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Post by Edge618 on Apr 12, 2008 16:59:55 GMT -5
Cena is great. But people are so tired of him that they resort to saying things like he can't wrestle and that he sucks. If he took off a year and came back, and he did the same exact moves, the same exact way, people on here would praise him for how much he learned while he was gone. People are just sick of him
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Post by The Funniest Guy in Pants on Apr 12, 2008 17:28:25 GMT -5
Are you actually trying to tell me that just because some established wrestlers like John Cena, that means that I am not allowed to dislike him? Sorry, I have this annoying little habit where I THINK FOR MYSELF.
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Post by joebaia88 on Apr 12, 2008 18:42:58 GMT -5
You guys need to realize that its not the moves you do, its what you make the moves you do mean. moves moves moves moves moves is whats wrong with wrestling today, especially indy. Cena gets a huge reaction (be it positive or negative) from doing almost NOTHING. Thats when you know are good. John Cena doesnt need to do a shooting star DDT phoenix piledriver backdrop to be a good pro wrestler. He needs to get a reaction from a crowd that will pay money to see him win or see him get his ass kicked, and he does a damn good job of it. Im going to quote DR ING DEATH who my friend recently had a nice chat with: "Less is more , kid." - DrgoddamnDeath Steve Williams My sentiments exactly. Why people think a wrestler needs a moveset of 1,000,000 different moves and submission holds is beyond me. What gets more of a reaction, Carlito or Shelton doing some flippy dippy indie type move, or Cena slapping on the STFU? The '5 moves of doom' WAS what Bret Hart used, because it was part of his in ring formula. Same with HBK, especially now, it's reverse atomic drop, clothesline, bodyslam, elbow drop, SCM. Does having a set sequence of moves make them suck? No. It's how they build them into a match and use them that counts. The thing is with internet fans, they LOVE to bash whichever guy gets pushed to the top. With Brett people said he was boring, with HBK, people called him gay, then people said Austin and Rock couldn't wrestle and then it was HHH is only on top cos he's screwing Stephanie. Now it's Cena's turn. Nevermind the fact that around '03-'04, I remember a lot of the same internet fans creaming themselves over the mere prospect of Cena getting a push. So many wrestling fans are fickle, especially the IWC brand of wrestling 'fan'. And by the way, it makes me laugh that Kurt Angle is passing comment on other wrestler's abilities. Who in their right mind would bother to listen to Kurt Angle? The man's actually insane. And Jesus, if you want to talk about guys who are boring and repetitive in the ring, look no further than Kurt Angle. When he's calling a match, it's all counter this, counter that, ankle lock attempt, few suplexes, ankle lock attempt, some more counters and then another ankle lock. Slightly off topic, but that above point has made me think; who here misses the 'normal' Kurt Angle from 2000-2002?
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Post by American Phenom on Apr 12, 2008 18:51:13 GMT -5
You guys need to realize that its not the moves you do, its what you make the moves you do mean. moves moves moves moves moves is whats wrong with wrestling today, especially indy. Cena gets a huge reaction (be it positive or negative) from doing almost NOTHING. Thats when you know are good. John Cena doesnt need to do a shooting star DDT phoenix piledriver backdrop to be a good pro wrestler. He needs to get a reaction from a crowd that will pay money to see him win or see him get his ass kicked, and he does a damn good job of it. Im going to quote DR ING DEATH who my friend recently had a nice chat with: "Less is more , kid." - DrgoddamnDeath Steve Williams My sentiments exactly. Why people think a wrestler needs a moveset of 1,000,000 different moves and submission holds is beyond me. What gets more of a reaction, Carlito or Shelton doing some flippy dippy indie type move, or Cena slapping on the STFU? The '5 moves of doom' WAS what Bret Hart used, because it was part of his in ring formula. Same with HBK, especially now, it's reverse atomic drop, clothesline, bodyslam, elbow drop, SCM. Does having a set sequence of moves make them suck? No. It's how they build them into a match and use them that counts. The thing is with internet