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Post by J-MANN on Jan 6, 2024 19:56:43 GMT -5
Stokely is me crushing on Stat Thicker than a Snickers
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2024 19:56:47 GMT -5
It's 2024. I for the life of me don't get why some fans still want heels/babyfaces, and AEW/WWE still try to breathe life into that. Almost everyone is a "tweener" now because no matter WHAT the promotion wants you to be, some fans will like you and some will not. See: Cena, Roman, MJF, Cody, Jericho, etc. I think in this day and age you should simply label wrestlers as "popular" or "not popular" and ignore their "personality". Swerve is POPULAR. If you want him to have the belt, do it. You don't need to wait for him to become a babyface, and you don't need to plan out some huge storyline so "heel" Swerve can hold the belt. Mox had it for a long time and he is VERY divided amongst the fans. You could also just label a heel in 2024 as an "a-hole" and "annoying". See: Miz, Christian (who is massively over), Roman, etc. And their "opposite" would be "hot". See: Cole, LA Knight, etc. Kayfabe is long dead. Can we please kill heels/faces? It just doesn't work anymore. I really can't think of one TRUE heel outside of Don Callis and he doesn't wrestle. Good vs Bad is the whole reason for wrestling, take that away and it’s just dudes fighting like early ufc lol even ufc gets the “good vs bad” idea and how it works still to this day
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Post by switchbladeera on Jan 6, 2024 20:17:06 GMT -5
I've never really got into the whole "good vs evil" part of wrestling lol. For me good was the guy I liked watching much like a favorite sports team, bad was the guy I wanted to lose the match. I like the stories and gimmicks, but it's never been about good vs. evil to me at all. But, I also loved early days UFC I hate how much they've tried to turn into wrestling with the characters.
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Post by hitmancmedge on Jan 6, 2024 20:32:59 GMT -5
I've never really got into the whole "good vs evil" part of wrestling lol. For me good was the guy I liked watching much like a favorite sports team, bad was the guy I wanted to lose the match. I like the stories and gimmicks, but it's never been about good vs. evil to me at all. But, I also loved early days UFC I hate how much they've tried to turn into wrestling with the characters. Not saying your opinion is wrong, but ufc was in trouble when it was just fights, they exploded when they started doing character work and having “good guys” and “bad guys” people like to cheer the good guy and boo the bad guys.
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Post by switchbladeera on Jan 6, 2024 20:41:57 GMT -5
I've never really got into the whole "good vs evil" part of wrestling lol. For me good was the guy I liked watching much like a favorite sports team, bad was the guy I wanted to lose the match. I like the stories and gimmicks, but it's never been about good vs. evil to me at all. But, I also loved early days UFC I hate how much they've tried to turn into wrestling with the characters. Not saying your opinion is wrong, but ufc was in trouble when it was just fights, they exploded when they started doing character work and having “good guys” and “bad guys” people like to cheer the good guy and boo the bad guys. Oh I totally get I'm in the minority with it. With wrestling I even enjoy it with good stories. Just not what I watch for. UFC it just feels so forced cuz they don't do nearly as good of a job as wrestlers at playing a role. Like we'd be laughing at Colby Covingtons gimmick in wrestling cuz he'd come off like a total dweeb.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2024 20:42:53 GMT -5
I've never really got into the whole "good vs evil" part of wrestling lol. For me good was the guy I liked watching much like a favorite sports team, bad was the guy I wanted to lose the match. I like the stories and gimmicks, but it's never been about good vs. evil to me at all. But, I also loved early days UFC I hate how much they've tried to turn into wrestling with the characters. As an adult, the good vs evil idea is super corny, but can still work when done right. While I don’t care really anymore and enjoy good matches regardless of fan alignment, to engage people less familiar you’re gonna need the good vs evil element.
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Post by kinnikuman on Jan 6, 2024 23:18:54 GMT -5
It's 2024. I for the life of me don't get why some fans still want heels/babyfaces, and AEW/WWE still try to breathe life into that. Almost everyone is a "tweener" now because no matter WHAT the promotion wants you to be, some fans will like you and some will not. See: Cena, Roman, MJF, Cody, Jericho, etc. I think in this day and age you should simply label wrestlers as "popular" or "not popular" and ignore their "personality". Swerve is POPULAR. If you want him to have the belt, do it. You don't need to wait for him to become a babyface, and you don't need to plan out some huge storyline so "heel" Swerve can hold the belt. Mox had it for a long time and he is VERY divided amongst the fans. You could also just label a heel in 2024 as an "a-hole" and "annoying". See: Miz, Christian (who is massively over), Roman, etc. And their "opposite" would be "hot". See: Cole, LA Knight, etc. Kayfabe is long dead. Can we please kill heels/faces? It just doesn't work anymore. I really can't think of one TRUE heel outside of Don Callis and he doesn't wrestle. Good vs Bad is the whole reason for wrestling, take that away and it’s just dudes fighting like early ufc lol even ufc gets the “good vs bad” idea and how it works still to this day Was.
