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Post by Controversial Maverick PUNK on Jul 22, 2007 23:13:20 GMT -5
i just went thru like 5 pages and all i see is talk about the samoan crap machine or something....can i get some results Are you serious?... Samoa Joe is awesome - and I say that as a life-long WWE fan... Joe is one of the best things in wrestling, currently - he is amazing in the ring, and his promos are superb... I'd love for him to go to the WWE - even though it will never happen... As for the GAB - it was a waste of time, as far as I'm concerned... that overrated, scrub MVP won again - and Punk lost to that moron, Morrison, again... Punk had better win the belt at SS - if he doesn't then I'll be thoroughly disgusted... Vince needs to get his head out of his arse, and realise that the fans don't care a sh*t about Nitro/Morrison - and don't want him as ECW champion...
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Post by Stevo on Jul 22, 2007 23:19:51 GMT -5
Wait and who says which Superstar deserves the championships. what the so called Fans. I mean hell if the fans had their way. the championship would change hands every other day. because thats how often the flavor of the month changes. CM Punk would be champion. Worlds Greatest Tag team would be TT Champs, Matt Hardy would be United States champion. Jeff Hardy would be IC champion. Kennedy would be the WWE champion, Etc Etc. and as soon as everyone jumps on a diffrent bandwagon. someone else suddenly deserves the belt. You say Kahli doesnt deserve the championship. DID Andre deserve it. or how about David Arquette. Kahli is a Giant. he is a monster. so as champion it makes some David come along trying to slay the goliath. But what if Kane or Batista won. the fans would get rallyed up saying they dont serve it either. But again. Who says who deserves what. A Monster wins the championship in a battle royal. retains against two other big monsters. its not a bad story. its a giant winning matches. doesnt matter if he swats people or kicks them. he isnt supposed to do a frogsplash or drop kick. he is a GIANT. Giants Swat and Kick thats about it. go back and watch Andre the Giant matches. show me him doing a drop kick or a figure four. Can Khali hit more than 3 moves in a match? For a guy who knows his old-school wrestling, you sure are an idiot. Khali = Andre? Are you kidding me? Andre was unique, he could actually hold a match. Andre actually had fans' respect. In the 70s and up to the early 80s, Andre actually had some very good matches, WRESTLING wise. Khali can't do jack. He pushes no t-shirt sales. Has no note-worthy wrestling matches, can't speak (and his interpreter can't speak either), and does nothing for the belt. Even Arquette pushed "Ready 2 Rumble" sales, and he could hold his own on the mic. Now, him winning the belt was a dumbass move, but thats about equal to saying "Hmm, Khali should be champ." Tell me, why DOES he deserve the title? Batista,when paired with the right guy, could actually have a decent to good wrestling match. (Batista vs Taker didn't get bad reviews) The IWC has wanted a Kane run for years. I'm sorry, but what point are you trying to prove here? How stupid you can make yourself look? Khali is equal to Andre, gosh.