fans, they LOVE to bash whichever guy gets pushed to the top. With Brett people said he was boring, with HBK, people called him gay, then people said Austin and Rock couldn't wrestle and then it was HHH is only on top cos he's screwing Stephanie. Now it's Cena's turn. Nevermind the fact that around '03-'04, I remember a lot of the same internet fans creaming themselves over the mere prospect of Cena getting a push. So many wrestling fans are fickle, especially the IWC brand of wrestling 'fan'. And by the way, it makes me laugh that Kurt Angle is passing comment on other wrestler's abilities. Who in their right mind would bother to listen to Kurt Angle? The man's actually insane. And Jesus, if you want to talk about guys who are boring and repetitive in the ring, look no further than Kurt Angle. When he's calling a match, it's all counter this, counter that, ankle lock attempt, few suplexes, ankle lock attempt, some more counters and then another ankle lock. Slightly off topic, but that above point has made me think; who here misses the 'normal' Kurt Angle from 2000-2002? Kurt Angle just put on a ****1/2 star match at Global iMPACT, and he is guaranteed to steal the show tomorrow with Joe in a cage. He has still "got it", along with guys like Shawn Michaels, The Undertaker, and several others. And UNLIKE guys like Kane.
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Post by joebaia88 on Apr 12, 2008 19:10:26 GMT -5
My sentiments exactly. Why people think a wrestler needs a moveset of 1,000,000 different moves and submission holds is beyond me. What gets more of a reaction, Carlito or Shelton doing some flippy dippy indie type move, or Cena slapping on the STFU? The '5 moves of doom' WAS what Bret Hart used, because it was part of his in ring formula. Same with HBK, especially now, it's reverse atomic drop, clothesline, bodyslam, elbow drop, SCM. Does having a set sequence of moves make them suck? No. It's how they build them into a match and use them that counts. The thing is with internet fans, they LOVE to bash whichever guy gets pushed to the top. With Brett people said he was boring, with HBK, people called him gay, then people said Austin and Rock couldn't wrestle and then it was HHH is only on top cos he's screwing Stephanie. Now it's Cena's turn. Nevermind the fact that around '03-'04, I remember a lot of the same internet fans creaming themselves over the mere prospect of Cena getting a push. So many wrestling fans are fickle, especially the IWC brand of wrestling 'fan'. And by the way, it makes me laugh that Kurt Angle is passing comment on other wrestler's abilities. Who in their right mind would bother to listen to Kurt Angle? The man's actually insane. And Jesus, if you want to talk about guys who are boring and repetitive in the ring, look no further than Kurt Angle. When he's calling a match, it's all counter this, counter that, ankle lock attempt, few suplexes, ankle lock attempt, some more counters and then another ankle lock. Slightly off topic, but that above point has made me think; who here misses the 'normal' Kurt Angle from 2000-2002? Kurt Angle just put on a ****1/2 star match at Global iMPACT, and he is guaranteed to steal the show tomorrow with Joe in a cage. He has still "got it", along with guys like Shawn Michaels, The Undertaker, and several others. And UNLIKE guys like Kane. What does Kane have to do with anything? Sorry to go off topic a bit more, but looking at things subjectively with Angle, from the get go in the WWF/WWE, he was always put into programmes with ridiculously talented guys. In 2000 he worked with Jericho, Benoit, Taker, HHH and The Rock then in 2001 after he lost the Title he worked with Benoit again, then feuded with Austin. So, in his first 2 years with the company, look at the array of already established, top tier talent he had working with him. He was fantastic in these feuds don't get me wrong, but Jesus, it's hard to suck when your constantly feuding against the top guys in the company. Had Angle had to mix it up with Hardcore Holly, Tiger Ali Singh and the like in his formative years and not been pushed to the moon, would he have been able to shine as much? Would his talent have been as noticeable? Kurt hasn't got the talent to drag anyone to a great match. He needs the reigns kept on him, because if he's put in charge of a match, it becomes a car wreck most of the time. If the person with him has a set of nuts on them and decide their calling the shots and know what their doing, that's when Angle tends to shine.
