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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Oct 26, 2007 17:39:37 GMT -5
I don' think the words Devon Moore and rocked have ever gone together before. What are you kidding me?! You live in Philly and were at Point Proven. He rocked at Point Proven too. Devon is really starting to make a name for himself in IWA:MS. I know Ian is high on him. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2007 19:09:21 GMT -5
yeah devon is the shit, his match was pretty good.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Oct 26, 2007 20:18:01 GMT -5
yeah devon is the ****, his match was pretty good. He has drastically improved since his days with Trent Acid in PWU. This guy is definitely a future star. He needs a little more bulkiness though. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2007 20:29:10 GMT -5
I though he would be a big player in years to come since i first saw him. he has been getting great, his matches with chuck taylor were really good.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2007 22:02:38 GMT -5
I'm gonna answer everybody's questions...
Is Chris Bosh racist...
Yes
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Post by CBT on Oct 27, 2007 10:46:22 GMT -5
I'm gonna answer everybody's questions... Is Chris Bosh racist... Yes The originator of the 'dick in a box' is racist? No picz, No proof!  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2007 14:06:51 GMT -5
Is Bosh Christ? yes buy my wii cgi.EBAY LINK NOT ALLOWED/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200167410228 |
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Post by gatecitysinner on Oct 28, 2007 0:54:57 GMT -5
Sorry I hadn't posted in a while, I forgot we had an argument raging on here and have been really busy with the customs and whatnot.
Guru-- I don't mean to annoy you, we just have different ideas of what good and bad are. Every wrestler has a strong opinion because they always think they're right. I feel that my years in the business, seeing the garbage that in independent wrestling and studying what good wrestling is I know know what is bad and good. Believe me, I don't mean to sound "smarky", which I assume is some reference to smart marks(never heard it used that way), because I don't. I actually hate marks in general. They're what's wrong with wrestling, and at a close second is the bookers/promoters/wrestlers.
CM Showstopper-- I enjoy disagreeing with people because it always gets things going, and I have a way of bashing people to the point where people get angry, and for that I apologize. Again, I assure you that this is the first time I've had people argue with me over Quack, because everyone I talk to thinks he's bad as well, I just can't get them on here to argue along with me. To suggest I know nothing about wrestling is really quite insulting. I'm not going to pull that whole "I'm a wrestler therefor I know more than you" deal because I know a lot of dumb wrestlers and that is not true at all, but I have been watching wrestling for a long time, I've been around wrestling for a long time and one time while being yelled at by a former ECW star he mentioned that one day I would realize what wrestling is, and indeed I did. I see wrestling much different than most of you. I'm not saying I'm not impressed with Quack because I am, he's very agile and can do things I cannot, but he doesn't impress me with his technical ability. I like to think about it this way, if a particular wrestler was around 50 years ago would he have made it? I think Brian Danielson would have because he is very smart in the way he works, but Quack would've been lunch meat for guys like Billy Robinson. I've never met Quack, he might be a good guy, I've never wrestled him so I don't know how he is in the ring personally. Maybe he can wrestle to someone else's pace, but from what I've seen he does exactly what he wants and it comes off as a high flier just trying to show off his agility.
CBT-- I have not seen enough of Claudio Castagnoli to base an opinion of him. I've seen little here and there, most recently because my buddy mentioned how he liked him so I wanted to see what he could do, and then I bashed my buddy for liking him. Aside from his million forearms which I cannot stand and the fact that he hangs out with that anti-wrestler Chris Hero, I find many flaws in what he does. I might be wrong, if you give me a list of matches to watch I'll get my hands on them and give him a chance. I just find most of these indy wrestlers to be flat. You may like him, but he doesn't do it for me.
