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Post by Patrick Bateman (original) on Oct 1, 2007 9:41:30 GMT -5
That is funny. To be singled-out and avoided. Believe it or not, I agree with you. However, your (not yours, but anybodys) actions determine how you're viewed. He publicized his personal view in posting the blog, so obviously he has great reason to feel wronged, or in the very least be dead serious about not doing business with Joe. Defend it how you want, this promoter is lower on the food chain, very much compared to Joe. Still, if it were me in Joe's place, huge name or not. I'd worry about how i'm booked, but not to the extent where I come across as difficult. Which the promoter, even if only those who believe him are naive, makes a great support to that. Would I blog about my run-in? No. Would I book Joe again, if all he sees is a pay-check and can't meet me in the middle on match agreements? No, for sure, because it'd make me look spine-less and incapable of doing my job. The internet is the only way to get this out. He's trying to prevent other promoters from making the same mistake in booking him if he's just gonna **** on the company. I agree with that. It seems to me that Joe's head is getting as big as his gut. Fame turns most people into different people. And it looks like it is not a good thing for Joe.
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Post by slappy on Oct 1, 2007 10:41:07 GMT -5
He could have been nice and been like "Hey, Would it be possible if I won the match or if I was going to lose have a finish where I wouldn't come out as weak and would benefit the both of us."
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Post by inrogers29 on Oct 1, 2007 10:43:35 GMT -5
If its true, neither side was professional. While Samoa Joe's actions were egotistical, there was no reason to publically bury him, all that accomplished was looking like your throwing a hissy fit because one of your paid talents did a poor job. If your a promoter, you have to understand that some guys get it and others dont, book the ones that get it and move on. One bad match is not gonna kill your ability to draw with Kenny Omega.
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Post by pkchong on Oct 1, 2007 11:13:16 GMT -5
Hahaha, Joe's side of the story is pretty different. I'd bet that the promoter didn't have enough cash to cover Joe, and didn't know TNA has a no jobbing policy on small shows. This is yet another reason not to book TNA guys on indy shows, to much politics.
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Post by CBT on Oct 1, 2007 11:33:47 GMT -5
I wish people would re-read my post.
The promoter accomplished one thing; looking like a douche to TNA management.
I've voiced different views, but all the blog does is not inform other promoters, but rather make this one promoter look ungrateful. Why would TNA continue to work with a promotion where there top guy is bashed or not acceptable?
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Oct 1, 2007 11:36:26 GMT -5
Hahaha, Joe's side of the story is pretty different. I'd bet that the promoter didn't have enough cash to cover Joe, and didn't know TNA has a no jobbing policy on small shows. This is yet another reason not to book TNA guys on indy shows, to much politics. TNA does not have that policy. TNA talent will job to indy talent on shows all the time. Seen it with my own eyes. Thats just total BS by Joe. Unless.....TNA has a no jobbing policy for its main eventers like Joe, Angle, Christian, etc.
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Post by CBT on Oct 1, 2007 11:47:13 GMT -5
Hahaha, Joe's side of the story is pretty different. I'd bet that the promoter didn't have enough cash to cover Joe, and didn't know TNA has a no jobbing policy on small shows. This is yet another reason not to book TNA guys on indy shows, to much politics. TNA does not have that policy. TNA talent will job to indy talent on shows all the time. Seen it with my own eyes. Thats just total BS by Joe. Unless.....TNA has a no jobbing policy for its main eventers like Joe, Angle, Christian, etc. I can see it now. Promoter: Boy, tonight you're facing Eric Young, ever heard of him? Boy: Yeah of course, EY, TNA. Promoter: Your gonna job. Boy: Huh? Promoter: You heard me boy, your gonna lose, he's a TNA Wrestler. Therefor, he's better than you. Boy: Do I still get paid, dad? Promoter: Of Course, son. Boy: It's cool to be champion.
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Post by kevx301 on Oct 1, 2007 12:25:23 GMT -5
I wish people would re-read my post. The promoter accomplished one thing; looking like a douche to TNA management. I've voiced different views, but all the blog does is not inform other promoters, but rather make this one promoter look ungrateful. Why would TNA continue to work with a promotion where there top guy is bashed or not acceptable? I read your post, but no matter what you think of the promoter, there is no argument for Samoa Joe's side. You can dislike the promoter, but Joe was still wrong as well. It is a tad unprofessional, however, Gabe Sapolsky and Paul Heyman especially have done rants just like this. Hahaha, Joe's side of the story is pretty different. I'd bet that the promoter didn't have enough cash to cover Joe, and didn't know TNA has a no jobbing policy on small shows. This is yet another reason not to book TNA guys on indy shows, to much politics. That's why AJ Styles lost to Kenny Omega in the very same promotion. There's no policy and no definition for a "small show". From what I heard they draw just as well as PWG does for their bigger events. Seems like that very loose "policy" ROH had where there champions couldn't lose because it might spoil a match they were building to. Samoa Joe let his ego get the best of him. It's that simple.
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Post by CBT on Oct 1, 2007 12:48:55 GMT -5
Kev, I never once condoned what Joe did.
However, business wise, you see the promoter in the right?
I'm not someone who'd stay quiet, but you gotta think that the blog he did, is gonna be read into by other forces in TNA. The ones who allow this promoter to utilize their contracted talent.
