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Post by powerfred3k on May 11, 2024 17:09:47 GMT -5
For all intents and purposes, Legends contracts don't exist. The language in the deal Bischoff signed most likely references the WWE Nostalgia Program. So no, he probably has no clue what a Legends contract is. But they're the same thing. I don't know why people keep hoping there is greater mystery than there is to who is or isn't likely to get a figure. Bischoff is a really smart man. He's choosing his words very carefully. The underlying question is "how can you remain impartial when critiquing WWE/AEW shows while you are under a WWE contract?" He purposely says he signed a deal with "Mattel" because of the top notch quality of the figures they make. He's avoiding saying that he's under a WWE deal (as Steve has just confirmed) because he wants to be seen as impartial. Reading between the lines - He is saying that he signed the WWE deal because of the top quality Mattel merch that will be put out. And rightfully so! * For my money, the RA Bischoff is damn near perfect.... one of Mattel's best figures to-date. Am i just imagining that for 10 plus years Bill and then Steve have told us that X talent can not have a figure made without a legends deal ? If that has now changed and that is not the case anymore, then great i will drop it. I remember Hercules family saying they would sign a legends deal and wanted a figure made and nothing happened with that.
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Post by Action Figure Attack on May 11, 2024 17:10:37 GMT -5
Bischoff has a deal with WWE that allows for action figures. Mystery solved. That is not a "legends deal" which was the main reason other talents could not have a figure made in the past. "I signed a deal for action figures, and i think I have 11 months left on that deal." Not sure what you’re trying to achieve here honestly but you’re arguing semantics. If a talent has a contract with WWE that allows for action figures we can make figures. Hope that clarifies.
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Post by AxelSmackdown on May 11, 2024 17:10:59 GMT -5
Bischoff is a really smart man. He's choosing his words very carefully. The underlying question is "how can you remain impartial when critiquing WWE/AEW shows while you are under a WWE contract?" He purposely says he signed a deal with "Mattel" because of the top notch quality of the figures they make. He's avoiding saying that he's under a WWE deal (as Steve has just confirmed) because he wants to be seen as impartial. Reading between the lines - He is saying that he signed the WWE deal because of the top quality Mattel merch that will be put out. And rightfully so! * For my money, the RA Bischoff is damn near perfect.... one of Mattel's best figures to-date. Am i just imagining that for 10 plus years Bill and then Steve have told us that X talent can not have a figure made without a legends deal ? If that has now changed and that is not the case anymore, then great i will drop it. I remember Hercules family saying they would sign a legends deal and wanted a figure made and nothing happened with that.what does this have to do with anything
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Post by powerfred3k on May 11, 2024 17:25:30 GMT -5
That is not a "legends deal" which was the main reason other talents could not have a figure made in the past. "I signed a deal for action figures, and i think I have 11 months left on that deal." Not sure what you’re trying to achieve here honestly but you’re arguing semantics. If a talent has a contract with WWE that allows for action figures we can make figures. Hope that clarifies. We have been told by you and bill if a talent has a legends deal only then can mattel make figures of that talent. So if what bischoff is saying is true, he is under some kind of contract/deal that is not a legends contract that allow mattel wwe figures to be made of him. I have been saying off and on for years why can't mattel just sign people to action figure deals, like bischoff is saying he has.
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Post by powerfred3k on May 11, 2024 17:28:58 GMT -5
Am i just imagining that for 10 plus years Bill and then Steve have told us that X talent can not have a figure made without a legends deal ? If that has now changed and that is not the case anymore, then great i will drop it. I remember Hercules family saying they would sign a legends deal and wanted a figure made and nothing happened with that.what does this have to do with anything I just thought bischoff is good enough to get an action figure deal with mattel and Hercules surviving family can not get any kind of deal from wwe/mattel and that is very sad.
