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Post by cantstop21 on Aug 11, 2008 18:11:05 GMT -5
Okay so he got a win. a lousy Lay and Pray victory he did land that one good shot in the first round...and then laid on him for the rest of the fight. and then he has the nerve to taunt Herring after the fight and try to play up the crowd what an bunghole. That was a candidate for worst/boring fight of the year !!! what are your guys thoughts on Brocks future after that lackluster performance. (reminds me of the Lesnar/Goldberg WWE match)
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Post by PdW2kX on Aug 11, 2008 18:27:56 GMT -5
I think it was Elden that said that anyone remotely interesting and/or accepted by UFC fans usually gets a pass if they do something arrogant or stupid after a fight.
Brock was playing the crowd and made a statement that he could go the full 15 minutes. He was out to prove that he could go the distance, and he practically toyed with Heath Herring for their entire fight.
Brock right now is at the same level he was at when he came into the UFC. He lost one suddenly, he won one convincingly. That about makes him even.
And in regards to his arrogance, Tito Ortiz became one of those guys you "love to hate", and fans responded by making him one of the biggest UFC PPV draws of all time.
So, love him or hate him, people are interested in Brock. People are going to pay money to see him win, but an equal amount of people will probably be putting money down to see him lose. That makes him a draw. And that, my friends, you can absolutely not take away from Lesnar.
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Post by Kliquid on Aug 11, 2008 18:46:59 GMT -5
LoL...
I love how everyone thought he was a "stupid" fighter because of his first fight, and now the same people are complaining about him being "boring" because he completely schooled a fighter with MUCH more experience than him.
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Post by cantstop21 on Aug 11, 2008 19:03:33 GMT -5
LoL... I love how everyone thought he was a "stupid" fighter because of his first fight, and now the same people are complaining about him being "boring" because he completely schooled a fighter with MUCH more experience than him. you really think he schooled him ? I have to say you are wrong..he punched him in the face and then wasnt aggresive the rest of the fight..although that spear attempt was pretty awesome after the knockdown punch lol...I just dont think he schooled him because there wasnt much action after the first round...a few takedowns and Brock basically took naps on Herring.
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Post by Johnny Lawrence - Cobra Kai on Aug 11, 2008 19:11:18 GMT -5
LoL... I love how everyone thought he was a "stupid" fighter because of his first fight, and now the same people are complaining about him being "boring" because he completely schooled a fighter with MUCH more experience than him. you really think he schooled him ? I have to say you are wrong..he punched him in the face and then wasnt aggresive the rest of the fight..although that spear attempt was pretty awesome after the knockdown punch lol...I just dont think he schooled him because there wasnt much action after the first round...a few takedowns and Brock basically took naps on Herring. Brock did plenty on the ground. He was working Herring with fists and knees the entire time. Apparently the ref saw some activity, because he let them keep it on the ground. I've seen fighters do a lot less on the ground than Lesnar and still not get stood up by the ref. You want to see someone lay-n-pray Heath Herring, go back and watch the Jake O'Brien fight. Lesnar was plenty busy. Just because he didn't morph into Nogueira with six months of training doesn't mean Brock sucks. I seriously don't know what the hell people expect from a guy with three fights to his credit, if Saturday wasn't good enough.
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Post by DWright on Aug 11, 2008 19:37:35 GMT -5
This is my new favorite subject...
I love how Lesnar wins his 2nd ever fight in the UFC, his third ever MMA fight overall, and he was "boring." Someone tell Heath Herring that fight was "boring." In fact, write a letter to him, so he can read it through his one available eye and clinch his ribs in pain while chuckling.
Lesnar delivered some huge blows in that fight. The reason everyone is so down on it, is because he didn't finish him with the RNC that he was basically being given. I was a bit dissapointed in that...but there's nothing I can do about it. Lesnar did damage on his feet (as you can see), pounced him on like a cheetah (as you saw), did damage in the clinch (2 just vicious knees) and did damage on the ground (pounding him in the ears/face and then the knee's) and people are complaining?
