Jonny Flashback
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Post by Jonny Flashback on Jul 18, 2023 14:04:20 GMT -5
Zombie is absolutely capitalising on this news to announce this figure. But... he's really going hard on the fact he's got the designer of the hear to consult with him. So has zombie got in this guys ear to tell him to kick up a stink with WWE for using his designs on a figure WITHOUT his consent or royalties. This could open up a huge can of worms... That would all depend on what agreements he made with Savage back in the day surely. I know there was a lawsuit recently involving Orton’s tattoo artist and WWE using their original work in video games and figures without their permission. But I think if there was some issue with WWE using his designs that it would have come out long ago in the last 30 years surely? I have no idea. I don't claim to. But maybe this is a new thing as Zombie has been speaking to him - perhaps he convinced him to do the same as the Ortoj tattoo guy. The problem is, where does this end? Does every designer get in this as a class action lawsuit? It could be similar to when former wrestlers weren't getting royalties for being on WWE Network. WWE eventually won that but this could potentially be the same thing. |
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Jul 18, 2023 14:06:01 GMT -5
Legit Question: Who would control the Poffo estate? Angelo & his wife are both gone..... Randy "Poffo" Savage didn't have any children.... so Lanny "Genius" Poffo inherited the Savage estate..... According to Wikipedia - Lanny had one daughter - Meghan. So I'd assume (and possibly wrongly assume) that Meghan Poffo would now be controlling the Macho Man estate? How does this stuff work? Randy’s widow trademarks.justia.com/owners/poffo-barbara-lynn-2382056/ |
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Post by shanoe on Jul 18, 2023 14:08:35 GMT -5
Wait a sec... ZombieSailorToys is not going to start a 6in line too??
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Post by Back to the Codyverse on Jul 18, 2023 14:08:49 GMT -5
If we lose out on this beauty of an Ultimate due to attire designs then that would really suck. I mean, I get it. But it sucks.
But we’re still obviously in the speculation phase so let’s see what other wild sht we can come up with
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Post by skogen on Jul 18, 2023 14:10:11 GMT -5
Wait a sec... ZombieSailorToys is not going to start a 6in line too?? He is. I think the first figure will be Pillman and the next will be Double J. |
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Post by shanoe on Jul 18, 2023 14:15:41 GMT -5
Wait a sec... ZombieSailorToys is not going to start a 6in line too?? He is. I think the first figure will be Pillman and the next will be Double J. I'm afraid that ZST Macho fig ( if they go on with the 6in line a bit more "concretely") will never top that Mattel UE |
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Post by crush on Jul 18, 2023 14:34:19 GMT -5
Again considering the fact the Brawlers, the PWTees store in general, the BCA, the appearance in the video game, etc. I don't think the existence of a Zombie figure at any scale would really set anything in stone.
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Post by 20yearbreak on Jul 18, 2023 14:34:57 GMT -5
The licensing confuses me. Zombie can make a WWE attired Macho, but Jazwares couldn’t make WWE Owen, or was it more a case of Owen’s family not wanting that version made?
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Post by crush on Jul 18, 2023 14:39:19 GMT -5
That would all depend on what agreements he made with Savage back in the day surely. I know there was a lawsuit recently involving Orton’s tattoo artist and WWE using their original work in video games and figures without their permission. But I think if there was some issue with WWE using his designs that it would have come out long ago in the last 30 years surely? I have no idea. I don't claim to. But maybe this is a new thing as Zombie has been speaking to him - perhaps he convinced him to do the same as the Ortoj tattoo guy. The problem is, where does this end? Does every designer get in this as a class action lawsuit? It could be similar to when former wrestlers weren't getting royalties for being on WWE Network. WWE eventually won that but this could potentially be the same thing. While that could be, the gear design would probably be considered work for hire (and I'd almost guarantee that any made for WWE was a work for hire contract). The grey area of the tattoo design from my understand came from the fact that the artist was doing them as personal tattoo design software the client, then claimed they were in-turn monetized without their consent. |
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Post by drnickriviera995 on Jul 18, 2023 14:42:56 GMT -5
That ZST Savage head sculpt easily rivals Mego’s Andre for the worst I’ve ever seen. How could you put that much effort and money into a figure and show it off looking like Earl Hebner at a Halloween party? Yeah, I totally agree. At least the hat and shades hide it. But, come on. That looks nothing like a head/face Hasbro would have put out. Rest of the figure is amazing though. |
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Jul 18, 2023 14:43:33 GMT -5
The licensing confuses me. Zombie can make a WWE attired Macho, but Jazwares couldn’t make WWE Owen, or was it more a case of Owen’s family not wanting that version made? I think it’s the production run. Since ZST is an independent toy company that only produces a small limited number then he’s able to get away with using WWE IP. But a major toy company like Jazwares who is licensing AEW product isn’t going to try and make anything from a direct competitor. |
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Post by WrestlingFigWig on Jul 18, 2023 14:44:48 GMT -5
The licensing confuses me. Zombie can make a WWE attired Macho, but Jazwares couldn’t make WWE Owen, or was it more a case of Owen’s family not wanting that version made? This is actually a really good question. |