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Post by The Undertaker on Jul 22, 2007 23:24:01 GMT -5
you know back in the day. championships changed hands maybe once or twice a year. so For someone like myself who has been watching wrestling since 78. I actually Like. its promotions like WCW and TNA who change championships so often it gives Wannabe Wrestling fans a fit of rage. almost like half the fans now have ADD. I mean so what. So if Umaga or Cena or Kahli lose the belts at summerslam it will make it more important and give the fans a bigger reason to cheer. its called chasing a championship. I dont mind seeing CENA as champion for a year. Hell Hogan held it for YEARS. and nobody complained. FLAIR held the NWA for YEARS and nobody complained. But this new generation of so called wrestling fans bitch about every single little thing. I mean I had to sit through Bastian Booger matches, Aldo Montoya matches. Lazer Tron matches, Chucky in WCW. Glacier a Mortal Kombat rip off. A Kiss Demon, A dungeon of doom with guys named Shark, Zodiac, the Yeti. I mean come on. you cry about really dumb things. honestly. Its been said a million times. and I will say it again DONT LIKE IT. DONT WATCH IT. but please Stop Pretending to hate a PPV just because everyone else does. make a Claim that your gonna stop watching the WWE and then the next day we see you in the RAW thread saying the exact same thing again and again. I am sorry. but I honestly think the IWC and half the fans are to blame for whats happening to Pro Wrestling. NOT THE WWE. Blame yourselves. You jumped in 95 from WWF To WCW and ECW and made them popular. then you jumped back to the WWF from WCW and ECW. and made them even more popular. and because of this both WCW and ECW sank because the fans stopped buying. GET IT!!! This is the WWE forum. LET the WWE fans enjoy the WWE without someone trying to be negative every single day. its getting annoying oh AND HAVE A NICE DAY. lol Are you brain-dead, or have you not seen the IWC speak? Have you ever heard of Wrestlecrap? If not, let me explain. Back in the older WWF and WCW days, there were writing decisions so bad, that today the only thing we can do is laugh at them and say "those were the days (of stupidity.)" Now, this ENTIRE PPV has Wrestlecrap written all over it. Years later, we may laugh about this, but for the today and now, it is bull ****! Do you think people loved Robocop in WCW, or Arquette winning the belt, or the silly storylines with the Dungeon of Doom, or Bastion Booger, or any of that? No! Die-hard fans saw it as a disgrace, but casual fans laughed it off. And buddy, there are very few fans here on WF who can laugh it off. So, if you don't like hearing the logical negatives of a PPV, don't log on to WF. DON'T LIKE IT, DON'T LOG ON! And maybe we wouldn't bitch if the WWE gave us someone who can hold a match to hold the belt for a year. RVD? Edge? Jericho? Benoit? Guerrero? Maybe after a while, there would be a little bitching, but not to the extent that Khali, Cena, and Umaga get and deserve. Khali holding the belt for more than a day is a crime, and Cena has had two logical title defense in the past year. Everything else was a PPV tag match or some "monster" bull ****. Amen Stevo....Amen.
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Post by gothackedagain on Jul 22, 2007 23:27:54 GMT -5
I love how at the end of every WWE PPV there is a huge battle between The Real Wrestling Fans as they call themselves, better known as the Internet Wrestling Community and everyone else. Some of you guys need to grow up. If you want wrestling, go watch something else. It's called World Wrestling Entertainment and whether you like it or not, no matter how much you bitch, it will not change.
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Post by elviswashere2006 on Jul 22, 2007 23:32:51 GMT -5
Wait and who says which Superstar deserves the championships. what the so called Fans. I mean hell if the fans had their way. the championship would change hands every other day. because thats how often the flavor of the month changes. CM Punk would be champion. Worlds Greatest Tag team would be TT Champs, Matt Hardy would be United States champion. Jeff Hardy would be IC champion. Kennedy would be the WWE champion, Etc Etc. and as soon as everyone jumps on a diffrent bandwagon. someone else suddenly deserves the belt. You say Kahli doesnt deserve the championship. DID Andre deserve it. or how about David Arquette. Kahli is a Giant. he is a monster. so as champion it makes some David come along trying to slay the goliath. But what if Kane or Batista won. the fans would get rallyed up saying they dont serve it either. But again. Who says who deserves what. A Monster wins the championship in a battle royal. retains against two other big monsters. its not a bad story. its a giant winning matches. doesnt matter if he swats people or kicks them. he isnt