Why don't people complain about the fact that Heath Herring made minimal effort to even attempt ANY offense? Oh what's that? He couldn't? Maybe it's because Lesnar took SO much out of him. Herring was a lame duck that entire fight, and Brock did exactly what he was supposed to do. Brock Lesnar took the fight to Heath Herring, who has 40+ fights under him, and destroyed him. Brock manhandled a 6'4", 250lbs man like he was pre-adolescent teenager. Brock kept looking for openings the ENTIRE fight. It's not like he layed on him and sat. The entire time, he was moving him and looking for shots, which he often found on Herring's already concaved face. Lesnar just dropped a legit HW, jumped on him like a cat on a mouse and played with him for 3 rounds, and left the fight with a win and no injuries. I think that's a pretty good night for your 3rd ever fight.
I love how when Kos beat Diego Sanchez, everyone in the world claimed "Smart fighting by Kos" because he avoided him and did exactly what he needed to do to get the victory. Florian just beat Roger Huerta because he did a lot of jabs/kicks and then got out of there while Huerta went forward with the fight, and people are okay with that. Lesnar destroys Herring and takes him down countless time with ease, mangles his face, and probably broke his rib...and Lesnar "stinks."
And the after the fight antics, give me a break.
-GSP does backflips and tells Matt Hughes he's "not impressed with his performance." -Kendell Grove, who is awful, does a 30 minute ritual where he is pretending he's burrying his opponent. -BJ Penn licks BLOOD off his gloves -Kid Yamamoto continues to beat on his opponent after the fight is over, the ref is trying to step in, both corners are trying to pull him off and he's obvious out cold. -Nate Quarry makes a mockery of a full fight vs Kalib Starnes. -Rich Clementi drops his nuts on the back of Melvin Guillards head. -Rampage howls -Chuck does blo--I mean, throws his arms out screaming. -Almost EVERY fighter runs and jumps up on the side of the octagon to show their leaping ability.
Yet, Lesnar has a little fun and plays it up for his home state and he's a "punk?" Give me a break.
"PUNKS" are guys like KID and the Diaz brothers.
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Post by Graze on Aug 11, 2008 19:38:19 GMT -5
What do people expect from a guy who's had 3 professional fights? You expect Brock to pulling off choke holds off the bat? He's growing, let him be. At least he's showing sings of improvement, unlike Kimbo who is a black Tank
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Post by cantstop21 on Aug 11, 2008 20:08:50 GMT -5
Just because he didn't morph into Nogueira with six months of training doesn't mean Brock sucks.. I never said he sucked ?? where did I say that ?? I know its going to take time for him to improve and be deadly..he needs training, like any noob in the UFC....I just think it wasnt that great of a fight for him to be acting the way he did..know if Herring couldnt make it up after that first punch in the face I could understand going crazy and the Quarry and Starnes fight....I think Quarry was right in what he did cause all Starnes did the whole fight was run away and refuse to engage or fight at all...which is why he was cut the same night.
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Post by gordon on Aug 11, 2008 20:18:21 GMT -5
People need to realise his game is wrestling, why would he step out of his element? and tbf he did many times in the fight e.g. the near knockout blow that sent Herring flying and the constant clinch!!! Brock schooled Herring and deserves alot of credit and respect.
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Post by HHH316 on Aug 11, 2008 20:19:44 GMT -5
That was a candidate for worst/boring fight of the year !!! you didn't see Nate Quarry/Kalib Starnes did you?
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Post by Johnny Lawrence - Cobra Kai on Aug 11, 2008 20:20:37 GMT -5
Just because he didn't morph into Nogueira with six months of training doesn't mean Brock sucks.. I never said he sucked ?? where did I say that ?? I know its going to take time for him to improve and be deadly..he needs training, like any noob in the UFC....I just think it wasnt that great of a fight for him to be acting the way he did..know if Herring couldnt make it up after that first punch in the face I could understand going crazy and the Quarry and Starnes fight....I think Quarry was right in what he did cause all Starnes did the whole fight was run away and refuse to engage or fight at all...which is why he was cut the same night. You used the words lousy and lackluster to describe what you described as a "lay-and-pray" (which it really wasn't) victory, and you also described it as a worst/most boring fight of the year candidate. Otherwise, you're right... you never said Brock "sucked." With everything you did say, though, I hardly think it's a stretch for someone to get that idea.
