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Post by k5 on Feb 17, 2024 18:20:33 GMT -5
i don't bring the other company up in this convo, you do. I simply think that AEW should be developing and growing as a company - how they develop their talents, how they develop their angles, how they develop their identity and product. the aew i have been watching in a diminishing fashion for the last year has slowed their progression in that manner. should the baby be thrown out with the bath water? no. but pretending like there isn't absolutely glaring issues and that a lot of people's criticisms aren't grounded in validity when they are does absolutely nothing but fuel dumb tribal bs. Odd though. I don't see any faults in the product. So as for now, it's purely opinions. You and a couple guys on here, or some dudes on Reddit don't speak for everyone ... just like I don't. the faults directly lead to damage to talents trajectories in the company and industry, as long as stifled the company itself in development, so its beyond just opinion. when everyone but the rare few says there's a problem, there is probably a problem
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Post by k5 on Feb 16, 2024 15:26:01 GMT -5
sure, to an extent that is true. but i would say most people would think putting kip sabian in dynamite matches getting a lot of exposure after already falling on his face was a horrid idea. it has direct implications as well. it demotes the other talent, it detracts from the show, and it doesn't benefit anything Absolutely, I think the overwhelming majority of AEW fans would agree on that one. But if we use OC/Taven from Wednesday as an example, this is very similar to how they had Mox build up to Jericho, and he main evented a dynamite against Santana. (Which, I'll say I didn't enjoy, and I find the "go through the faction one by one to get to the boss" style of booking insanely dull. The only reason I didn't absolutely hate oc/taven is because it had a gimmick to it with the hardcore stuff). My point is more that a lot of the booking things people aren't liking now have always been there, but we look through the og days with seriously rose coloured glasses. i would say santana was a more established talent even at that point. the roster was slimmer, emphasis was put on specific talents. so at that point santana would be established. but i still register your point. it's not exclusive to aew, but talent being lost in the shuffle has become a bit too often of an occurence. sometimes that is down to the talent being difficult and TK not having the best negotiating skills, but aew can by dysfunctional with it's angles. i'd love to see it make sour grapes into wine, and it can, but organization and presentation imo are extremely important at this point. they're losing people who could be fans, and i don't think any company desires that despite whatever state of comfortable revenue it has. what they've done with joe, swerve, christian, and a few others within the last while has been brilliant. it is not all for naught.
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Post by k5 on Feb 16, 2024 13:07:18 GMT -5
you've also been a fan of stuff that had no business being on tv and are overly optimistic about the product. that's cool, you do you, but that doesn't negate any of the issues people are pointing out. These 'issues' are all subjective, acting like they aren't is really disingenuous. Edit: booking issues I mean. Ticket sales, etc are obviously objective data. But when we talk about "good" booking vs "bad" booking there's a very inherent level of subjectivity to it that gets played off as absolute. sure, to an extent that is true. but i would say most people would think putting kip sabian in dynamite matches getting a lot of exposure after already falling on his face was a horrid idea. it has direct implications as well. it demotes the other talent, it detracts from the show, and it doesn't benefit anything
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Post by k5 on Feb 16, 2024 11:21:32 GMT -5
🫡. I like the booking now. But really, as long as I'm getting excellent wrestling matches idgaf how they actually book the "stories". It's far more title focused across the board right now and that's really all I can ask for. you've also been a fan of stuff that had no business being on tv and are overly optimistic about the product. that's cool, you do you, but that doesn't negate any of the issues people are pointing out.
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Post by k5 on Feb 16, 2024 11:19:16 GMT -5
no. gcw is even more niche and i believe if they dropped the deathmatches could be making serious ground as a company
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Post by k5 on Feb 16, 2024 11:17:34 GMT -5
I do not think they should copy wwe's formula. I also do not think they should use the one that is proving futile. pointing out holes in the boat while we're sinking is not wishing the boat to sink. Why do you think AEW is sinking? Ratings are good enough for "wrasslin". Their merch makes money. They still book large arenas. I'm just curious as to where you think AEW should be in the grand scheme of things. They'll never compete with WWE. So ... what does "next best" look like to you? i don't bring the other company up in this convo, you do. I simply think that AEW should be developing and growing as a company - how they develop their talents, how they develop their angles, how they develop their identity and product. the aew i have been watching in a diminishing fashion for the last year has slowed their progression in that manner. should the baby be thrown out with the bath water? no. but pretending like there isn't absolutely glaring issues and that a lot of people's criticisms aren't grounded in validity when they are does absolutely nothing but fuel dumb tribal bs.
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Post by k5 on Feb 16, 2024 3:13:35 GMT -5
if they're happy being number 2, why does TK go nuts on Twitter every time he gets a W over his competitors? instead of you speaking for them, let's look at their actions. and they seem to be striving for more but making bad steps. Because he's loony and needs to stay off social media? They can strive do be as big as they want in their own way. Why does everyone think they should copy some formula? I do not think they should copy wwe's formula. I also do not think they should use the one that is proving futile. pointing out holes in the boat while we're sinking is not wishing the boat to sink.