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Post by becca on Oct 28, 2007 1:59:58 GMT -5
I like to think about it this way, if a particular wrestler was around 50 years ago would he have made it? First, everyone is entitled to their own parameters for good wrestling. But that logic is  ed. Things progress and change. Nothing is as it was 50 years ago. Today's TV would have been obscene 50 years ago. Today's music would have been noise. Today's sports heroes.. well, probably would run all over those from 50 years ago, what with steroids. The point is that everything progresses, and to act like wrestling is, or should be, an unchanging institution is kind of ridiculous. You are clearly into a specific style of wrestling, but there are tons of different styles. Because it is your preference doesn't make it better. And you've watched a lot of wrestling, you are a wrestler, I get it. The fact is, the audience matters. The people who don't know everything matter. They buy tickets, they cheer, they tune in and they buy PPVs. So don't think that your experience somehow elevates the importance of your opinion. |
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Post by gatecitysinner on Oct 28, 2007 2:22:19 GMT -5
All good points, but please keep in mind that I start all of my posts with the same line......
"Everyone has their opinions on what good and bad wrestling is".
Mine may not be right, it may not be wrong, but it works for arguing. I just wish I had some more people on here to back me up.
Wrestling fans, of course, are important to wrestling.....I just don't like them.
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Post by CBT on Oct 28, 2007 12:20:38 GMT -5
All good points, but please keep in mind that I start all of my posts with the same line...... "Everyone has their opinions on what good and bad wrestling is". Mine may not be right, it may not be wrong, but it works for arguing. I just wish I had some more people on here to back me up. Wrestling fans, of course, are important to wrestling.....I just don't like them.Even when there's only a dozen of them, and they're relatives or in-laws? You'd be surprised the intelligence level, at some times, of this board. If this was a year ago, my comment wouldn't even tread to you. I'm not saying at all that we can't have an opposing theory of what makes a good wrestler. However, how old are you? When did you become a fan? Because, there's an age or immanent level of experience, for your logic. I don't think you've met either yet, and it's just an attempt to rebel. Honestly, I love the old school. I've got more knowledge of things that went on when I was not a fan, than when I was. However, I'm not about to buffet on my foot with what gets over that I wasn't around to witness untill now. |
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Post by gatecitysinner on Oct 28, 2007 15:33:29 GMT -5
Dozens? Please man, you've obviously never been to a CWF show. We get at least 25 people a show. Who cares if they pay or not. I'm not sure if you were insulting me or not, I don't book the shows, no sweat of my sac.
I am 23, I've been watching wrestling since before I can remember. My earliest memory is of watching Wrestlemania V when I was 4 years old, rooting for Rick Rude over the Ultimate Warrior.
Your comments have gone from questioning my personal view of wrestling to just insulting me, saying I'm not smart or don't "get" wrestling. I'm not going to argue with you about what I know and what you know, because the truth of the matter is that you could be a 15 year old kid who got into wrestling 4 years ago, or you could be 35 years old and have been watching since before I was born, who's to know.
My point is, and I want you to listen to me very carefully, from my experiences, and those include both wrestling and watching wrestling, that my views on wrestling are a certain way. I don't care for guys like Quack and Chris Hero and Amazing Red. I enjoy watching guys that build things up. I like watching guys that do things for a reason.
This is the way I look at things. What/who are these people wrestling for? Are they wrestling for the fans, do they wrestle for their wives/girlfriends/parents/friends, do they wrestle for themselves? The only right answer is that they wrestle for wrestling. They don't do things to get themselves over in their minds or the fans minds, they do things that get over in wrestling. If you cannot understand that then maybe you never will.
Do not insult me anymore, I'm trying to argue with serious points and what I feel is right. I don't call you stupid or an idiot for what you believe, don't do that to me.
It does not give me pleasure to sit behind my computer and feel like the "outsider" by saying the guys you like are bad, I'm just trying to express my feelings on wrestling.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Oct 28, 2007 16:55:53 GMT -5
Insulting gatecitysinner just to insult him isnt going to do anyone any good.
That being said.......gatecity, you come to an indy board and start talking about how crappy guys like Quack and Hero are when the rest of this board will tell you that they are 2 of the best on the indy circuit. I've said it before and I'll say it again.....you can say you dont like them. You can say you dont enjoy watching them. But you cannot deny that they are 2 of the best.