supposed to do a frogsplash or drop kick. he is a GIANT. Giants Swat and Kick thats about it. go back and watch Andre the Giant matches. show me him doing a drop kick or a figure four. Can Khali hit more than 3 moves in a match? For a guy who knows his old-school wrestling, you sure are an idiot. Khali = Andre? Are you kidding me? Andre was unique, he could actually hold a match. Andre actually had fans' respect. In the 70s and up to the early 80s, Andre actually had some very good matches, WRESTLING wise. Khali can't do jack. He pushes no t-shirt sales. Has no note-worthy wrestling matches, can't speak (and his interpreter can't speak either), and does nothing for the belt. Even Arquette pushed "Ready 2 Rumble" sales, and he could hold his own on the mic. Now, him winning the belt was a dumbass move, but thats about equal to saying "Hmm, Khali should be champ." Tell me, why DOES he deserve the title? Batista,when paired with the right guy, could actually have a decent to good wrestling match. (Batista vs Taker didn't get bad reviews) The IWC has wanted a Kane run for years. I'm sorry, but what point are you trying to prove here? How stupid you can make yourself look? Khali is equal to Andre, gosh. No, but thank you for proving my point about So called Wrestling Fans. So please Explain to me why RVD Deserved the WWE championship. oh wait. he did have it. and he blew it by showing us what a real role model was. Eddie Held it. Benoit Held it, Jericho Held it. and when the hell did i compare Andre to Kahli. if you actually read what i wrote I said, Andre was capable of great wrestling matches. and I am sure Kahli is as well. but see your only seeing whats in the foreground and not the background. I have seen Dalip Singh aka Great Kahli wrestling. he knows how to wrestle matches. and has had great ones. Google it or something. Just because the WWE only lets him do a few moves in the ring. doesnt make it right for you to say Who Deserves it and who doesnt. but lets go back to how everyone said RVD deserved the championship. So he was given not One but TWO championships. was given Main event Status. made a role model for Kids (Because you are not the only fans watching wrestling). and what did he do. he got busted and embarrassed the WWE. So he got punished for a year. but yet half of the fans will see no wrong in a WWE Champion Role Model Smoking pot. because thats the Cool thing to do. HE BLEW IT. He had it given to him. Vince gave him his Reign and he blew it. so please tell me why RVD Deserves it. dont give me that Oh he suffered enough crap either. Triple H got Burried for a year and Half before he started wining matches again. RVD got punished for Less then that. and they gave HIM the win at WM23. stop being so friggin greedy and let things just happen
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Post by elviswashere2006 on Jul 22, 2007 23:34:15 GMT -5
I love how at the end of every WWE PPV there is a huge battle between The Real Wrestling Fans as they call themselves, better known as the Internet Wrestling Community and everyone else. Some of you guys need to grow up. If you want wrestling, go watch something else. It's called World Wrestling Entertainment and whether you like it or not, no matter how much you bitch, it will not change. AMEN brotha
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Post by Mark on Jul 22, 2007 23:44:14 GMT -5
I love how at the end of every WWE PPV there is a huge battle between The Real Wrestling Fans as they call themselves, better known as the Internet Wrestling Community and everyone else. Some of you guys need to grow up. If you want wrestling, go watch something else. It's called World Wrestling Entertainment and whether you like it or not, no matter how much you bitch, it will not change. people who watch WWE arent real wrestling fans form what ive been told
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Post by WalterF on Jul 22, 2007 23:44:43 GMT -5
Everyone does need to stop taking everything so seriously. Me ... I prefer the 90's style. There are reasons why I prefer it over today's product. I'm sure some have reasons to like today's stuff over that period. It doesn't matter an there is no reason to be slinging insults and all of this crap. I watch my old tapes and DVD's and that's good enough. Wrestling is ever-changing and that's something everyone needs to understand.
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Post by Controversial Maverick PUNK on Jul 22, 2007 23:45:23 GMT -5
I'm glad we got this free over here - I wouldn't have been happy paying for what we saw tonight... There was one positive though - Lashley losing to Cena... Bobby Lashley is a joke, who doesn't deserve to be in the main-event, let alone win the most prestigious title in the company... Oh, and I can't believe that some people actually want Orton, to take the belt from Cena - Orton is a bigger joke, than Lashley is...