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Post by fallenhero on Apr 12, 2008 19:20:37 GMT -5
Oh wait I just saw that you called Bret Hart the original 5 moves of doom holder, there went any credibility your opinion had. Wow, just wow... Vertical Suplex, Bulldog, Russian Legsweep, Backbreaker, and a Second Rope Elbow Drop I'm not saying he didn't have five moves of doom, douchebag. I was saying Bret wasn't the first guy to have a five move arsenal. Look back through MOST major faces in WWE's history. They've ALL been like that.
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Post by chumped on Apr 12, 2008 21:07:27 GMT -5
You guys need to realize that its not the moves you do, its what you make the moves you do mean. moves moves moves moves moves is whats wrong with wrestling today, especially indy. Cena gets a huge reaction (be it positive or negative) from doing almost NOTHING. Thats when you know are good. John Cena doesnt need to do a shooting star DDT phoenix piledriver backdrop to be a good pro wrestler. He needs to get a reaction from a crowd that will pay money to see him win or see him get his ass kicked, and he does a damn good job of it. Im going to quote DR ING DEATH who my friend recently had a nice chat with: "Less is more , kid." - DrgoddamnDeath Steve Williams My sentiments exactly. Why people think a wrestler needs a moveset of 1,000,000 different moves and submission holds is beyond me. What gets more of a reaction, Carlito or Shelton doing some flippy dippy indie type move, or Cena slapping on the STFU? The '5 moves of doom' WAS what Bret Hart used, because it was part of his in ring formula. Same with HBK, especially now, it's reverse atomic drop, clothesline, bodyslam, elbow drop, SCM. Does having a set sequence of moves make them suck? No. It's how they build them into a match and use them that counts. The thing is with internet fans, they LOVE to bash whichever guy gets pushed to the top. With Brett people said he was boring, with HBK, people called him gay, then people said Austin and Rock couldn't wrestle and then it was HHH is only on top cos he's screwing Stephanie. Now it's Cena's turn. Nevermind the fact that around '03-'04, I remember a lot of the same internet fans creaming themselves over the mere prospect of Cena getting a push. So many wrestling fans are fickle, especially the IWC brand of wrestling 'fan'. And by the way, it makes me laugh that Kurt Angle is passing comment on other wrestler's abilities. Who in their right mind would bother to listen to Kurt Angle? The man's actually insane. And Jesus, if you want to talk about guys who are boring and repetitive in the ring, look no further than Kurt Angle. When he's calling a match, it's all counter this, counter that, ankle lock attempt, few suplexes, ankle lock attempt, some more counters and then another ankle lock. Slightly off topic, but that above point has made me think; who here misses the 'normal' Kurt Angle from 2000-2002? The fact that you just called Kurt Angle boring,and basically said he needs to be carried in your next post, makes you quite possibly the dumbest person here.
