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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2024 15:57:36 GMT -5
so here we have another mania that gets alot of mixed reviews i thought the event was pretty good as it was still part of the new gen era, but not one of best for sure. felt like not enough matches to be honest saw it live on ppv and it still had that big mania feel bigtime Rating: C+ Matches: main event was pretty good i thought. both bigelow and LT did a great job in the match. bigelow really helpd this along. he played a great heel here. salt n pepa was GREAT tho esp bigelow faining at them lol. but kinda thought hbk/diesel shoulda been main event tho hbk vs diesel was great match and prob best on the card. loved the hotties walkin em down  IC title match was good too, was hopin razor would the belt tho tag title match was fun and loved owen/yoko winnin the belts here hart vs backlund was a decent match and loved piper as the ref taker vs bundy! most hate it, but i lov bundy and was glad to see him get a big match here. it was a bit short tho. would like to hav seen bundy get 2 avlanches and 2 splashes then hav taker do his sit up thing lol AP vs blu brothers was not very good as blu brothers wrent very good. kind of a weak opener imo    so, lets here about wm11 my classic wrasslin brotha's! |
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Post by The Brain on Apr 4, 2024 16:15:35 GMT -5
Yay on HBK/Diesel(still say it deserved the main event slot but I get why it didnt) and LT/Bammer(Gotta give credit where its due. LT put in the work here) and Owen/Yoko winning the tag belts.Loved the lil run they had here. Nay for everything else
Still laugh at Bret talking about the I quit match with Backlund a few yrs ago during a virtual saying how the crowd was laughing but not at the antics of Backlund but how much of an abortion the match was
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Post by rkmo: Autonomous Meat Shield on Apr 4, 2024 18:56:43 GMT -5
Definitely lacking that lasting pizazz and starpower, and that's saying something for some of the mid-90s events. Drab, unpolished, almost neglectful presentation, can fully understand why this is one WWE does not look fondly upon. Cut up on Anthology version. Not on a ledge to say it's at the bottom of my list.
Positives: it's short, and I nabbed a vintage tee for it for a great price.
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Post by MKSavage on Apr 4, 2024 19:38:33 GMT -5
Nay. I don't recall a really good match. Diesel/HBK was good, but their match a year later was better. The Main Event wasn't bad, but it wasn't great either. And this has to be Bret's worst WrestleMania match.
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Post by ASR (therockisback) on Apr 4, 2024 21:56:03 GMT -5
Lame show. One of the worst tbh. HBK vs Diesel was great tho.
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Apr 4, 2024 22:24:20 GMT -5
Easily one of the worst WrestleManias of all-time and that is coming from a kid who was born and bred on the New Generation Era.
The card was weak and most of the matches were forgettable. The highlights are east to list...
- Yokozuna being the surprise partner and Owen finally winning a title was fun.
- Diesel versus HBK was a quality World title match.
- Bam Bam versus LT was way better than anybody expected and one of the more entertaining celebrity matches in WM history.
Other than that it was a complete dud. Sure, I can still watch it whenever and get a nice boost of nostalgia because I love that era, but they could have put together a much more intriguing card even for 1995 WWF standards. There was a Lex/Tatanka cage match on the build-up show. Why not save that for the big card? As much as I loved their 1994 Survivor Series match, the Bret/Backlund feud had fizzled and Bret deserved better. The same goes for The Undertaker as this was easily one of his worst WM matches ever. The Intercontinental title match ending in a DQ was a weak finish especially for the biggest show of the year. There was also way too much spotlight on all the celebrity guests. You already checked that box with the main event so everything else felt like overkill.
You could really tell through the presentation of the event just how little faith the company had in itself at that point in time to put on a credible show.