If I was him, I would handle it man to man, and maybe even bring attention to other promoters, but not at the expense of hurting your own promotion, which you're essentially doing, when you publicly take to task one of their premier athletes.
I mean, say WWE aloud their guys to work 1 indy a month, some promotion gets to book.... Randy Orton.
Sure it's a night and day comparison, but if you replaced Orton's name with Joe, you wind up with the same result.
You'd come off like some ass-hole promoter, and they'd be hesitant to send you anybody special after saying what you said.
Sorry, I just see it that way. TNA doesn't need to hold Joe's hand, but they aren't borrowing from Winnipeg, but rather loaning their own guys out. So they gotta watch out for their assets.
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Post by James Hetfield on Oct 1, 2007 15:00:29 GMT -5
I wonder if Joe will use that "TNA Wont Let Me Job" routine when he faces Misawa.
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Post by the franchise on Oct 1, 2007 16:21:29 GMT -5
That might work for random indy shows but I doubt it would work against Misawa. I can see him winning the tag match against Morishima and Misawa but I can't see him beating Misawa in the singles match.
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Post by P@ul on Oct 1, 2007 19:19:09 GMT -5
I just moved to Winnipeg, does anyone know if this promotion is still around?
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Post by PeroxWhy?Gen on Oct 1, 2007 19:25:12 GMT -5
I have a good friend who has been on and off with the iwc and I have heard the same thing from many people in that company too, it also seems like 3 of the 4 times I have seen joes at indy events someone gets broken ribs from stiff kicks. He is a Dick and I will admit I was a big fan but as of the past few months he can eat a dick
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Oct 1, 2007 19:33:12 GMT -5
Kev, I never once condoned what Joe did. However, business wise, you see the promoter in the right? I'm not someone who'd stay quiet, but you gotta think that the blog he did, is gonna be read into by other forces in TNA. The ones who allow this promoter to utilize their contracted talent. If I was him, I would handle it man to man, and maybe even bring attention to other promoters, but not at the expense of hurting your own promotion, which you're essentially doing, when you publicly take to task one of their premier athletes. I mean, say WWE aloud their guys to work 1 indy a month, some promotion gets to book.... Randy Orton. Sure it's a night and day comparison, but if you replaced Orton's name with Joe, you wind up with the same result. You'd come off like some ass-hole promoter, and they'd be hesitant to send you anybody special after saying what you said. Sorry, I just see it that way. TNA doesn't need to hold Joe's hand, but they aren't borrowing from Winnipeg, but rather loaning their own guys out. So they gotta watch out for their assets. TNA aint WWE and its not fair to make that comparison.
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Post by xshawnxwilliamsx on Oct 1, 2007 23:37:19 GMT -5
That was a pretty unnecessary comment, despite how over or how much money Joe is currently making that gives him no right to be such an arrogant dick. I'm still a total Joe fan, but that was quite uncalled for.
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Post by youcantstopit on Oct 2, 2007 14:58:07 GMT -5
What's funny about this entire situation is that the promoter is so full of crapabout the situation. He's not mentioning the fact that he didn't have enough money to pay Joe, or TNA. He's also not mentioning he knew ahead of time Joe could not lose on random indy shows. You people should stop reading craplike this and thinking it's 100% accurate without hearing both sides to the story.
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Post by kevx301 on Oct 2, 2007 15:03:07 GMT -5
What's funny about this entire situation is that the promoter is so full of **** about the situation. He's not mentioning the fact that he didn't have enough money to pay Joe, or TNA. He's also not mentioning he knew ahead of time Joe could not lose on random indy shows. You people should stop reading **** like this and thinking it's 100% accurate without hearing both sides to the story. So you automatically take Samoa Joe's side? I didn't go into this article with a bias, I read it and figured out that even if he is embellishing things, there's no way he could be lying. There is no policy about TNA wrestlers losing when AJ Styles lost to Kenny Omega just months before. I highly doubt he didn't have enough money to pay Joe either.
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Post by wolfpac on Oct 2, 2007 18:34:21 GMT -5
I just moved to Winnipeg, does anyone know if this promotion is still around? Yep, PCW runs out of the Lid Nightclub downtown. Plus there is RME, NWN and RCW. And they all usually bring in a name every 3 or 4 months.
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Post by youcantstopit on Oct 2, 2007 18:50:15 GMT -5
What's funny about this entire situation is that the promoter is so full of **** about the situation. He's not mentioning the fact that he didn't have enough money to pay Joe, or TNA. He's also not mentioning he knew ahead of time Joe could not lose on random indy shows. You people should stop reading **** like this and thinking it's 100% accurate without hearing both sides to the story. So you automatically take Samoa Joe's side? I didn't go into this article with a bias, I read it and figured out that even if he is embellishing things, there's no way he could be lying. There is no policy about TNA wrestlers losing when AJ Styles lost to Kenny Omega just months before. I highly doubt he didn't have enough money to pay Joe either. I'm not taking anyone's side, but the promoter is usually trying to screw the talent in one way or another in a company like this. Joe doesn't do jobs on random indies.
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Post by Ian from 616Entertainment. on Oct 2, 2007 19:56:06 GMT -5
I don't believe it. When I met Joe, both times, he was cool as hell. I would say more, but I'm on my PS3 right now, since my internet isn't working all that well.
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