400 just for this stage (it is not an issue of affordability for me personally), and I was a big 90's WCW mark. I very much love this stage - however, I just personally cannot justify paying $400 for it and one Ultimate Edition figure. I am hoping that all of the figures that can be unlocked at this point are unlocked (I backed this early to get the Hogan). If most if not all of the figures that can still be unlocked are not unlocked, I am heavily leaning toward cancelling my order prior to the campaign ending.
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Post by Papi Joker on Apr 13, 2023 17:48:27 GMT -5
$400 x 5,000 is $2 million USD
Plus the international fees.....
Just a thought...
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Post by micco on Apr 13, 2023 18:40:25 GMT -5
$400 x 5,000 is $2 million USD Plus the international fees..... Just a thought... Cool. But what does that have to do with anything thing? Do you know how much it costs to produce this item? What if it costs 1.75 mil? Do you think a 12.5 percent profit margin should be acceptable for a company of this size? What are your thoughts on that? Feel free to speculate but please explain your reasoning if you do. I’m genuinely curious what people are thinking. |
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Post by figdrip on Apr 13, 2023 20:19:29 GMT -5
Nah still isn’t worth $400. Figures retail for $30 a pop, I got a hard time believing the stage would cost $280 to produce, and that would be at max backers with all figures.... never mind the lackluster attire choices. First of all, Ultimates don't retail for $30 a pop. That's just lying...Additionally, this isn't a charity that Mattel is running. At 5-11k units this is a ridiculously small run item for a company like Mattel. At 11k units produced, that wouldn't even be enough for each Target and Walmart in the US to get 2 units, and that doesn't include anyone internationally. Even if it costs $250 to produce, Mattel needs to turn a profit You’re right most get put on clearance or rot on shelf’s until there is sales and go below $30 a pop. |
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Post by figdrip on Apr 13, 2023 20:22:21 GMT -5
Ultimates are $35 and change at the Targets around here. Targets got plenty of sales to take advantage of also your choice to live in a state where you pay sales tax. |
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Post by kiphouse on Apr 13, 2023 20:22:42 GMT -5
Its not gonna fly. However they thought it would is beyond me. Even with the 5 figures its super whomp whomp.
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Post by wrestlingfan2011 on Apr 13, 2023 20:31:00 GMT -5
$400 for the WCW stage makes sense to me and here's why. Here is the very first entrance stage Mattel made. It is not in scale. It was mass-produced around 2011 or 2012 and exclusive to K-Mart. I think it retailed for $50. It has a few sound clips from a speaker in the stage that sound pretty bad and some lights in the main tron. It's largely made up of big hunks of plastic with very little detail. It's got some moveable lights on the stage. The main tron is a sticker of John Cena and the mini trons are clear with flimsy pieces of paper with a backdrop printed on one side inserted. The headboard on the top is cardboard. You can barely line the Kliq up along the stage. I personally love this toy, but it's not very wide. This is the entrance stage equivalent to Mattel's basic $20 rings.   Again, that stage had enough inventory produced to ideally stock every Kmart in the U.S. back when K-Marts were all over the country. The next stage Mattel made was not a store exclusive. It was produced for mass retail and stocked in Target, Walmart, Toys R Us, Amazon, RSC, anywhere willing to give the shelf space for it. I think I got it at Target for $50. It had even less detail than the Kmart stage. The sound feature is gone. It's got a couple LEDs at the base of the mini trons. Even the sculpted lights on the sides of the stage no longer move. Some hokey breakaway features were added for the kids. The mini trons are just blank, clear plastic. No stickers on them. The main tron is a card board picture of Cena. The main feature of this is that you can put a tablet in the tron and play entrance videos from an app Mattel made. That's a pretty brilliant feature. And there's a piece of cardboard on top you can flip around that says Raw/Smackdown on either side. Again, you can barely fit enough figures on this. Both of these toy entrance stages are the same width and nearly the same depth and height, although the second one is slightly shorter than the K-Mart one.   So these previous stages mass retailed for $50. I'm guessing at least a hundred thousand units produced each. They were bare bones. They were fairly tall, but no where near in scale. And they were maybe a foot and a half wide. Now compare that to the WCW stage from the crowdfund. Loaded to the gills with tons of LEDs everywhere. Spotlights. Fabric banners attached to highly detailed trusses. The detail in the diamond-patterned WCW letters is exquisite. Those letters themselves are massive and taller than the figures. The trusses that make up the entrance arch are highly detailed compared to the trusses on previous entrance stages. There's a little chain-link fence behind the entrance arch with a small, highly detailed WCW Monday Nitro logo. The grating on the floor and ramp looks like actual grating. The entire stage is 3.3ft wide. You could put the two entrance stages above side-by-side and the WCW stage will be wider. The thing is massive and every inch is packed with realistic detail.    Considering that first two entrance stages I showed were mass retail releases that are comparatively small with very little detail, I think it makes perfect sense that the size, the amount of detail, and the electronics being put into the WCW stage earns its $400 price tag for 5,000 units minimum produced. If it's too big for you, I understand. If it's too expensive for you, I understand. But it makes total sense to me why it's priced at what it is even without all the extra figures. If it was being produced at 100,000 units, then $400 would make less sense. But it isn't. It's being produced at a minimum of 5,000 units if it gets funded. The cost makes sense to me. I gotta say I agree with you 100% when something is less produced it cost more. It's like cars if you see the Bugatti it cost so much because they are low produced over Toyota that as massive produce. That is an easy example for something we can get funded. So lets back this up and make it happen. |
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Post by Rocket_Fuel_Merchant on Apr 13, 2023 23:18:06 GMT -5
Ultimates are $35 and change at the Targets around here. Targets got plenty of sales to take advantage of also your choice to live in a state where you pay sales tax. You can't factor sales discounts when you're talking about the MSRP of a product... |
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Post by powerfred3k on Apr 14, 2023 0:10:14 GMT -5
It’s worth $200 imo, I just don’t have a need or room for it. I had a friend that was going to go almost half with me and he get the stage and I the figures, depending on if it all got unlocked or not. But he since backed his own and I don’t think everything will be unlocked so I’ll probably back out, because I’m not paying hundreds for a stage that I could possibly sell later but probably not for what I would want to in order to justify a good price for the figures. like if it came with rey and steiner I would at most want to value them at like $50 each so I would want to sell the stage for like $350 shipped and I just don’t know how that would go lol if that makes sense Find me one company that can make this exact stage at 5,000 pieces and sell it for $200. See, you’re confusing value with your interest. You personally are not willing to spend more than $200 and that’s your choice. However, you would never find an item like this for $200. Sorry. You simply cannot produce 5,000 pieces of this stage and sell it for less than that. Steve said the same himself. You’re letting your own opinion of what you would pay discredit actual facts. If my assessment is wrong why are there only 2,021 Backers with 22 days left. So unless rsc orders a few thousand of these its not looking good. |
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Post by Mark Martin on Apr 14, 2023 1:57:30 GMT -5
I would gladly pay $400 for just the stage. I understand some people would want nothing to do with this if it's just the stage, but me personally growing up a massive WCW fan from 97 to 2000 makes this something I'd crime for.
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