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Post by k9c93 on Jul 22, 2007 23:48:23 GMT -5
I'm glad we got this free over here - I wouldn't have been happy paying for what we saw tonight... There was one positive though - Lashley losing to Cena... Bobby Lashley is a joke, who doesn't deserve to be in the main-event, let alone win the most prestigious title in the company... Oh, and I can't believe that some people actually want Orton, to take the belt from Cena - Orton is a bigger joke, than Lashley... haha u make me laugh man
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Post by Stevo on Jul 23, 2007 0:04:21 GMT -5
I love how at the end of every WWE PPV there is a huge battle between The Real Wrestling Fans as they call themselves, better known as the Internet Wrestling Community and everyone else. Some of you guys need to grow up. If you want wrestling, go watch something else. It's called World Wrestling Entertainment and whether you like it or not, no matter how much you bitch, it will not change. That is easily one of the worst arguments I've ever heard. If I want wrestling, I should watch something else? Do you mean that professional wrestling should not include wrestling, and wrestling fans should not be pro-wrestling fans? And by the way, World Wrestling Entertainment. Wrestling comes before Entertainment. Can Khali hit more than 3 moves in a match? For a guy who knows his old-school wrestling, you sure are an idiot. Khali = Andre? Are you kidding me? Andre was unique, he could actually hold a match. Andre actually had fans' respect. In the 70s and up to the early 80s, Andre actually had some very good matches, WRESTLING wise. Khali can't do jack. He pushes no t-shirt sales. Has no note-worthy wrestling matches, can't speak (and his interpreter can't speak either), and does nothing for the belt. Even Arquette pushed "Ready 2 Rumble" sales, and he could hold his own on the mic. Now, him winning the belt was a dumbass move, but thats about equal to saying "Hmm, Khali should be champ." Tell me, why DOES he deserve the title? Batista,when paired with the right guy, could actually have a decent to good wrestling match. (Batista vs Taker didn't get bad reviews) The IWC has wanted a Kane run for years. I'm sorry, but what point are you trying to prove here? How stupid you can make yourself look? Khali is equal to Andre, gosh. No, but thank you for proving my point about So called Wrestling Fans. So please Explain to me why RVD Deserved the WWE championship. oh wait. he did have it. and he blew it by showing us what a real role model was. Eddie Held it. Benoit Held it, Jericho Held it. and when the hell did i compare Andre to Kahli. if you actually read what i wrote I said, Andre was capable of great wrestling matches. and I am sure Kahli is as well. but see your only seeing whats in the foreground and not the background. I have seen Dalip Singh aka Great Kahli wrestling. he knows how to wrestle matches. and has had great ones. Google it or something. Just because the WWE only lets him do a few moves in the ring. doesnt make it right for you to say Who Deserves it and who doesnt. but lets go back to how everyone said RVD deserved the championship. So he was given not One but TWO championships. was given Main event Status. made a role model for Kids (Because you are not the only fans watching wrestling). and what did he do. he got busted and embarrassed the WWE. So he got punished for a year. but yet half of the fans will see no wrong in a WWE Champion Role Model Smoking pot. because thats the Cool thing to do. HE BLEW IT. He had it given to him. Vince gave him his Reign and he blew it. so please tell me why RVD Deserves it. dont give me that Oh he suffered enough crap either. Triple H got Burried for a year and Half before he started wining matches again. RVD got punished for Less then that. and they gave HIM the win at WM23. stop being so friggin greedy and let things just happen So, I should choose to accept 1/2* matches from my World Heavyweight Champion? I have not seen a 4* match from the Great Khali. I, however, have seen a 4* match from Andre the Giant. Now, I choose to believe the visual evidence over you just "saying so." And yes, RVD messed up. I'm not against Vince punishing him for it. But when push comes to shove, RVD has given his life for the business. He has a list of great matches, many accomplishments, and he deserved more than he got. He did his time, he lost both titles in two nights. So, because he was busted for pot, something unrelated to wrestling, he shouldn't ever win the WWE Title again? I'm sorry, but Khali once killed a man, Orton has recieved a dishonorable discharge, and Brock Lesnar was busted for steroids. Now, these aren't directly WWE related, but they were mistakes made by the wrestlers. The difference from these instances and RVD's case are that all three of these happened, AND THEN the guys won World Titles. So, they shouldn't deserve the belt using your own ideology. And yes, you said "Did Andre deserve it?" You compared the IWC saying "Does Khali deserve the belt" to Andre deserving the belt. And if you don't know, Khali's reign is already better than Andre's. Which is, once again, bullcrap.