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Post by The Brain on Apr 4, 2024 23:05:13 GMT -5
Easily one of the worst WrestleManias of all-time and that is coming from a kid who was born and bred on the New Generation Era. The card was weak and most of the matches were forgettable. The highlights are east to list... - Yokozuna being the surprise partner and Owen finally winning a title was fun. - Diesel versus HBK was a quality World title match. - Bam Bam versus LT was way better than anybody expected and one of the more entertaining celebrity matches in WM history. Other than that it was a complete dud. Sure, I can still watch it whenever and get a nice boost of nostalgia because I love that era, but they could have put together a much more intriguing card even for 1995 WWF standards. There was a Lex/Tatanka cage match on the build-up show. Why not save that for the big card? As much as I loved their 1994 Survivor Series match, the Bret/Backlund feud had fizzled and Bret deserved better. The same goes for The Undertaker as this was easily one of his worst WM matches ever. The Intercontinental title match ending in a DQ was a weak finish especially for the biggest show of the year. There was also way too much spotlight on all the celebrity guests. You already checked that box with the main event so everything else felt like overkill. You could really tell through the presentation of the event just how little faith the company had in itself at that point in time to put on a credible show.Vince's lack of energy in his intro monologue speaks volumes. Just shows how down in the dumps the company was in |
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Post by hbkjason on Apr 5, 2024 3:11:22 GMT -5
Diesel Vs Shawn Michaels was such a great match, even with the botched jackknife. I always found it strange how Diesel was HBKs buddy, but Shawn himself admits he tried to blow him up and steal the show. I have always been a Nash fan, he's way better in the ring than people give him credit for.
Also, I was 14 at the time so the inclusion of Pam Anderson and Jenny McCarthy was much appreciated.
Being from the UK, I knew nothing of LT apart from what the WWF presented, but it was a decent match.
Rest of the card was kind of lame. What a waste of Bret Hart although Piper being there was cool.
I do like the set for this WrestleMania though.
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Post by sinfony on Apr 5, 2024 5:42:47 GMT -5
Nay. I had no idea who LT was, so I couldn't really get hyped about that part of the show at all, and even if had known who he was, I don't really care for novelty matches being pushed as a main event at a wrestling show.
I suppose they only had to care about the buyrates in the US as they just had TV contracts in place everywhere else, but it was a bit of a strange choice for an international company to build its big event of the year around a sportsman who has absolutely no recognition value in the rest of the world. I mean, Tyson in 1998, that's a whole different story (and he wasn't in-ring), but this guy?! And I like Bigelow, but it wasn't like they had built him up either. He had just ended 1994 jobbing for Adam Bomb. Imagine Summerslam 1992 was headlined by Bryan Robson (one for the UK readers) vs Earthquake... It was obvious from this decision and hiring in Pamela Anderson and Jenny McCarthy that they were just trying to "buy in" some star power as accessories, rather than build up to a card that people really cared about. When the celebrities are generating more interest with your viewers than the wrestlers you have scouted, signed and get to develop and build up week for week on television, then something has gone badly wrong with your eye for talent and creative decisions. Why waste one of your few elite talents in Bret with such a poor match? And the addition of Piper actually made it even worse as his endless "whaddya say" just made it so goofy. Bret should have just seen off Backlund at the Rumble or on Raw sometime after the Survivor Series. Being crushed inside 10 seconds by Diesel ended any interest in the whole Mr Backlund schtick and the angle had long since served its only purpose in moving the title from Bret to Diesel without them actually having to face off.
Taker being given the relic Bundy as his then-standard "big guy, but can't really wrestle" opponent was woeful as well. At least Giant Gonzalez was new. With some smarter booking in the previous years, Luger could still have been hot here too, instead he's just bundled into a makeshift tag team partnership. No wonder he soon left.
