powerfred3k
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Post by powerfred3k on Apr 15, 2023 12:58:00 GMT -5
If my assessment is wrong why are there only 2,021 Backers with 22 days left. So unless rsc orders a few thousand of these its not looking good. There aren’t many backers for multiple reasons, but I am sure that there are many (like you) that can’t justify spending $400 on a toy. And that’s completely understandable. However, that doesn’t change the fact that the item is still appropriately priced. That’s what OPs post is all about. We aren’t arguing if the stage is worth it to YOU. If this set was "appropriately priced" it would have a lot more backers or even get to the 5k by now. If majority of perspective buyers pass on this (like me) and this does not get made than it is not "appropriately priced". I am telling you they should have lowered the price or put an elite scale wcw ring with it so it would be a complete set/value. Then have the figures as a bonus for tiers past the 5k to get this funded first. The proof is in the pudding, 2,071 Backers right now. There have only been 50 more backers in 2 days. I think the only thing that will save this is if rsc orders a bunch. They could also made some commercials and air them on wwe tv. |
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Post by CM Tusk on Apr 15, 2023 13:04:16 GMT -5
Question 1: “Do I want it?”
Question 2: “Can I afford it?”
Question 3: “Do I have room for it?”
Question 4: “Do I like the figures?”
If you answered yes to all or most of these, then consider yourself a Timothy Olyphant vehicle on the FX station because you my friend, are justified.
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Post by secondwhiteline on Apr 15, 2023 14:36:23 GMT -5
Easy, display it when you want to and put it away when you don't want it accumulating space. I plan on displaying the front piece on my shelf and then when in use, figuring out a set up to recreate the Nitro stage when it was sideways from the ring. I've spent waaaaaay more on Christmas decorations that are up for a month of the year. I'm going to rotate it in and out of my display a few times a year. Totally worth it for me. Hah! My parents are Christmas decoration people too, which may be influencing me in the other direction here. I think I'm having lawn and porch flashbacks. |
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Post by Rocket_Fuel_Merchant on Apr 15, 2023 18:38:42 GMT -5
If this set was "appropriately priced" it would have a lot more backers or even get to the 5k by now. If majority of perspective buyers pass on this (like me) and this does not get made than it is not "appropriately priced". I am telling you they should have lowered the price or put an elite scale wcw ring with it so it would be a complete set/value. Then have the figures as a bonus for tiers past the 5k to get this funded first. The proof is in the pudding, 2,071 Backers right now. There have only been 50 more backers in 2 days. I think the only thing that will save this is if rsc orders a bunch. They could also made some commercials and air them on wwe tv. See, you've got the process all backwards in your head... You're confusing what people can justify paying...and what an item has to cost. Mattel has to make money, an item costs a particular amount of money to develop and produce. They cannot, and shouldn't be expected to lose money on an item... Based on what we've been told, and I have no reason to believe Steve is a liar, the Stage is 100% "appropriately priced" due to the development/production costs. Unfortunately, there don't seem to be enough people that can justify spending $400+ on this item If I make a car out of carbon fiber, and gold plate the engine bay to reflect heat, and use all sorts of titanium's, and magnesiums, and alloys to create it and then charge $500k for it...based on costs, I have to charge a certain amount of money...not everyone will be able to afford it, or even if they can, they can't justify spending that much on a car...that's fine, but the car is still appropriately priced. If I build a 10,000 sq/ft house with exotic materials and state of the art everything...I can't sell it for $200k just because more people will be willing to buy it. I need to appropriately price the house... Now, if there is no market for the item, it won't sell...and that says to the manufacturer that the market isn't serious about items this extravagant, and they probably stop getting made You can't just "lower the price" or "include a ring" lol. That is such an asinine argument to make |
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powerfred3k
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Post by powerfred3k on Apr 15, 2023 20:06:56 GMT -5
If this set was "appropriately priced" it would have a lot more backers or even get to the 5k by now. If majority of perspective buyers pass on this (like me) and this does not get made than it is not "appropriately priced". I am telling you they should have lowered the price or put an elite scale wcw ring with it so it would be a complete set/value. Then have the figures as a bonus for tiers past the 5k to get this funded first. The proof is in the pudding, 2,071 Backers right now. There have only been 50 more backers in 2 days. I think the only thing that will save this is if rsc orders a bunch. They could also made some commercials and air them on wwe tv. See, you've got the process all backwards in your head... You're confusing what people can justify paying...and what an item has to cost. Mattel has to make money, an item costs a particular amount of money to develop and produce. They cannot, and shouldn't be expected to lose