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Post by joebaia88 on Apr 12, 2008 21:27:38 GMT -5
My sentiments exactly. Why people think a wrestler needs a moveset of 1,000,000 different moves and submission holds is beyond me. What gets more of a reaction, Carlito or Shelton doing some flippy dippy indie type move, or Cena slapping on the STFU? The '5 moves of doom' WAS what Bret Hart used, because it was part of his in ring formula. Same with HBK, especially now, it's reverse atomic drop, clothesline, bodyslam, elbow drop, SCM. Does having a set sequence of moves make them suck? No. It's how they build them into a match and use them that counts. The thing is with internet fans, they LOVE to bash whichever guy gets pushed to the top. With Brett people said he was boring, with HBK, people called him gay, then people said Austin and Rock couldn't wrestle and then it was HHH is only on top cos he's screwing Stephanie. Now it's Cena's turn. Nevermind the fact that around '03-'04, I remember a lot of the same internet fans creaming themselves over the mere prospect of Cena getting a push. So many wrestling fans are fickle, especially the IWC brand of wrestling 'fan'. And by the way, it makes me laugh that Kurt Angle is passing comment on other wrestler's abilities. Who in their right mind would bother to listen to Kurt Angle? The man's actually insane. And Jesus, if you want to talk about guys who are boring and repetitive in the ring, look no further than Kurt Angle. When he's calling a match, it's all counter this, counter that, ankle lock attempt, few suplexes, ankle lock attempt, some more counters and then another ankle lock. Slightly off topic, but that above point has made me think; who here misses the 'normal' Kurt Angle from 2000-2002? The fact that you just called Kurt Angle boring,and basically said he needs to be carried in your next post, makes you quite possibly the dumbest person here. I didn't say carried per sae, I said he can't be trusted to call a match. Look at his stuff from 2000-2001. He's working with the top guys in the business, so he's going to look like a million dollars. You really think in his matches with Austin and HHH and Taker Angle was calling the shots on what would happen in the match? He'd get some input sure, but it'd be nothing close to like he was getting come 2003-2004. He's had his moments here and there, but once his run with the big boys was over, Angle became much less consistent and, with his body shot to poop, flat out dangerous in the ring I imagine. His programme with Cena in '05 was terrible and it wasn't down to Cena either. Cena put the work in, but Angle just looked a million miles away from the Kurt Angle I was used to seeing a few years prior. And this was at a point where I wasn't entirely sold on Cena. It was around this time especially when I realised that Angle really needed the top guns in there with him so he could be a class act in the ring, otherwise, he is VERY hit and miss.
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Post by Mr. Bo Ziffer on Apr 12, 2008 21:27:40 GMT -5
Are you actually trying to tell me that just because some established wrestlers like John Cena, that means that I am not allowed to dislike him? Sorry, I have this annoying little habit where I THINK FOR MYSELF. HAHAHA You think for yourself but your on the I Hate John Cena bandwagon.
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Post by rkolegendkilla on Apr 12, 2008 21:30:10 GMT -5
I find it funny that people use the 5 moves argument. I really do.
Dig in for the long haul, all you bitchers and moaners. Keep crying like it's gonna change something.
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Post by chumped on Apr 12, 2008 21:32:13 GMT -5
Are you actually trying to tell me that just because some established wrestlers like John Cena, that means that I am not allowed to dislike him? Sorry, I have this annoying little habit where I THINK FOR MYSELF. HAHAHA You think for yourself but your on the I Hate John Cena bandwagon. Yes, because every single person in the entire world that does not like Cena HAS to be on a "bandwagon".
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Post by Tim Tebow™ on Apr 12, 2008 21:48:58 GMT -5
I know almost everybody here hates Cena, but you have to realize that Cena can't help it. You know wrestling is planned? Well, it is not like Cena can choose what happens in his match. He doesn't say ''Let me do my 5 moves and I will win every match.''
The reason Cena wins every match is because the fans love him. You don't like what Cena does, but right now Cena is WWE's Hogan. People loved Hogan. So when the fans love someone, WWE has to make sure that man gets as much attention as they want him to get. People buy tickets because they want to see their favorite superstar. And since most WWE fans love Cena already they need to make sure that the people that don't love him start to like him.
If everyone loves Cena people will buy tickets to see him. And since Cena is always in the main event they will get a lot of tickets sold and they get more money. WWE pushes Cena because everyone loves him, and they can get more money. Nobody should hate Cena, they should hate the people that push Cena. It's not Cena's fault that he has 5 moves, or he is in every main event and wins every match, it is the writers fault.
