Indy feds Banter Chat

How can you judge teams you barely have seen perform? How many Omega Hardy matches have you seen? How many IWC, PWE, and ICW Suicide Blonde matches have you seen? Please tell me. Cuz if you havent. You havent seen their best work. So how can you be fair to judge 2 teams that you havent seen the best of?

I have seen the best of the Steiners. I have a right to judge and can offer an intelligent debate. You are blinded by your own ignorance. If I am wrong....correct me. Tell me the best matches you have seen the Hardys perform in. Tell me the best matches The Suicide Blondes have performed in. Lets break it down. And please do not bring up WWE matches.

I'm not gonna sit here and poll the IWC. Why? Because most of them havent seen crapoutside of the damn WWE. They have no idea what great wrestling is. The most intelligent wrestling fans post on the Other Feds board. Most of the IWC post on boards labeled WWE.

Kliff, I will get to my opinions on Ace Steel, Claudio Castognoli, Kawada, and Ultimo Dragon very shortly, but I have to address this-



How in the world does a man's occupation have anything to do with him being a dime a dozen? Honestly, what sense does that make? I was saying he's a dime a dozen because what he does is not special, it's done by every other loser on the indys. What he does......IN THE RING!!!!

You see, now you've gone from disagreeing with me to just flat out insulting me, so let me retort.

Who the are you? Where have you been? Who have you wrestled? Don't talk down to me like you've done something in the business when you haven't son. Don't ever think you can talk like that to me when you haven't even stepped into the ring before.

Just because you don't know who I am doesn't mean I don't have a name. I've wrestled in more companies in more states than you've seen on TV so don't talk like you know something.

I insult your boy and you insult me, well now we can call it even. You may call yourself a wrestling fan but for the rest of your life you can call yourself that from the stands. Maybe when you do start wrestling you'll understand the difference between what Chris Hero does and what a wrestler does. ing kids......

If you want to disagree with me that's fine, but don't insult me. I'm not going to be talked down to by some internet badass.

As for the guys Kliff mentioned-

Ace Steel- Haven't seen enough to base an opinion

Claudio Castognoli- As I said before, I haven't seen enough of him

Kawada- I'm not mega-huge into Puro but I do appreciate what they do. His matches with Misawa were so tough, it's great. I'm always a huge fan of people that make wrestling look somewhat real

Ultimo Dragon- Who doesn't like Ultimo Dragon? He's a great athlete with great timing and an excellent mind for the business

Did you want a longer opinion or would that suffice?

And as far as that Hardy Boyz thing goes, you cannot be serious in thinking the Hardy's are better. I live in North Carolina, I wrestle for a man who worked for OMEGA so yes I have seen enough OMEGA to base an opinion. The WWE Hardy Boyz are 100 times better than the indy ones. Not only were they taught more by the WWE agents, but they have 1000 times better opponents. Who could you have a better match with, Cham Pain or Ron Simmons? You people need to get off of this OMEGA bandwagon, it was absolutely ridiculous. They had 6 workers who had to dress up in 5 gimmicks each. The best worker to come out of there was Otto Schwanz. If it weren't for WWE and WCW slowing those guys down and helping them to understand how a match works then you wouldn't see the Hardys and Shane Helms on TV, they'd still be here jumping off of trunks in front of 30 people.

Totally off topic but, if any promotion ever did a show called "it's gotta be the old school bias" I'd pre-order that sh~t in a hurry.

Well I'm glad we were able to see eachother's views here, I can definitely see yours and you can see mine.

As far as my training goes yeah man i'll hit you up once that's done. I'm hoping I'm still a member here in like 3 years. I'd like to learn what you'd have to teach.

Exactly.

And I'm sorry....slowing matches down is just to build television drama. BORING! Give me OMEGA any day. Do you know how dumbed down The Hardys and Helms are right now? Forced to work a slower more boring pace.

And please do not get into a grammar discussion with me. Its completely irrelevant. I could use an apostrophe if I chose too, but I didnt see the real need to on a damn message board. Sorry if English is just too hard for you to understand.

Can anyone recomend some good RoH DVDs?

Not even commenting on your idea of the nature of Chris Hero's work...

However, you seem to judge people soley on their wrestling, and whether it fits your mold of what you like. For someone who is a wrestler and supposedly "gets wrestling," you seem to be missing all of the other aspects of the sport that make people enjoyable to watch like charisma, storytelling, psychology, promo skills, a look, the ability to engage a crowd and whatever else. From your point of view, as long as a guy has great old-school mat skills, he's golden, regardless of the other aspects. And I think that is a mistake.

And how have you seen enough of Hero to judge, but haven't seen enough of Claudio?

As we go back to Hero and what I judge people's ability on, I do factor all of that stuff in.

I like the fact that Hero can get so much heat, hell, I hate him so he must be doing something right, but as for the other stuff you cannot be serious.

Look- What look does this guy have? He's a tall lanky guy in a shirt and pants. Oh yeah, that strikes fear into the hearts of everyone. Watch out, here comes that guy that looks like he was stocking groceries last night.

Storytelling and Psychology- As for that, he builds absolutely nothing up. What kind of a story goes "explosion, explosion, explosion, and the huge climax how about a slightly different explosion".

The guy is an incredible athlete and generates tremendous heat, but when you give everything away so quickly the idea of a story is lost.

When it comes to me seeing Hero and not so much Claudio I went and watched several ROH matches and whatnot to see what all the fuss was about and that's how I discovered that I did not care for Chris Hero. Please, tell me what matches I need to watch with Claudio and I will watch them.

NO FIGHTING.