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Post by Patrick Bateman (original) on Jul 18, 2023 14:46:37 GMT -5
I have no idea. I don't claim to. But maybe this is a new thing as Zombie has been speaking to him - perhaps he convinced him to do the same as the Ortoj tattoo guy. The problem is, where does this end? Does every designer get in this as a class action lawsuit? It could be similar to when former wrestlers weren't getting royalties for being on WWE Network. WWE eventually won that but this could potentially be the same thing. While that could be, the gear design would probably be considered work for hire (and I'd almost guarantee that any made for WWE was a work for hire contract). The grey area of the tattoo design from my understand came from the fact that the artist was doing them as personal tattoo design software the client, then claimed they were in-turn monetized without their consent. The Orton thing was because Yes WWE can put them all over Orton. Figs, games, shirts. He payed the person. What WWE or should I say WWE 2K did was put his tattoos in the create a wrestler suite. So you could put those tattoos on anyone. Which is not what the artist was commissioned for. So in turn the WWE making money off of a perk in a 2k game with the artist getting 0. |
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Post by crush on Jul 18, 2023 14:53:09 GMT -5
While that could be, the gear design would probably be considered work for hire (and I'd almost guarantee that any made for WWE was a work for hire contract). The grey area of the tattoo design from my understand came from the fact that the artist was doing them as personal tattoo design software the client, then claimed they were in-turn monetized without their consent. The Orton thing was because Yes WWE can put them all over Orton. Figs, games, shirts. He payed the person. What WWE or should I say WWE 2K did was out his tattoos in the create a wrestler suite. So you could put those tattoos on anyone. Which is not what the artist was commissioned for. So in turn the WWE making money off of a perk in a 2k game with the artist getting 0. Yeah, exactly. The designs were monetized beyond being designs done on Orton without the artist's consent or agreement. |
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Post by crush on Jul 18, 2023 14:57:12 GMT -5
The licensing confuses me. Zombie can make a WWE attired Macho, but Jazwares couldn’t make WWE Owen, or was it more a case of Owen’s family not wanting that version made? This is actually a really good question. It likely has to do with ownership rights. There's a reason people like Bret, Hogan, Macho, Andre can appear in pretty much the same in any type of product because they own their full image rights. With others, things get murky. RE: Owen specifically, I don't think we have a clear answer. WWE could conceivably go after them for a look that could argue was supposed to represent WWE IP, but considering the way the first Brawler was done as well s numerous Owen PWTees shirt designs that do pink and black singlets but tweaked, it does seem possible that the lack of doing that in the JW line could be from a family request to do looks that aren't even remotely associated with WWE. |
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Post by ImJoeGrizzlyBitch on Jul 18, 2023 14:57:40 GMT -5
The licensing confuses me. Zombie can make a WWE attired Macho, but Jazwares couldn’t make WWE Owen, or was it more a case of Owen’s family not wanting that version made? I think it’s the production run. Since ZST is an independent toy company that only produces a small limited number then he’s able to get away with using WWE IP. But a major toy company like Jazwares who is licensing AEW product isn’t going to try and make anything from a direct competitor. Maybe this explains why he went and hired the designer of Macho Man’s attire. Owen was still wrestling at the time of his death and wwe owns all his rights to when he was in wwe im assuming, which means his attire which may of been made from somebody inside of wwe who can’t officially have the rights to the attire. Hence; why Jazwares is mostly making legends before their runs in wwe as they seem to be doing with punk, sting and Owen. Macho man had his attire specially made from a designer who wasn’t contracted thru wwe, which I’m assuming would mean that person owns the rights to the attire . So it’s seems zombie hired the designer to find a way into making a macho man figure legally. But wwe could and hopefully find a way to stop him if they own the full rights to macho man’s likeness . Again, I’m no professional in this and have no idea how it works. But would likely make sense to why mattel pushed this figure back because of attire issues or whatever it was . |
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Post by Cammi Oh on Jul 18, 2023 15:03:17 GMT -5
Super late to the party. I have not had my pre-order canceled or anything. Is Ringside waiting to see if there will be a Macho 18 or what?
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Post by originaloutsider on Jul 18, 2023 15:04:29 GMT -5
it certainly wouldn't be Comic Con without some controversy. a Zombie Sailor heel run is incoming...
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Post by ImJoeGrizzlyBitch on Jul 18, 2023 15:05:24 GMT -5
Super late to the party. I have not had my pre-order canceled or anything. Is Ringside waiting to see if there will be a Macho 18 or what? I got mine from their competition who sent out emails about the options you can choose with the cancellation which I made , but as of today it still hasn’t been cancelled either. |
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Post by mrh on Jul 18, 2023 15:06:16 GMT -5
The Zombie figure next to the canceled Ultimate is a joke. Zombie will never produce a 6" figure in Mattel's league. They are a professional toy company with the best of everything. Shame.
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