The title match I remember being quite decent and the best match of the show, though it not being a show-rescuing classic. Amazingly, they decided from this low ebb that the public wanted to see the next few months dedicated to pushing Mabel into a main event spot and Bret should wrestle Jerry Lawler and his dentist for a while. Back then, I was still invested in every twist and turn, but I have to concede that the WWF product for most of this year was just really poor, and even then this Mania was probably one of the weaker PPVs they held that year. Long gone were the days when they would make sure Mania was where 3 or 4 really big angles would come to a head. |
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Apr 5, 2024 7:39:25 GMT -5
Nay. I had no idea who LT was, so I couldn't really get hyped about that part of the show at all, and even if had known who he was, I don't really care for novelty matches being pushed as a main event at a wrestling show. I suppose they only had to care about the buyrates in the US as they just had TV contracts in place everywhere else, but it was a bit of a strange choice for an international company to build its big event of the year around a sportsman who has absolutely no recognition value in the rest of the world. I mean, Tyson in 1998, that's a whole different story (and he wasn't in-ring), but this guy?! And I like Bigelow, but it wasn't like they had built him up either. He had just ended 1994 jobbing for Adam Bomb. Imagine Summerslam 1992 was headlined by Bryan Robson (one for the UK readers) vs Earthquake... It was obvious from this decision and hiring in Pamela Anderson and Jenny McCarthy that they were just trying to "buy in" some star power as accessories, rather than build up to a card that people really cared about. When the celebrities are generating more interest with your viewers than the wrestlers you have scouted, signed and get to develop and build up week for week on television, then something has gone badly wrong with your eye for talent and creative decisions. Why waste one of your few elite talents in Bret with such a poor match? And the addition of Piper actually made it even worse as his endless "whaddya say" just made it so goofy. Bret should have just seen off Backlund at the Rumble or on Raw sometime after the Survivor Series. Being crushed inside 10 seconds by Diesel ended any interest in the whole Mr Backlund schtick and the angle had long since served its only purpose in moving the title from Bret to Diesel without them actually having to face off. Taker being given the relic Bundy as his then-standard "big guy, but can't really wrestle" opponent was woeful as well. At least Giant Gonzalez was new. With some smarter booking in the previous years, Luger could still have been hot here too, instead he's just bundled into a makeshift tag team partnership. No wonder he soon left.
The title match I remember being quite decent and the best match of the show, though it not being a show-rescuing classic. Amazingly, they decided from this low ebb that the public wanted to see the next few months dedicated to pushing Mabel into a main event spot and Bret should wrestle Jerry Lawler and his dentist for a while. Back then, I was still invested in every twist and turn, but I have to concede that the WWF product for most of this year was just really poor, and even then this Mania was probably one of the weaker PPVs they held that year. Long gone were the days when they would make sure Mania was where 3 or 4 really big angles would come to a head. Don't forget the pirate. ☠️🦜 |
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Post by MKSavage on Apr 5, 2024 8:35:30 GMT -5
Easily one of the worst WrestleManias of all-time and that is coming from a kid who was born and bred on the New Generation Era. The card was weak and most of the matches were forgettable. The highlights are east to list... - Yokozuna being the surprise partner and Owen finally winning a title was fun. - Diesel versus HBK was a quality World title match. - Bam Bam versus LT was way better than anybody expected and one of the more entertaining celebrity matches in WM history. Other than that it was a complete dud. Sure, I can still watch it whenever and get a nice boost of nostalgia because I love that era, but they could have put together a much more intriguing card even for 1995 WWF standards. There was a Lex/Tatanka cage match on the build-up show. Why not save that for the big card? As much as I loved their 1994 Survivor Series match, the Bret/Backlund feud had fizzled and Bret deserved better. The same goes for The Undertaker as this was easily one of his worst WM matches ever. The Intercontinental title match ending in a DQ was a weak finish especially for the biggest show of the year. There was also way too much spotlight on all the celebrity guests. You already checked that box with the main event so everything else felt like overkill. You could really tell through the presentation of the event just how little faith the company had in itself at that point in time to put on a credible show. I know they wanted to finish off the Bret/Backlund story, but that easily could have been a Raw main event match instead of a WM match. Had the Anvil not been fired early in 1995, I would have much rather them go with Owen & Anvil vs. Bulldog & Bret at WM11 to finish off that feud. Though, even with Anvil getting fired, they could have still built that match for WM, then near WM11 say that Anvil has been suspended (or something) and Owen would have a mystery partner. Make it seem like it would be another Hart family member, even hinting at Dynamite Kid would have been fun, by saying this guy has history with Bret Hart, then at WM11 have Owen introduce Yokozuna. |
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Post by MKSavage on Apr 5, 2024 8:51:57 GMT -5
Nay. I had no idea who LT was, so I couldn't really get hyped about that part of the show at all, and even if had known who he was, I don't really care for novelty matches being pushed as a main event at a wrestling show.