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Post by chumped on Apr 12, 2008 21:57:34 GMT -5
I know almost everybody here hates Cena, but you have to realize that Cena can't help it. You know wrestling is planned? Well, it is not like Cena can choose what happens in his match. He doesn't say ''Let me do my 5 moves and I will win every match.'' The reason Cena wins every match is because the fans love him. You don't like what Cena does, but right now Cena is WWE's Hogan. People loved Hogan. So when the fans love someone, WWE has to make sure that man gets as much attention as they want him to get. People buy tickets because they want to see their favorite superstar. And since most WWE fans love Cena already they need to make sure that the people that don't love him start to like him. If everyone loves Cena people will buy tickets to see him. And since Cena is always in the main event they will get a lot of tickets sold and they get more money. WWE pushes Cena because everyone loves him, and they can get more money. Nobody should hate Cena, they should hate the people that push Cena. It's not Cena's fault that he has 5 moves, or he is in every main event and wins every match, it is the writers fault. I know a lot of people like him, but to say most love him is absurd. He gets booed way more often than not.
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Post by Tim Tebow™ on Apr 12, 2008 22:03:17 GMT -5
I know almost everybody here hates Cena, but you have to realize that Cena can't help it. You know wrestling is planned? Well, it is not like Cena can choose what happens in his match. He doesn't say ''Let me do my 5 moves and I will win every match.'' The reason Cena wins every match is because the fans love him. You don't like what Cena does, but right now Cena is WWE's Hogan. People loved Hogan. So when the fans love someone, WWE has to make sure that man gets as much attention as they want him to get. People buy tickets because they want to see their favorite superstar. And since most WWE fans love Cena already they need to make sure that the people that don't love him start to like him. If everyone loves Cena people will buy tickets to see him. And since Cena is always in the main event they will get a lot of tickets sold and they get more money. WWE pushes Cena because everyone loves him, and they can get more money. Nobody should hate Cena, they should hate the people that push Cena. It's not Cena's fault that he has 5 moves, or he is in every main event and wins every match, it is the writers fault. I know a lot of people like him, but to say most love him is absurd. He gets booed way more often than not. Well, I pretty much mean children and women, but when I was at WM a lot of grown men were cheering for him too.
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Post by vertan on Apr 12, 2008 22:03:35 GMT -5
I know almost everybody here hates Cena, but you have to realize that Cena can't help it. You know wrestling is planned? Well, it is not like Cena can choose what happens in his match. He doesn't say ''Let me do my 5 moves and I will win every match.'' The reason Cena wins every match is because the fans love him. You don't like what Cena does, but right now Cena is WWE's Hogan. People loved Hogan. So when the fans love someone, WWE has to make sure that man gets as much attention as they want him to get. People buy tickets because they want to see their favorite superstar. And since most WWE fans love Cena already they need to make sure that the people that don't love him start to like him. If everyone loves Cena people will buy tickets to see him. And since Cena is always in the main event they will get a lot of tickets sold and they get more money. WWE pushes Cena because everyone loves him, and they can get more money. Nobody should hate Cena, they should hate the people that push Cena. It's not Cena's fault that he has 5 moves, or he is in every main event and wins every match, it is the writers fault. I know a lot of people like him, but to say most love him is absurd. He gets booed way more often than not. Maybe in 2006. It looks like Cena is getting more and more of a face reaction every time he comes out. Hell, even at 'Mania a lot of fans were on his side. - Vertan
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Post by King Shocker the Monumentous on Apr 12, 2008 22:49:18 GMT -5
When you join the Internet Wrestling Community, you're automatically given a popular wrestler to hate. I got Hulk Hogan.
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Post by The Funniest Guy in Pants on Apr 13, 2008 0:28:32 GMT -5
Are you actually trying to tell me that just because some established wrestlers like John Cena, that means that I am not allowed to dislike him? Sorry, I have this annoying little habit where I THINK FOR MYSELF. HAHAHA You think for yourself but your on the I Hate John Cena bandwagon. There is no bandwagon. The only people that say that hating John Cena is a fad are the Cena fans who can't stand the fact that not everyone agrees with them. You're all ing hypocrites. You cheer for his boring bullcrapand you're thinking for yourself, but I'm on a band wagon because I don't like him? That's bullshit. People are only thinking for themselves when they're thinking like you? you. I don't care about what you or anyone else here thinks of me as a person, because no one here knows me in real life. I have no reason to follow an fads or join any "bandwagons."