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Post by originalniceguy on May 11, 2024 17:32:48 GMT -5
Not sure what you’re trying to achieve here honestly but you’re arguing semantics. If a talent has a contract with WWE that allows for action figures we can make figures. Hope that clarifies. We have been told by you and bill if a talent has a legends deal only then can mattel make figures of that talent. So if what bischoff is saying is true, he is under some kind of contract/deal that is not a legends contract that allow mattel wwe figures to be made of him. I have been saying off and on for years why can't mattel just sign people to action figure deals, like bischoff is saying he has. You're getting hung up on the term "Legends deal". The premise is if WWE signs them under a merchandise deal which allows for figures then and only then can Mattel release figures of them. This term "Legends deal" has varied recently and we're now seeing the term 'nostalgia' contracts. However the premise remains, the talent have to be SIGNED by WWE to a figure deal for Mattel to release a Figure. Nothing has changed.
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Post by powerfred3k on May 11, 2024 17:39:35 GMT -5
We have been told by you and bill if a talent has a legends deal only then can mattel make figures of that talent. So if what bischoff is saying is true, he is under some kind of contract/deal that is not a legends contract that allow mattel wwe figures to be made of him. I have been saying off and on for years why can't mattel just sign people to action figure deals, like bischoff is saying he has. You're getting hung up on the term "Legends deal". The premise is if WWE signs them under a merchandise deal which allows for figures then and only then can Mattel release figures of them. This term "Legends deal" has varied recently and we're now seeing the term 'nostalgia' contracts. However the premise remains, the talent have to be SIGNED by WWE to a figure deal for Mattel to release a Figure. Nothing has changed. He said he is not under a legends contract and said nothing about a nostalgia contract. He said he has a deal for video games, and a deal with mattel for action figures. If your going to say he is being not being 100% truthful and he is under 'nostalgia' contract then say that.
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Post by Flair Forever on May 11, 2024 17:47:48 GMT -5
Bischoff is a really smart man. He's choosing his words very carefully. The underlying question is "how can you remain impartial when critiquing WWE/AEW shows while you are under a WWE contract?" He purposely says he signed a deal with "Mattel" because of the top notch quality of the figures they make. He's avoiding saying that he's under a WWE deal (as Steve has just confirmed) because he wants to be seen as impartial. Reading between the lines - He is saying that he signed the WWE deal because of the top quality Mattel merch that will be put out. And rightfully so! * For my money, the RA Bischoff is damn near perfect.... one of Mattel's best figures to-date. Am i just imagining that for 10 plus years Bill and then Steve have told us that X talent can not have a figure made without a legends deal ? If that has now changed and that is not the case anymore, then great i will drop it. I remember Hercules family saying they would sign a legends deal and wanted a figure made and nothing happened with that. I think you're missing my point; Obviously Bischoff has some sort of WWE "Legends" deal - he just doesn't want to call it that (for whatever reason). Maybe he doesn't consider himself a "WWE Legend" due to his claim-to-fame being his WCW career. Maybe he's still bitter that WCW was sold to Vince instead of Fusient Media (spearheaded by Bischoff). Bischoff has been very vocal in his criticisms against AEW and I don't think he wants people saying he's being paid by WWE as it makes his critiques appear to be biased. Bischoff said his deal is for video games, Mattel Action Figures (and maybe more we don't know about yet). He's just not using the word "Legends Contract". Bischoff is a big enough name that I'm quite sure WWE would license his likeness outside of a WWE Legends Contract. I'm not sure they would do that for a Hercules Hernandez. I'm quite certain Hulk Hogan doesn't have a "Legends Contract" - - - Hogan calls his own shots, brother. If you are implying that Mattel went out & signed Bischoff on their own - and that just didn't happen. That's not what Bischoff said and Steve himself is telling you that didn't happen right here in this thread.