I suppose they only had to care about the buyrates in the US as they just had TV contracts in place everywhere else, but it was a bit of a strange choice for an international company to build its big event of the year around a sportsman who has absolutely no recognition value in the rest of the world. I mean, Tyson in 1998, that's a whole different story (and he wasn't in-ring), but this guy?! And I like Bigelow, but it wasn't like they had built him up either. He had just ended 1994 jobbing for Adam Bomb. Imagine Summerslam 1992 was headlined by Bryan Robson (one for the UK readers) vs Earthquake... It was obvious from this decision and hiring in Pamela Anderson and Jenny McCarthy that they were just trying to "buy in" some star power as accessories, rather than build up to a card that people really cared about. When the celebrities are generating more interest with your viewers than the wrestlers you have scouted, signed and get to develop and build up week for week on television, then something has gone badly wrong with your eye for talent and creative decisions. Why waste one of your few elite talents in Bret with such a poor match? And the addition of Piper actually made it even worse as his endless "whaddya say" just made it so goofy. Bret should have just seen off Backlund at the Rumble or on Raw sometime after the Survivor Series. Being crushed inside 10 seconds by Diesel ended any interest in the whole Mr Backlund schtick and the angle had long since served its only purpose in moving the title from Bret to Diesel without them actually having to face off.
Taker being given the relic Bundy as his then-standard "big guy, but can't really wrestle" opponent was woeful as well. At least Giant Gonzalez was new. With some smarter booking in the previous years, Luger could still have been hot here too, instead he's just bundled into a makeshift tag team partnership. No wonder he soon left.
The title match I remember being quite decent and the best match of the show, though it not being a show-rescuing classic. Amazingly, they decided from this low ebb that the public wanted to see the next few months dedicated to pushing Mabel into a main event spot and Bret should wrestle Jerry Lawler and his dentist for a while. Back then, I was still invested in every twist and turn, but I have to concede that the WWF product for most of this year was just really poor, and even then this Mania was probably one of the weaker PPVs they held that year. Long gone were the days when they would make sure Mania was where 3 or 4 really big angles would come to a head. Yeah, at that time, the WWF really cared about USA buyrates, that's where the big money was for them in the mid 90s. LT was a big star in the US, and the event was being held in the northeast, close to where he played football in the NFL - where he was the most popular. I think they were really wanting a huge crowd and buyrate. The previous Royal Rumble didn't even sell out, and I believe the buyrate was really low. By this time, WCW was getting bigger and some of their PPVs were outdoing WWF's. For a few years, WM8 and WM9 especially, they didn't include celebrities that much, and I think Vince wanted to return to what got him big audiences in the mid 80s - like with the inclusion of Mr. T. But I do agree with you about him going up against Bam Bam probably wasn't the big appeal they thought it would be. Maybe they should have just done a tag team match with Diesel & LT vs. Shawn & Sid. |
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Post by sinfony on Apr 5, 2024 10:30:08 GMT -5
Easily one of the worst WrestleManias of all-time and that is coming from a kid who was born and bred on the New Generation Era. The card was weak and most of the matches were forgettable. The highlights are east to list... - Yokozuna being the surprise partner and Owen finally winning a title was fun. - Diesel versus HBK was a quality World title match. - Bam Bam versus LT was way better than anybody expected and one of the more entertaining celebrity matches in WM history. Other than that it was a complete dud. Sure, I can still watch it whenever and get a nice boost of nostalgia because I love that era, but they could have put together a much more intriguing card even for 1995 WWF standards. There was a Lex/Tatanka cage match on the build-up show. Why not save that for the big card? As much as I loved their 1994 Survivor Series match, the Bret/Backlund feud had fizzled and Bret deserved better. The same goes for The Undertaker as this was easily one of his worst WM matches ever. The Intercontinental title match ending in a DQ was a weak finish especially for the biggest show of the year. There was also way too much spotlight on all the celebrity guests. You already checked that box with the main event so everything else felt like overkill. You could really tell through the presentation of the event just how little faith the company had in itself at that point in time to put on a credible show. I know they wanted to finish off the Bret/Backlund story, but that easily could have been a Raw main event match instead of a WM match. Had the Anvil not been fired early in 1995, I would have much rather them go with Owen & Anvil vs. Bulldog & Bret at WM11 to finish off that feud. Though, even with Anvil getting fired, they could have still built that match for WM, then near WM11 say that Anvil has been suspended (or something) and Owen would have a mystery partner. Make it seem like it would be another Hart family member, even hinting at Dynamite Kid would have been fun, by saying this guy has history with Bret Hart, then at WM11 have Owen introduce Yokozuna. Yeah, that would have been preferable to what we got or they could have just moved on to the Hakushi match we got at In Your House straight afterwards. He was already in the company at the time of Mania. It probably wouldn't have been a buyrate draw, but nor was Backlund, and the match would have been far better.