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Post by Mr. Bo Ziffer on Apr 13, 2008 1:06:27 GMT -5
HAHAHA You think for yourself but your on the I Hate John Cena bandwagon. There is no bandwagon. The only people that say that hating John Cena is a fad are the Cena fans who can't stand the fact that not everyone agrees with them. You're all ing hypocrites. You cheer for his boring bull **** and you're thinking for yourself, but I'm on a band wagon because I don't like him? That's bull ****. People are only thinking for themselves when they're thinking like you? you. I don't care about what you or anyone else here thinks of me as a person, because no one here knows me in real life. I have no reason to follow an fads or join any "bandwagons." I think you need to calm down and join the "Vernon Gholston is a beast" bandwagon
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Post by COCK & BLAST on Apr 13, 2008 1:18:47 GMT -5
I saw this in a recent thread and I decided to make this a separate topic to cover a few important points that i think a lot of you should hear. Anyways in another thread someone posted an interview with Kurt Angle in which he put over Cena. Then someone a few post down says Now I'm not attacking him but it brought something to my attention... Something I just don't get, John Cena has be praised by some of the best wrestlers ever to set foot in the ring, and not just people that have been the ring but people who've been in the business longer before Cena was in diapers ( JR). I'm talking wrestlers who have been wrestling for over 20 years, wrestlers who have been to the top wrestlers like Ric Flair, HHH, HBK, Kurt Angle, Mick Foley. All of them have said how he's a good wrestler yet a vast majority of you guys continue to attack him for being a "bad wrestler". Yet you guys have never set foot in the ring and don't even know how the business itself works. I'm sorry but I'd rather believe guys who've been in the ring for years and seen everything in wrestling than some internet fans who in reality have no idea what they are talking about. Like look at it this way you need to get something on your computer fixed who would you ask for assistance some who doesn't really know about it or some one who's been working with computers for years? And yea we may think he's gimmick is getting stale or has been stale but the fact of the matter is it doesn't matter what we think it's the fact the people who he's geared to (Kids) love him and they are the one's who ask Mommy to buy them the John Cena shirt, the John Cena figure . So it might just be the cool thing to boo Cena for w/e reason but fact is he's a damn good wrestler and is the "Stone Cold" of the His time. So my point is maybe you guys should take into consideration some of the things these guys say. Oh yea if any one has a bad John Cena match in which he wrestles terribly and gets no reaction please please please post them here. The fact that you just compared Cena to Austin made me laugh.
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Post by T1 on Apr 13, 2008 1:35:55 GMT -5
Are you actually trying to tell me that just because some established wrestlers like John Cena, that means that I am not allowed to dislike him? Sorry, I have this annoying little habit where I THINK FOR MYSELF. I don't think he's saying you can't think for yourself, but he's specifically targetting those reallly stupid Cena haters who can't support their argument on why they dislike him. Which is like 75% of the Cena haters. All they could do is make replies like " Cena Blows!" & " Cena needs to learn new moves" and make themselves look like fools. They present themselves in a really childish manner. I could understand why people don't like them. He's shoved down everybody's throat and isn't the best wrestler. But most Cena haters don't even mention this and just make immature replies. Besides, the whole " Cena is a bad wrestler" thing is a joke. As is the " Cena has gotten worse in the ring over the years" argument. Cena had so many good matches in 2007, more than every other year combined possibly( for him). Every title defense was great, except for maybe his matches with Khali, which were still decent. Like him or not, Cena is the best overall entertainer in the wrestling world today and it's not a debatable thing. He makes main events feel electric, even if they aren't the best matches( but they are usually very good). He sells a ton of merchandise. And most importantly, he ALWAYS DRAWS A HUGE REACTION, good or bad. Everybody either loves him or hates him. How many people could go out there and literally have every single person hollering, whether they're cheering for him or against him? How many others could cause the fans to have duel-chants like " Lets go Cena/Cena Sucks?" Nobody. He has the crowd in the palm of his hands, and is probably the most controversial wrestler eight years.
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