DWright
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Post by DWright on Aug 17, 2008 17:09:29 GMT -5
And yet -- not so easy to beat Heath Herring in your third fight. but its not like Lesnar is a novice...hes HUGE as  , incredibly powerful, has an awesome wrestling background, he already has all the tools to succeed so he should in almost every match he is in.....so its not like Kimbo Slice who has no background other than backyard scraps.. people are giving him too much props..hes not an amatuer. That's a horrible excuse, and you're just trying to save face at this point. This is mixed martial arts. If it was a straight wrestling match and he dominated, that's one thing. This was a LEGIT HW that he just dominated with ease. Hell, he had Herring in trouble within seconds. |
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Post by cantstop21 on Aug 18, 2008 9:15:57 GMT -5
but its not like Lesnar is a novice...hes HUGE as , incredibly powerful, has an awesome wrestling background, he already has all the tools to succeed so he should in almost every match he is in.....so its not like Kimbo Slice who has no background other than backyard scraps.. people are giving him too much props..hes not an amatuer. That's a horrible excuse, and you're just trying to save face at this point. This is mixed martial arts. If it was a straight wrestling match and he dominated, that's one thing. This was a LEGIT HW that he just dominated with ease. Hell, he had Herring in trouble within seconds. Lucky punch..can happen at any time...ask Matt Serra when he destroyed GSP...anything can happen once...still, not that impressed with him. lets see him man handle Cheik Congo .. thats who I think they are going to put him against next. |
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Post by Boquest on Aug 18, 2008 10:55:56 GMT -5
Bleh, I hate when people say "lucky punch." The person threw the punch with intent on it landing, and it did.
Lesnar has shown he has improved. Heath has fought Fedor, Mirko (in his prime), and Nog and has atleast competed with them all. Heath out wrestled Kongo, so I wouldn't be surprised if Lesnar and Kongo end up fighting, the same out come as the fight with Herring would happen. As long as Lesnar realizes he doesn't have the ability to stand up and trade with him, there is no reason he can't win that fight.
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Post by Kliquid on Aug 18, 2008 11:06:11 GMT -5
Lucky punch..can happen at any time...ask Matt Serra when he destroyed GSP...anything can happen once...still, not that impressed with him. lets see him man handle Cheik Congo .. thats who I think they are going to put him against next. A lucky punch would imply that the only reason he won was because of that punch. Herring survived nearly being KO'd, but was then thoroughly dominated and manhandled for another 14:30. There was nothing "lucky" about it. |
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Post by DWright on Aug 18, 2008 12:45:03 GMT -5
So I guess all striking is "lucky" then.
So now, the only true wins are submissions. And sometimes those submissions are lucky because someone might have just been in the wrong position, or didn't get in arm in to protect in time.
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Post by Johnny Lawrence - Cobra Kai on Aug 18, 2008 15:20:54 GMT -5
I'm sensing that the moral of this thread is some people aren't willing to give Brock Lesnar any credit, ever.
If he becomes a BJJ black belt, they'll say it took him too long. If he knocks guys out, they're lucky punches. If he overpowers guys, he's on roids. If he manhandles guys, it's because he outweighs everyone. If he outwrestles everyone, he should have done it faster.
If he fights on the main card, he didn't earn it. If he fights on the undercard, he's not worth his paycheck.
And if he wins, he better not express happiness, because then, he'll be the biggest jerk in MMA.
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Post by DWright on Aug 18, 2008 16:14:52 GMT -5
I'm sensing that the moral of this thread is some people aren't willing to give Brock Lesnar any credit, ever. If he becomes a BJJ black belt, they'll say it took him too long. If he knocks guys out, they're lucky punches. If he overpowers guys, he's on roids. If he manhandles guys, it's because he outweighs everyone. If he outwrestles everyone, he should have done it faster. If he fights on the main card, he didn't earn it. If he fights on the undercard, he's not worth his paycheck. And if he wins, he better not express happiness, because then, he'll be the biggest jerk in MMA. Don't forget...if he loses, he wasn't ready anyways, was stupid for taking the fight against a legit HW he couldn't beat and will quit. |
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Post by Patrick Bateman (original) on Aug 19, 2008 5:31:30 GMT -5
I'm sensing that the moral of this thread is some people aren't willing to give Brock Lesnar any credit, ever. If he becomes a BJJ black belt, they'll say it took him too long. If he knocks guys out, they're lucky punches. If he overpowers guys, he's on roids. If he manhandles guys, it's because he outweighs everyone. If he outwrestles everyone, he should have done it faster. If he fights on the main card, he didn't earn it. If he fights on the undercard, he's not worth his paycheck. And if he wins, he better not express happiness, because then, he'll be the biggest jerk in MMA. Hmmm............ My thing with Lesnar is he didn't train long enough before he made his jump to UFC. Which shows his flaws. Brock to me could become the greatest MMA fighter ever. If he trains with a guy like Matt Hughes. They are both country dudes. Brock tried to knock Herring out. When it did not work he went to what he knew and blanketed Herring. Which showed since he has been training (for over a year) he has learned a side mount? He had Herrings back and did nothing with it. IF and that is a huge if (because it is hard to teach an old dog new tricks) Lesnar wants to learn he will become one of the greatest of all time. No doubt. And if you want to see a lucky shot watch Kos' first loss. It was desperation. Lesnars was planned. Fickett was lucky because he threw that bitch out praying to god it would land. Brock threw his punch out knowing it would land. |
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Post by Johnny Lawrence - Cobra Kai on Aug 19, 2008 9:16:04 GMT -5
I'm sensing that the moral of this thread is some people aren't willing to give Brock Lesnar any credit, ever. If he becomes a BJJ black belt, they'll say it took him too long. If he knocks guys out, they're lucky punches. If he overpowers guys, he's on roids. If he manhandles guys, it's because he outweighs everyone. If he outwrestles everyone, he should have done it faster. If he fights on the main card, he didn't earn it. If he fights on the undercard, he's not worth his paycheck. And if he wins, he better not express happiness, because then, he'll be the biggest jerk in MMA. Hmmm............ My thing with Lesnar is he didn't train long enough before he made his jump to UFC. Which shows his flaws. Brock to me could become the greatest MMA fighter ever. If he trains with a guy like Matt Hughes. They are both country dudes. Brock tried to knock Herring out. When it did not work he went to what he knew and blanketed Herring. Which showed since he has been training (for over a year) he has learned a side mount? He had Herrings back and did nothing with it. IF and that is a huge if (because it is hard to teach an old dog new tricks) Lesnar wants to learn he will become one of the greatest of all time. No doubt. And if you want to see a lucky shot watch Kos' first loss. It was desperation. Lesnars was planned. Fickett was lucky because he threw that bitch out praying to god it would land. Brock threw his punch out knowing it would land. Fair enough. Although I'm still wondering if Brock Lesnar avoided trying for submissions on purpose because he knew he wasn't good at it, and didn't want to play a game that could give Herring the advantage. I could understand if Lesnar was a little gun-shy about instigating a submission after Mir caught him. Especially since Lesnar probably felt like he needed the Herring win desperately. |
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