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Post by rkmo: Autonomous Meat Shield on May 11, 2024 17:54:26 GMT -5
Am i just imagining that for 10 plus years Bill and then Steve have told us that X talent can not have a figure made without a legends deal ? If that has now changed and that is not the case anymore, then great i will drop it. I remember Hercules family saying they would sign a legends deal and wanted a figure made and nothing happened with that. I think you're missing my point; Obviously Bischoff has some sort of WWE "Legends" deal - he just doesn't want to call it that (for whatever reason). Maybe he doesn't consider himself a "WWE Legend" due to his claim-to-fame being his WCW career. Maybe he's still bitter that WCW was sold to Vince instead of Fusient Media (spearheaded by Bischoff). Bischoff has been very vocal in his criticisms against AEW and I don't think he wants people saying he's being paid by WWE as it makes his critiques appear to be biased. Bischoff said his deal is for video games, Mattel Action Figures (and maybe more we don't know about yet). He's just not using the word "Legends Contract". Bischoff is a big enough name that I'm quite sure WWE would license his likeness outside of a WWE Legends Contract. I'm not sure they would do that for a Hercules Hernandez. I'm quite certain Hulk Hogan doesn't have a "Legends Contract" - - - Hogan calls his own shots, brother. If you are implying that Mattel went out & signed Bischoff on their own - and that just didn't happen. That's not what Bischoff said and Steve himself is telling you that didn't happen right here in this thread. Or a simpler thought: Bischoff doesn't have his contract memorized word-for-word and is just shooting off the hip. He wants to put out he is signed but not employed by WWE, and couldn't find the right words.
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Post by cableV on May 11, 2024 18:08:51 GMT -5
You're getting hung up on the term "Legends deal". The premise is if WWE signs them under a merchandise deal which allows for figures then and only then can Mattel release figures of them. This term "Legends deal" has varied recently and we're now seeing the term 'nostalgia' contracts. However the premise remains, the talent have to be SIGNED by WWE to a figure deal for Mattel to release a Figure. Nothing has changed. He said he is not under a legends contract and said nothing about a nostalgia contract. He said he has a deal for video games, and a deal with mattel for action figures. If your going to say he is being not being 100% truthful and he is under 'nostalgia' contract then say that. No. He has a deal with WWE that allows for Mattel figures, not a deal with Mattel. Mattel didn't sign Eric.
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Post by marvelelite on May 11, 2024 18:36:44 GMT -5
It's been obvious for awhile not all deals are the same. If all deals are the same why can Mattel still make Jake The Snake and Billy Gunn figs, but lost Jeff Jarrett once he left WWE?
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Post by voicesinmyhead on May 11, 2024 18:51:17 GMT -5
From the man himself, says he is not under a legends deal but separate deals for video games and action figures. For years the people at mattel have droned on about "if only they where under a legends deal". So someone is lying here either Bischoff or Mattel. Skip of the 5 min and 8 second mark on the video. Says he has 11 months left on that deal, so that is pretty specific and lends me to believe him. Even if mattel only recently sign him to a deal for figures to be made and no one else until that point, it still invalidates people in charge of the wwe mattel team. I would love for those mattel people to respond to this. Why are you treating this like some sort of conspiracy? Like others have said, there is still A deal in place that allows for figures. Who cares if it is exactly a “legends” deal. There has to be some deal in place by WWE that allows for figures that would then in turn allow for Mattel to make figures of said talent. Mattel cannot sign talent themselves like Jeremy did in the Jakks days. Steve and Bill were not lying then, and are not lying now. Do you want Bill and Steve to change their wording next time to include every single type of deal a talent could be under? “We cannot make a figure of Test because he is not under a legend deal, nostalgia deal, figure deal, etc.” Give me a break.
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Post by powerfred3k on May 11, 2024 19:01:41 GMT -5
voicesinmyhead Flair Forever I am just taking the mans word for it right now. "I signed a deal for action figures, and i think I have 11 months left on that deal." He mentioned mattel several times.