money on an item... Based on what we've been told, and I have no reason to believe Steve is a liar, the Stage is 100% "appropriately priced" due to the development/production costs. Unfortunately, there don't seem to be enough people that can justify spending $400+ on this item If I make a car out of carbon fiber, and gold plate the engine bay to reflect heat, and use all sorts of titanium's, and magnesiums, and alloys to create it and then charge $500k for it...based on costs, I have to charge a certain amount of money...not everyone will be able to afford it, or even if they can, they can't justify spending that much on a car...that's fine, but the car is still appropriately priced. If I build a 10,000 sq/ft house with exotic materials and state of the art everything...I can't sell it for $200k just because more people will be willing to buy it. I need to appropriately price the house... Now, if there is no market for the item, it won't sell...and that says to the manufacturer that the market isn't serious about items this extravagant, and they probably stop getting made You can't just "lower the price" or "include a ring" lol. That is such an asinine argument to make I am telling you because of the economic conditions right now, this crowdfund looks likely it will not succeed. The people in charge of this project should have known better and even found a way to lower the cost or add more value. I could always be wrong but right now its not looking good. If you compound that with the international costs being a major issue then you can't "justify the cost" if not enough people agree. If i make 5k t-shirts but i only sell 2k of them, then i am in big trouble. I need to either lower the price i charge for the shirts or add more value. The 3rd option is to deny the weak demand and just go bankrupt. |
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Post by Rocket_Fuel_Merchant on Apr 15, 2023 21:49:38 GMT -5
See, you've got the process all backwards in your head... You're confusing what people can justify paying...and what an item has to cost. Mattel has to make money, an item costs a particular amount of money to develop and produce. They cannot, and shouldn't be expected to lose money on an item... Based on what we've been told, and I have no reason to believe Steve is a liar, the Stage is 100% "appropriately priced" due to the development/production costs. Unfortunately, there don't seem to be enough people that can justify spending $400+ on this item If I make a car out of carbon fiber, and gold plate the engine bay to reflect heat, and use all sorts of titanium's, and magnesiums, and alloys to create it and then charge $500k for it...based on costs, I have to charge a certain amount of money...not everyone will be able to afford it, or even if they can, they can't justify spending that much on a car...that's fine, but the car is still appropriately priced. If I build a 10,000 sq/ft house with exotic materials and state of the art everything...I can't sell it for $200k just because more people will be willing to buy it. I need to appropriately price the house... Now, if there is no market for the item, it won't sell...and that says to the manufacturer that the market isn't serious about items this extravagant, and they probably stop getting made You can't just "lower the price" or "include a ring" lol. That is such an asinine argument to make I am telling you because of the economic conditions right now, this crowdfund looks likely it will not succeed. The people in charge of this project should have known better and even found a way to lower the cost or add more value. I could always be wrong but right now its not looking good. If you compound that with the international costs being a major issue then you can't "justify the cost" if not enough people agree. If i make 5k t-shirts but i only sell 2k of them, then i am in big trouble. I need to either lower the price i charge for the shirts or add more value. The 3rd option is to deny the weak demand and just go bankrupt. 🤦🏻♂️ You can only lower the price or add more value if there is meat on the bone in your production costs... Selling at a loss is no better |
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Post by powerfred3k on Apr 16, 2023 0:40:35 GMT -5
Rocket_Fuel_MerchantI find it hard to believe mattel can't lower the price, they pay there factory workers so little. "In peak production season, employees were working up to 175 overtime hours per month." "Earning only 2000-3000 RMB ($320-481) per month, the workers making Mattel's products are scraping by."
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Post by Flair Forever on Apr 16, 2023 9:44:54 GMT -5
I don't know much about the International prices.....
Aren't these things made in China? So we're making them in China..... shipping finished product to America..... then charging the consumer like $300 extra for shipping them back overseas....
I don't understand
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Post by Raoul the Great on Apr 16, 2023 12:36:05 GMT -5
I think that if this crowdfund worked more like a preorder, where you pay when the item ships, there would be more backers. I’m not looking to argue the whole “that’s not how crowdfunds work” thing, I’m just talking about people being able to set aside the money. Honestly, if the $400 came due next year when this would ship, I would back this. I would have plenty of time to set aside the money. Even in regards to the “how crowdfunds work” argument, if Mattel had told us well in advance when they knew they were putting this together (instead of vaguely saying “it’s gonna be expensive” weeks prior) people could have prepared.