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Post by k5 on Feb 15, 2024 15:36:07 GMT -5
That's great advice for a teenager, but companies don't pay their bills with hugs. Advertisers, sponsors, tv executives and owners want money. And you don't have to be "the E" to accomplish that. Tony Khan just has to learn from his mistakes but has demonstrated that he's either incapable or unwilling to do so. Again ... TNA still exists. So does MLW. NWA even has a show. NJPW has a show too. You seem to think AEW simply HAS to get the same ratings and make the same profits that WWE does ... and that's simply not true. They're #2, they know they're #2, they're happy to be #2. if they're happy being number 2, why does TK go nuts on Twitter every time he gets a W over his competitors? instead of you speaking for them, let's look at their actions. and they seem to be striving for more but making bad steps.
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Post by k5 on Feb 15, 2024 15:30:17 GMT -5
They booked like this in 2019-2020 too.... TK has actually returned to booking like he was before and somehow it's "WCW 2000" now but wasn't back then? there were always massive issues with the booking, yes, but it wasn't so absolute and hadn't cost talents their time and efforts so clearly its as mundane at this point as it is having to explain it. its apparent.
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Post by k5 on Feb 15, 2024 11:55:27 GMT -5
So for us Canadians, the WWE Network disappeared in January 2025. Which sucks so now I am visiting certain websites again and collecting complete years of WWF Superstars right now that are off the Network but put on other sites for viewing capacity if you get my drift. I still can't figure out how Raw is gonna air on Netflix when Netflix doesn't have a live streaming channel on their website. Is Raw gonna be taped and put up on their later?? If so, may as well just read the spoilers and save yourself the trouble from having to watch it. I would guess that Netflix, along with other streaming apps, are going to make some huge moves within the next year and a half into live events - particularly sports but also concerts. there will be much revamping and remodeling of the apps to come within that time.
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Post by k5 on Feb 15, 2024 11:46:21 GMT -5
Maybe you should watch weekly? Random Tag Guy is in Roddy's crew, who is facing OC at Revolution. It's not hard to piece together. This may not be the promotion for you if you don't like competitive matches. A midcard wrestler from a faction (the weakest member of said faction no less) in a title match main event that's also bloody, gruesome Texas death match just because they are in Texas. That's ridiculous. If the company still booked far out like they used to do, they could have planned this better so that when they came to Texas & had to do a deathmatch it would've made sense. its wcw 2000 booking but yet a few here will defend it sad to see a company with so much promise making these choices over and over
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Post by k5 on Feb 14, 2024 19:40:43 GMT -5
zero mic drop. those are e-sports, and they are still at least competitive as is tennis and golf 🤦🏻♂️ They're both weak, cry to someone you can convince otherwise. lol ok 👌
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Post by k5 on Feb 14, 2024 18:54:15 GMT -5
Playing video games is considered a sport nowadays. Lets not take the definition too seriously. mic drop Also if tennis and golf can be sports, anything can be a sport lol zero mic drop. those are e-sports, and they are still at least competitive as is tennis and golf 🤦🏻♂️
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Post by k5 on Feb 13, 2024 20:46:22 GMT -5
this isn't really up for debate in 2024 when it's been so long considered not a sport
could it ever be in the olympics? nope. because it's not competitive, which is inherent within sport. cmon people.
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Post by k5 on Feb 13, 2024 16:15:49 GMT -5
Bandido has been injured this entire time... He had to do a second surgery. good. he was misused anyways. hopefully they actually package and push him properly when he returns instead of losing him in crapty tag teams
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Post by k5 on Feb 13, 2024 16:11:40 GMT -5
such massive differences between the two issues and the implications that result. and according to the rules put in place, neither issue has any place being talked about here but then again, i believe the rules also say no gimmick accounts and well…there’s been plenty of those here too tag jack then. he'll lock it. guarantee you he's unaware of the threads existence
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Post by k5 on Feb 13, 2024 12:08:30 GMT -5
Wfigs & @jackspecifics… legit gonna let this thread go on but no Vince talk allowed… wtf. such massive differences between the two issues and the implications that result.
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Post by k5 on Feb 12, 2024 16:35:55 GMT -5
very thankful for the gym these days. provides a much needed escape.
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Post by k5 on Feb 12, 2024 14:02:08 GMT -5
Of course she won’t bring in the same results as Hogan, Flair, Taker, Rock etc… but she is still a very big star & deserves to be one of the top names of the brand. Tbh I don’t know how AEW will expand their business & audience but hopefully overtime they can get there. Never say never. I feel AEW won't fix itself unless TK stops booking these "dream" matches that 20% of the viewing audience knows. I watch AEW, and then some random Japanese wrestler or Mexican wrestler, or even an indy wrestler debuts and Excalibur acts like it's Hogan facing off with Rock on Raw in 2002 with how excited and hyped he gets for it, and I am sitting there watching TV saying, "who is that??"
TK has a giant amount of former WWE stars in his roster. Not saying they need to be on TV all the time, but it wouldn't kill TK to have the Hardys, Jericho, Sting, Copeland, Mox, Claudio, Bryan, and others to appear weekly on Dynamite instead of having random guys you will see once every 6 weeks appear and have no clue as to who they are. I think its more about how they present their new talent than the talent being an issue themselves. Bandido should be a star by now. thats on the booking.
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Post by k5 on Feb 12, 2024 13:57:58 GMT -5
Cody was just as much of a name outside of the WWE as he was before he left. He seems like a big star now because that’s how creative is booking him. He’s now a major star in pro-wrestling because he’s being booked as such. Wrestling fans know Cody Rhodes. Non-wrestling fans do not. so you're saying dusty was wrong to tell Cody to go build his name elsewhere? interesting take.
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