Like I said, soooooo many tweeners in this day and age. Wrestling is different than what grandma and grandpa watched.
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Post by kinnikuman on Jan 6, 2024 23:19:51 GMT -5
It's 2024. I for the life of me don't get why some fans still want heels/babyfaces, and AEW/WWE still try to breathe life into that. Almost everyone is a "tweener" now because no matter WHAT the promotion wants you to be, some fans will like you and some will not. See: Cena, Roman, MJF, Cody, Jericho, etc. I think in this day and age you should simply label wrestlers as "popular" or "not popular" and ignore their "personality". Swerve is POPULAR. If you want him to have the belt, do it. You don't need to wait for him to become a babyface, and you don't need to plan out some huge storyline so "heel" Swerve can hold the belt. Mox had it for a long time and he is VERY divided amongst the fans. You could also just label a heel in 2024 as an "a-hole" and "annoying". See: Miz, Christian (who is massively over), Roman, etc. And their "opposite" would be "hot". See: Cole, LA Knight, etc. Kayfabe is long dead. Can we please kill heels/faces? It just doesn't work anymore. I really can't think of one TRUE heel outside of Don Callis and he doesn't wrestle. Please tell me this was meant as a joke. Please tell me you still cheer for the good guy and boo the bad guy.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2024 23:29:45 GMT -5
Good vs Bad is the whole reason for wrestling, take that away and it’s just dudes fighting like early ufc lol even ufc gets the “good vs bad” idea and how it works still to this day Was.
Like I said, soooooo many tweeners in this day and age. Wrestling is different than what grandma and grandpa watched.
The internet isn’t the big crowd you think it is lol go to a live show and get back to me and tell how many people get into the good vs bad dynamic. I promise you’re wrong lol
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Post by finnbalor1 on Jan 7, 2024 3:13:23 GMT -5
Guessing Stat will be the one turning(but I can see Willow doing it as a swerve)and I'm excited at all the possibilities that could come out of that. Only downside I see in Stat going heel is there's not a whole lot of faces left in the women's division at the moment.
I definitely think Darby or Black could be the top face of the company. I mean just look in the stands every week,kids have their faces painted like Darby all the time and constantly gets some of the biggest reactions on a weekly basis. He can go away for a month or more and come back and doesn't miss a beat. He doesnt have as many detractors as he use too but the ones that still does, points to Sting as the reason he's over. I don't think those people watched AEW from the beginning because like said earlier,he was extremely over from the beginning of the company and has been there constantly since then. He's one of the pillars for a reason,use him as such after the Stinger hangs them up
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Post by CM Tusk on Jan 7, 2024 3:54:52 GMT -5
Not to be morbid, more so pointing it out for how much time it’ll take to actually do, but the whole Mount Everest thing will probably get in the way of Darby being the guy. At least until after he finishes it.
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Post by J-MANN on Jan 7, 2024 7:34:45 GMT -5
Was.
Like I said, soooooo many tweeners in this day and age. Wrestling is different than what grandma and grandpa watched.
The internet isn’t the big crowd you think it is lol go to a live show and get back to me and tell how many people get into the good vs bad dynamic. I promise you’re wrong lol Exactly man, the online wrestling community is such a tiny percentage of the overall wrestling audience.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2024 9:06:53 GMT -5
BRB I gotta go watch The Dark Knight. It's a timeless tale of an annoying a-hole who terrorizes Gotham City until his popular hot opposite swoops in to put a stop to it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2024 11:47:34 GMT -5
Not to be morbid, more so pointing it out for how much time it’ll take to actually do, but the whole Mount Everest thing will probably get in the way of Darby being the guy. At least until after he finishes it. Yeah IF he finishes it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2024 13:51:12 GMT -5
Not to be morbid, more so pointing it out for how much time it’ll take to actually do, but the whole Mount Everest thing will probably get in the way of Darby being the guy. At least until after he finishes it. Yeah IF he finishes it. 👀
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2024 14:04:32 GMT -5
I mean...I hope he does lol
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Post by CM Tusk on Jan 7, 2024 14:12:36 GMT -5
Not to be morbid, more so pointing it out for how much time it’ll take to actually do, but the whole Mount Everest thing will probably get in the way of Darby being the guy. At least until after he finishes it. Yeah IF he finishes it. Fair
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Post by TKO Propagandist on Jan 7, 2024 18:17:28 GMT -5
AEW needs to get back to the way it was from 2019-2021. Those times were magical.
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Post by CM Tusk on Jan 8, 2024 3:44:38 GMT -5
AEW needs to get back to the way it was from 2019-2021. Those times were magical. I’m the opposite. August 2021-August 2023 is the sweet spot for me.
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Post by TKO Propagandist on Jan 9, 2024 5:27:41 GMT -5
AEW needs to get back to the way it was from 2019-2021. Those times were magical. I’m the opposite. August 2021-August 2023 is the sweet spot for me. Brawl Out was AEW's finger poke (in terms of being the end of the buzz period)
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