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Post by Mr. PerpetuaLynch Motion on Jul 23, 2007 0:18:41 GMT -5
That seemed like a bad Pay Per View. I mean they had 7 titles on the line on that Pay Per View and of those 6 titles, Cena, Khali, Morrison, Candice, MVP, and Umaga all retained. Now it almost made the PPV a moot point. Who wants to pay for a PPV only to see Hornswoggle be the only new champion? Not to mention the current title scene is probably in the worst shape I have ever seen especially with the 3 World Champs... you know back in the day. championships changed hands maybe once or twice a year. so For someone like myself who has been watching wrestling since 78. I actually Like. its promotions like WCW and TNA who change championships so often it gives Wannabe Wrestling fans a fit of rage. almost like half the fans now have ADD. I mean so what. So if Umaga or Cena or Kahli lose the belts at summerslam it will make it more important and give the fans a bigger reason to cheer. its called chasing a championship. I dont mind seeing CENA as champion for a year. Hell Hogan held it for YEARS. and nobody complained. FLAIR held the NWA for YEARS and nobody complained. But this new generation of so called wrestling fans bitch about every single little thing. I mean I had to sit through Bastian Booger matches, Aldo Montoya matches. Lazer Tron matches, Chucky in WCW. Glacier a Mortal Kombat rip off. A Kiss Demon, A dungeon of doom with guys named Shark, Zodiac, the Yeti. I mean come on. you cry about really dumb things. honestly. Its been said a million times. and I will say it again DONT LIKE IT. DONT WATCH IT. but please Stop Pretending to hate a PPV just because everyone else does. make a Claim that your gonna stop watching the WWE and then the next day we see you in the RAW thread saying the exact same thing again and again. I am sorry. but I honestly think the IWC and half the fans are to blame for whats happening to Pro Wrestling. NOT THE WWE. Blame yourselves. You jumped in 95 from WWF To WCW and ECW and made them popular. then you jumped back to the WWF from WCW and ECW. and made them even more popular. and because of this both WCW and ECW sank because the fans stopped buying. GET IT!!! This is the WWE forum. LET the WWE fans enjoy the WWE without someone trying to be negative every single day. its getting annoying oh AND HAVE A NICE DAY. lol Now wait a second, I don't know why you are singalling me out here. Yeah I can appreciate it when champions retain their titles for very long periods of time... however when those champions can't wrestle worth a lick (Khali) or are boring as (Morrison) I would expect a new champion soon. Wrestling fans today bitch about everything because I believe right now is probably the worst time to be a wrestling fan. There is NO upside to Wrestling (WWE has limited good talent and TNA is not exactly changing things for the better) they bitch about everything for the most part because of a good reason. Now again, I don't understand why you chose to single me out for this post... I rarely bitch about ANYTHING wrestling, hell I am a HUGE WWE fan but when I see that a PPV featured EVERY SINGLE CHAMPION I think "Why bother ordering it?" I mean seriously, why should I want to pay money just to see every champion soundly beat their opponents? It just irritates me... OK, now you are just bitching for the sake of bitching. Seriously, did you even read my post? Hell, I didn't even see the PPV which is why I said "It seemed like a bad PPV" And to be perfectly honest, here is how I arose to that decision. I woke up at 9 O'Clock, looked on WWE.com, saw that EVERY champ retained, came on here and said "That SEEMED like a bad PPV" I am not "pretending" to hate the PPV, I do hate the PPV, I was going to watch the replay pending on the results but now why should I bother? It seemed like a bad PPV. Also, I never claim that I am going to stop watching the WWE. Hell, as long as I am a wrestling fan I will watch the WWE (Even though, as I said, this is probably one of the worst periods of time to be a wrestling fan). I hate when people say "I will never watch the WWE again" because it's like saying "I'm never shopping at Wal Mart again" or "I'm never eating at McDonalds again" because we all know you will. That is why I never claim stuff like that... The only thing I think the IWC is responsible for is ruining spontaneity. If it wasn't for the IWC, there would be no spoilers and everything that happens would be a huge shock. Why should we blame ourselves? I would let the WWE fans (IE, Me) enjoy this pay per view however even some of the biggest WWE fans are saying this Pay Per View fricken sucked... Without the negativity, the WWE can continue putting out sub-par programming. If people don't complain and give constructive criticism, the WWE will think that nothing is wrong. So you are expecting EVERYONE in the WORLD to just sit back, accept mediocre programming and "Sit down, like it and watch it"... sorry, that is not how things work. That is probably the craptiest mentality in the world... don't like it, don't watch it? Seriously, that is like giving up and saying "Yeah we don't feel like giving you this prime rib so we are giving you this plate of liver covered in crap" and then you saying "Alright, I guess I'll just sit down and eat it..."