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Post by Kliff and the Brewers on Oct 28, 2007 16:56:46 GMT -5
Wrestling fans, of course, are important to wrestling.....I just don't like them. How do you not like wrestling fans? Thats pretty damn ignorant to say. After all, the biggest wrestling fans are the wrestlers themselves. |
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Post by gatecitysinner on Oct 28, 2007 17:11:11 GMT -5
That's just the point, I can deny that they are 2 of the best. I would not put them on any kind of top list of indy wrestlers. I find nothing about them to be all that great.
As for Mikey Kliff, ignorant is saying that wrestlers are the biggest wrestling fans. Most wrestlers don't talk about wrestling outside of their matches. You'd be surprised that 90% of the conversations backstage at shows involve football and baseball.
Wrestling fans are very bad, the ones that know nothing can't appreciate the good stuff, and the ones that know stuff think they know everything and only try and get themselves over. What would I rather have, a mark who boos a bad guy despite them being a great wrestler, or a smart mark who cheers the guys that they're told are good and therefor try and tell everyone else how good they are. I've been in front of both kinds, and both are equally as bad.
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Post by Mr. Bo Ziffer on Oct 28, 2007 17:38:11 GMT -5
We interupt this e-fight for a quick question:
Is death before dishonor 4 worth picking up?
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Post by hottiepants on Oct 28, 2007 17:41:47 GMT -5
Wrestling fans, of course, are important to wrestling.....I just don't like them. You wouldn't be here without them. |
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Post by lariato on Oct 28, 2007 17:44:16 GMT -5
As for Mikey Kliff, ignorant is saying that wrestlers are the biggest wrestling fans. Most wrestlers don't talk about wrestling outside of their matches. You'd be surprised that 90% of the conversations backstage at shows involve football and baseball. Maybe it's different in an ROH/WWE/TNA backstage atmosphere, because they care alot more about their matches then small indy feds? |
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Post by Kliff and the Brewers on Oct 28, 2007 17:49:47 GMT -5
As for Mikey Kliff, ignorant is saying that wrestlers are the biggest wrestling fans. Most wrestlers don't talk about wrestling outside of their matches. You'd be surprised that 90% of the conversations backstage at shows involve football and baseball. Wrestling fans are very bad, the ones that know nothing can't appreciate the good stuff, and the ones that know stuff think they know everything and only try and get themselves over. What would I rather have, a mark who boos a bad guy despite them being a great wrestler, or a smart mark who cheers the guys that they're told are good and therefor try and tell everyone else how good they are. I've been in front of both kinds, and both are equally as bad. I guess you havnt been around many locker rooms or at least the right ones. Good wrestlers live and breath wrestling. Their rooms are filled with tapes. They may not watch WWE or TNA, but they're constantly watching tapes and learning. Wrestling fans are either die hards, or casual... for the most part. You have your casual fans who watch TV wrestling once in a while and cheer for a five star frog splash. On the other hand, your die-hards..... either smart mark or not. Will tend to demand a lot more for a good applause. Wresters are the same way. For every Danielson, Hero, or Regal out there, you've got 250 Jimmy Gimmick's out there who wrestle 1-4 times a month, and couldnt sell out a venue if their life depended on it. They don't look like superstars, and don't act like it. If your going to call out wrestling fans for being annoying, call out every one of them. |
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Post by gatecitysinner on Oct 28, 2007 18:17:39 GMT -5
I did call out every wrestling fan.
As for saying there are 250 wrestlers for every Hero, that's false. People like Chris Hero are a dime a dozen. You putting him in the same sentence as Steven Regal is so absurd. There are about 2,000 wrestlers for every Regal.
How many locker rooms have you been in? Stop assuming I wrestle once a month in the same place everytime. I've wrestled for a lot of different companies in a lot of different states for a lot of different promoters. I see it now, you worked for a while a few years ago. How many places did you go? Next you'll tell me that you have the passion for wrestling and that's all that counts. Please man. You ever heard of the Barbarian? The man never talks about wrestling, he'll go on for hours about the Oakland Raiders. Bobby Eaton is a big baseball fan. Jimmy Hart talked more about his favorite places to eat in Memphis than anything. The Steiner brothers love to talk about college football. Don't give me that "good wrestlers live and breathe wrestling" schitck, real wrestlers do study tapes and train hard, but they don't constantly talk about wrestling.
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