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Post by voicesinmyhead on May 11, 2024 19:07:25 GMT -5
Not sure what you’re trying to achieve here honestly but you’re arguing semantics. If a talent has a contract with WWE that allows for action figures we can make figures. Hope that clarifies. We have been told by you and bill if a talent has a legends deal only then can mattel make figures of that talent. So if what bischoff is saying is true, he is under some kind of contract/deal that is not a legends contract that allow mattel wwe figures to be made of him. I have been saying off and on for years why can't mattel just sign people to action figure deals, like bischoff is saying he has. Bischoff never said he signed with Mattel directly and Mattel didn’t sign him directly. He is under some kind of deal with WWE that allows Mattel to make the figures. Mattel cannot sign people directly. They have been as transparent as possible with that.
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Post by stc13 on May 11, 2024 19:07:32 GMT -5
voicesinmyhead Flair Forever I am just taking the mans word for it right now. "I signed a deal for action figures, and i think I have 11 months left on that deal." He mentioned mattel several times. If you're taking Eric Bischoff at his word, I think we can safely lock the thread and move on with our lives.
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Post by voicesinmyhead on May 11, 2024 19:09:54 GMT -5
voicesinmyhead Flair Forever I am just taking the mans word for it right now. "I signed a deal for action figures, and i think I have 11 months left on that deal." He mentioned mattel several times. Yes, he signed a deal that included action figures. And yes, Mattel is the company that makes those action figures. He never said Mattel signed him and that’s because they didn’t. Erics statement is still truthful and Bill and Steve are still speaking true statements. No one is lying here and there is no conspiracy. Wwe needs to sign someone to a deal first that includes the rights to make figures of their likeness and then Mattel would have the opportunity to make those figures. This is not groundbreaking news.
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Post by Flair Forever on May 11, 2024 19:11:14 GMT -5
voicesinmyhead Flair Forever I am just taking the mans word for it right now. "I signed a deal for action figures, and i think I have 11 months left on that deal." He mentioned mattel several times. 8:52 BISCHOFF: "WWE has ..... refined a formula that compensates talent based on licensing and merchandising in a fair and consistent way and I have one of those".
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Post by voicesinmyhead on May 11, 2024 19:11:56 GMT -5
voicesinmyhead Flair Forever I am just taking the mans word for it right now. "I signed a deal for action figures, and i think I have 11 months left on that deal." He mentioned mattel several times. If you're taking Eric Bischoff at his word, I think we can safely lock the thread and move on with our lives. The funny thing is that there is nothing in that particular sentence that is inaccurate. He signed a deal that includes action figures. The action figures are made by Mattel. And there’s 11 months on that contract. Idk why OP cares about the difference between Legend and Nostalgia contracts. Both are offered by WWE and neither are offered by Mattel.
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Post by voicesinmyhead on May 11, 2024 19:12:45 GMT -5
voicesinmyhead Flair Forever I am just taking the mans word for it right now. "I signed a deal for action figures, and i think I have 11 months left on that deal." He mentioned mattel several times. 8:52 "WWE has ..... refined a formula that compensates talent based on licensing and merchandising in a fair and consistent way and I have one of those". lol. Key word: WWE. Not “Mattel refined a formula…”
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Post by powerfred3k on May 11, 2024 19:31:22 GMT -5
If you're taking Eric Bischoff at his word, I think we can safely lock the thread and move on with our lives. The funny thing is that there is nothing in that particular sentence that is inaccurate. He signed a deal that includes action figures. The action figures are made by Mattel. And there’s 11 months on that contract. Idk why OP cares about the difference between Legend and Nostalgia contracts. Both are offered by WWE and neither are offered by Mattel. Because he said he is not under a legends contract and made no mention of a "Nostalgia" contract or being under one. If its just a merch contract that includes mattel wwe figures in the deal, why can't other people get merch only deals ? What other merch has wwe made with his likeness on it ? I think video game deals are separate.
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