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Post by Andrewghbk99 on Jul 23, 2007 0:27:57 GMT -5
Pretty good ppv imo. I liked it. I really enjoyed Hardy/Umaga thought that was going to be a crappy match. The Khali match was ok aswell and the Cena/Lashley match was really good too imo.
But Ill probably get bashed for stating my opinion like this.
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Post by gothackedagain on Jul 23, 2007 2:23:25 GMT -5
SPOILER:Next month after SummerSlam, angry WWE fans are going to go on a wrestling figure forum and post about how much the WWE sucks thinking it will change something but little do they know that it will change nothing and they will still pay to see the pay per views just so they have something to bitch about.
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Post by Fury on Jul 23, 2007 2:26:31 GMT -5
I'm glad we got this free over here - I wouldn't have been happy paying for what we saw tonight... There was one positive though - Lashley losing to Cena... Bobby Lashley is a joke, who doesn't deserve to be in the main-event, let alone win the most prestigious title in the company... Oh, and I can't believe that some people actually want Orton, to take the belt from Cena - Orton is a bigger joke, than Lashley is... I don't ever agree with you but that is the most true thing I have seen you write imo. Best match was MVP/Hardy bar the ending. Whilst some may say that MVP is overrated, there is no denying he has talent. His deliverence is good, he portray's his character well and he is no slouch in the ring. Hornswaggle winning was nice. It's pretty stupid but as long as it's nothing too long then Im fine, Hornswaggle is entertaining. Overall the PPV was pretty disappointing and there was nothing must see.
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Post by Ollie on Jul 23, 2007 3:00:07 GMT -5
I think they'll have a couple of rematches, ideally the US and ECW matches, at Summerslam. I would rather see Jimmy Wang Yang as the Cruiserweight Champion, give it a bit more credibility. The IC should go to someone pushing for main event status. Kennedy would be PERFECT for this. He's not in a fued really, Super Crazy isn't much of a fued. He could win the Intercontinental at Summerslam (after fueding with Umaga), then once Orton beats Cena, Kennedy drops the belt with some Orton interference, leading to Orton/Kennedy at Survivor Series.
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Post by sincityhero on Jul 23, 2007 4:12:14 GMT -5
Cena wins again?...........
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Post by Dan on Jul 23, 2007 4:34:18 GMT -5
So Rey Mysterio was all over the PPV Posters, yet he didn't even Return? There's no reason why he couldn't have cost Chavo Guerrero the Cruiserweight Championship, or been a suprise entrant in the Cruiserweight Open.
Not quite sure where they are going to go from here with Khali as Champion, it will restore Batista some good momentum chasing the Belt, but there's nobody elseon the Smackdown Roster besides Batista and Kane that can challenge him.
I think at Summerslam they will book Great Khali V Rey Mysterio for the World Heavyweight Championship, in the Ultimate David V Goliath styled Match.
Was also upset that Bob Orton didn't Return and help Randy Orton to win. They could easily have made Bob Orton and Randy Orton V Dusty Rhodes and Cody Rhodes for Summerslam.
There's also no need for a John Cena V Bobby Lashley Rematch now either, so I take it Randy Orton will be Cena's challenger for the Title at Summerslam?
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Post by jlk on Jul 23, 2007 5:07:15 GMT -5
I thought it was a great PPV, enjoyed it alot. Glad Cena retained.
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Post by mickeyj1130 on Jul 23, 2007 5:23:23 GMT -5
I have no sympathy for anyone who wasted their money last night, you know the PPV was going to suck, you have the power to save $40.....Don't buy the WWE crap if it sucks, maybe someday they will get the hint...
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