Let me put it this way, in January I bought one of those fancy lightsabers from Galaxy’s Edge in Disney World. Very expensive at over $230, but I decided in August of last year that I was going to buy it. That gave me six months to save and set aside money from my free spending. Springing a $400 cost on me with only a month to figure out where that cash will come gives me no shot at backing this stage.
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Post by newgenandy on Apr 16, 2023 14:26:32 GMT -5
I think that if this crowdfund worked more like a preorder, where you pay when the item ships, there would be more backers. I’m not looking to argue the whole “that’s not how crowdfunds work” thing, I’m just talking about people being able to set aside the money. Honestly, if the $400 came due next year when this would ship, I would back this. I would have plenty of time to set aside the money. Even in regards to the “how crowdfunds work” argument, if Mattel had told us well in advance when they knew they were putting this together (instead of vaguely saying “it’s gonna be expensive” weeks prior) people could have prepared. Let me put it this way, in January I bought one of those fancy lightsabers from Galaxy’s Edge in Disney World. Very expensive at over $230, but I decided in August of last year that I was going to buy it. That gave me six months to save and set aside money from my free spending. Springing a $400 cost on me with only a month to figure out where that cash will come gives me no shot at backing this stage. I do think this would’ve helped, or if they said a month or two out that it would be £400 rather than just “not cheap” There’s a finance option but that’s not for international etc |
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Post by SteveHulk on Apr 16, 2023 22:22:10 GMT -5
I think that if this crowdfund worked more like a preorder, where you pay when the item ships, there would be more backers. I’m not looking to argue the whole “that’s not how crowdfunds work” thing, I’m just talking about people being able to set aside the money. Honestly, if the $400 came due next year when this would ship, I would back this. I would have plenty of time to set aside the money. Even in regards to the “how crowdfunds work” argument, if Mattel had told us well in advance when they knew they were putting this together (instead of vaguely saying “it’s gonna be expensive” weeks prior) people could have prepared. Let me put it this way, in January I bought one of those fancy lightsabers from Galaxy’s Edge in Disney World. Very expensive at over $230, but I decided in August of last year that I was going to buy it. That gave me six months to save and set aside money from my free spending. Springing a $400 cost on me with only a month to figure out where that cash will come gives me no shot at backing this stage. I do think this would’ve helped, or if they said a month or two out that it would be £400 rather than just “not cheap” There’s a finance option but that’s not for international etc Yeah... that's a big drawback too. It's bad enough we're being stung with the extra huge price - we can't even pay in installments. If they could do things like last time (ie. we pay the $ price or £ equivalent, plus shipping), it would help - as we wouldn't have the extra customs/import charge until next year when it's ready for delivery. |
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Post by kgchampion on Apr 16, 2023 23:06:32 GMT -5
New Gen Arena was at 67% with less than 26 hours before the Macho Man deadline. It hit 5k with less than 9 hours to go. It hit 7k with less than 3 hours until Macho deadline. It reached 8k in the final minute before the Macho deadline.
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Post by Midnight: Dark Knight on Apr 18, 2023 10:35:33 GMT -5
Question 1: “Do I want it?” Question 2: “Can I afford it?” Question 3: “Do I have room for it?” Question 4: “Do I like the figures?” If you answered yes to all or most of these, then consider yourself a Timothy Olyphant vehicle on the FX station because you my friend, are justified. I can answer yes to all of those and still havent backed it yet, what group/statistic do i fit in? |
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Post by Midnight: Dark Knight on Apr 18, 2023 10:44:45 GMT -5
So much arguments over the cost, but i really wonder how many can afford it and just dont have the space for it. Id guess 75% of the people arguing price have no intention of buying it anyways. But id guess 50% or higher dont have the room for such a piece, let alone the raw stage that would follow next year.