Either way, it was all rather slim pickings for quality opposition for most of the top guys at this time. This period from early 1995 through that summer was probably the shallowest that the talent pool ever got. By late 95 into 96 they brought in Foley, Austin, Vader and Golddust and things slowly started crawling back up.
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Post by ASR (therockisback) on Apr 5, 2024 10:37:50 GMT -5
HBK vs Diesel should have been in the main event
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Post by MKSavage on Apr 5, 2024 10:54:15 GMT -5
I know they wanted to finish off the Bret/Backlund story, but that easily could have been a Raw main event match instead of a WM match. Had the Anvil not been fired early in 1995, I would have much rather them go with Owen & Anvil vs. Bulldog & Bret at WM11 to finish off that feud. Though, even with Anvil getting fired, they could have still built that match for WM, then near WM11 say that Anvil has been suspended (or something) and Owen would have a mystery partner. Make it seem like it would be another Hart family member, even hinting at Dynamite Kid would have been fun, by saying this guy has history with Bret Hart, then at WM11 have Owen introduce Yokozuna. Yeah, that would have been preferable to what we got or they could have just moved on to the Hakushi match we got at In Your House straight afterwards. He was already in the company at the time of Mania. It probably wouldn't have been a buyrate draw, but nor was Backlund, and the match would have been far better.
Either way, it was all rather slim pickings for quality opposition for most of the top guys at this time. This period from early 1995 through that summer was probably the shallowest that the talent pool ever got. By late 95 into 96 they brought in Foley, Austin, Vader and Golddust and things slowly started crawling back up.
Agreed. Thank God for Jim Ross. I bet he had a hand in each of those guys getting signed by the WWF. 1995 WWF was my least favorite year of the WWF, followed by 1996. However, 1997 was one of my favorites for them, especially from WM13 on. |
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Apr 5, 2024 14:47:36 GMT -5
I always said that Wrestlemania XI was pretty much written from the first Wrestlemania handbook
The opening match a baby face wins?? Check! (Santana/Allied Powers)
The IC Title match ends in a dq or count out with the baby face winning?? Check! (JYD & Razor Ramon)
The Tag Titles change hands with two foreigners winning the belts?? Check! (Sheik & Volkoff/Owen & Yoko)
A match featuring two giant big men?? Check! (Andre & Studd/Undertaker & Bundy)
A celebrity in the main event with Pat Patterson as the referee?? Check! (Mr T./LT)
Celebrities galore?? Check!
But overall, I do enjoy Wrestlemania XI just cause I loved that era of WWF. I love the Diesel vs. HBK match, and the reporters at ringside were a bit distracting and annoying, but it gave that big match feel to it at least.
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Post by TheSystem 1.5 on Apr 5, 2024 19:14:10 GMT -5
NAY. Taker/Bundy is one of the worst matches I’ve ever seen
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Post by cordless2016 on Apr 6, 2024 21:05:49 GMT -5
Nay. Outside of Diesel/HBK which I enjoy, you know it’s a bad card when even the Bret match is a stinker.
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Post by jason88cubs on Apr 9, 2024 18:50:06 GMT -5
WWF was really struggling at this time. Didnt feel like a Wrestlemania
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Post by ASR (therockisback) on Apr 11, 2024 18:48:13 GMT -5
WM11 is probably the worst ever WM for me. WM13 & WM9 are up there as well.
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