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Post by cantstop21 on Aug 11, 2008 20:54:42 GMT -5
well maybe i used wrong wording..I dont think he sucks...I think he has a lot of potential...just in that fight..I didnt see anything that impressed me other than the punch that put Herring on his ass.
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Post by DWright on Aug 11, 2008 21:31:48 GMT -5
well maybe i used wrong wording..I dont think he sucks...I think he has a lot of potential...just in that fight..I didnt see anything that impressed me other than the punch that put Herring on his ass. I'm sorry, but if you're not impressed with a 6'4", 250lbs man being manhandled like a child, I think you're watching the wrong sport. Brock Lesnar, in his 3rd ever MMA fight, just beat a legit HW. He dominated Herring. He beat Herring on his feet, on the ground, and in the clinch...all in convincing fashion. Lesnar walked out without a scratch. He controlled the fight from start to finish, worked the entire fight, engaged, and caused a LOT of damage. What did you want Lesnar to do? I find it funny. Machida doesn't engage and wins...people complain. Lesnar DOES engage and doesn't run from the fight and wins...and people complain. So the only way you're satisfied is if someone is knocked out or submitted? Brock Lesnar just completely dominated a top 15 HW, a LEGIT HW in his third ever fight and you're not impressed. I can't get over this.
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Post by PdW2kX on Aug 11, 2008 23:10:17 GMT -5
This article sums up my stance on Lesnar perfectly.
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Post by Codesters on Aug 12, 2008 0:13:34 GMT -5
Why couldn't you have just posted this in the UFC 87 thread? Anywho, how can you say all Lesnar did was lay and pray? Lesnar had numerous takedowns, Many knees to the body, and a couple very good jabs to the face of Herring. Herring was shown up by a rookie. Face it. He didn't do anything to get on the offense, he was defending himself 90% of the time.
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Post by NYdream™ on Aug 12, 2008 0:34:23 GMT -5
Why couldn't you have just posted this in the UFC 87 thread? Anywho, how can you say all Lesnar did was lay and pray? Lesnar had numerous takedowns, Many knees to the body, and a couple very good jabs to the face of Herring. Herring was shown up by a rookie. Face it. He didn't do anything to get on the offense, he was defending himself 90% of the time. I could not have said it better. I just saw this fight on my friends tivo and I must say that this statement made is ridicolous. Brock did much more then lay and pray.
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Post by Sandy on Aug 12, 2008 1:23:10 GMT -5
LOL.
That fight was boring?
But Machida fights are interesting right? John Fitch fights are interesting but Brocks fight on saturday was boring?
I am so confused. Brock completely dominated Herring with some good wrestling, nice strikes from the feet, etc. It was one of the best fights from a hyped up fighter coming into the UFC in years. Brock had a lot to prove..and he did convincingly. So what if he had some antics afterwards...HE WAS A GOD DAMN PROFESSIONAL WRESTLER, he knows how to work the crowd.
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Post by [x] TEXACIDE [x] on Aug 12, 2008 1:27:08 GMT -5
LOL. That fight was boring? But Machida fights are interesting right? John Fitch fights are interesting but Brocks fight on saturday was boring? I am so confused. Brock completely dominated Herring with some good wrestling, nice strikes from the feet, etc. It was one of the best fights from a hyped up fighter coming into the UFC in years. Brock had a lot to prove..and he did convincingly. So what if he had some antics afterwards...HE WAS A GOD DAMN PROFESSIONAL WRESTLER, he knows how to work the crowd. I agree one hundred percent!
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Post by Mr. Old School™ on Aug 12, 2008 4:51:51 GMT -5
I'll just say this. If you believe that one good shot that Brock landed in the first round was all he did, Herring's face proves otherwise. Brock beat the crap out of him and dominated him for 15 straight minutes. End of story.
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Post by cantstop21 on Aug 12, 2008 8:33:47 GMT -5
But Machida fights are interesting right? . absolutely not.
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