If this funds and i decide to purchase im not sure i would have the space for the raw one next time even if i could afford it and like all the figs included. I think people would still find a way to complain about the raw stage even if it was the choice this year. Buy if you want, move on if ya don’t
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Post by newgenandy on Apr 18, 2023 11:14:13 GMT -5
So much arguments over the cost, but i really wonder how many can afford it and just dont have the space for it. Id guess 75% of the people arguing price have no intention of buying it anyways. But id guess 50% or higher dont have the room for such a piece, let alone the raw stage that would follow next year. If this funds and i decide to purchase im not sure i would have the space for the raw one next time even if i could afford it and like all the figs included. I think people would still find a way to complain about the raw stage even if it was the choice this year. Buy if you want, move on if ya don’t You’re right, there’s various problems including size and I think that in itself is an issue - because there’s so many problems and complaints there’s no general consensus and the threads are disjointed 1. Cost - the international cost - no pre notification other than “not cheap” - current climate / inflation - no finance for international 2. Size - as a full piece it’s massive - Break it down the depth is less but it’s still wide and tall - if you break it down your losing the full piece so it’s less value 3. It’s WCW - ultimately apart from a short period of time a long time ago WCW wasn’t as popular as WWE - the narrative post 2001 has been WCW was crap apart from NWO - there’s not a lot of wcw products currently out, yes we could be getting more but current WCW branded / era figures we have what, stunning Steve, magnum, regal and they’re not the nitro era. Now some might not have a single one of those apply - they may prefer WCW (or at least be big WCW fans), have space and be able to afford it. That’s cool. But we need 5k as a minimum for it to get funded. Then there’s the aspect of figures but ignoring that and looking just at the stage there’s a load of issues and hurdles to overcome, some could arguably be pointed at mattel, some are personal and others situational. So if this doesn’t get funded I don’t think you can singularly point to any one thing as the reason why |
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Post by legendsguy on Apr 18, 2023 12:47:06 GMT -5
i think the price point is too high with 1 figure included. The Rey is ok, but it doesnt draw me in and wanna spend $400 plus shipping and tax. which is more like $500. The stage is cool, and looks terrific, however im sure alot of people will not have the space or set up to display it , use it, etc... thats prob the other sticking point for most.
if they included the Rey with another figure like the Stiener or DDP or even Warrior, it would prob move more. i may fund it if it gets close to 5k but it looks highly doubtful this gets done.
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Post by NoseBleedcollectibles on Apr 18, 2023 13:05:26 GMT -5
i think the price point is too high with 1 figure included. The Rey is ok, but it doesnt draw me in and wanna spend $400 plus shipping and tax. which is more like $500. The stage is cool, and looks terrific, however im sure alot of people will not have the space or set up to display it , use it, etc... thats prob the other sticking point for most. if they included the Rey with another figure like the Stiener or DDP or even Warrior, it would prob move more. i may fund it if it gets close to 5k but it looks highly doubtful this gets done. I've probably seen a thousand ppl say that if it gets close to 5000 they'll fund it. And Steiner is included with Rey and all the tiers have been lowered. |
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Post by 💯ULTIMATE💯 on Apr 18, 2023 13:52:38 GMT -5
Why do people continue to compare this to the New Gen crowdfund? And how it had this many backers at this point, then it surpassed goal, then it had this many more at the end....
They key thing to keep in mind is that it was half the price! And it had both an entrance stage AND a ring! It was also more affordable to some, or even most.
I completely understand both sides. Trust me, I love this thing and at the moment, I'm on the fence. But the Backers, jeez, I understand you guys want this bad, understandably so. But chill with the bashing of those who either don't care for it or simply can't afford it. And it seems that a big reason the overseas collectors aren't backing is because of shipping costs and fees. You can't be mad or blame anyone for the reasons stated.
Just my 2 cents
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Post by dixol on Apr 18, 2023 13:53:24 GMT -5
i think the price point is too high with 1 figure included. The Rey is ok, but it doesnt draw me in and wanna spend $400 plus shipping and tax. which is more like $500. The stage is cool, and looks terrific, however im sure alot of people will not have the space or set up to display it , use it, etc... thats prob the other sticking point for most. if they included the Rey with another figure like the Stiener or DDP or even Warrior, it would prob move more. i may fund it if it gets close to 5k but it looks highly doubtful this gets done. Steiner is included with Rey and the stage. All at 5000. And since they made the change they’ve had about 60 more backers in 4 days. |
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Post by CM Tusk on Apr 18, 2023 14:13:04 GMT -5
Question 1: “Do I want it?” Question 2: “Can I afford it?” Question 3: “Do I have room for it?” Question 4: “Do I like the figures?” If you answered yes to all or most of these, then consider yourself a Timothy Olyphant vehicle on the FX station because you my friend, are justified. I can answer yes to all of those and still havent backed it yet, what group/statistic do i fit in? Hufflepuff |
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