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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Mar 17, 2020 15:49:09 GMT -5
I know some of the members want WrestleMania to be postpone to June/July of this year with the fans in an arena or stadium but I understand Vince McMahon's decision on holding the showcase of the immortals in an empty WWE Performance Center. This is going to be an interesting WrestleMania in a long ass time. A bar bones WrestleMania is going to happen I have no doubt that the talent is going to entertain us via the WWE Network despite no one in the seats. # Coronavirus Your optimism is refreshing, but I just don't know if a Wrestlemania without a crowd will be that captivating regardless of the action in the ring.
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Mar 16, 2020 22:07:33 GMT -5
They seriously can’t just hold it at the arena they were going to use for the HOF ceremony, and NXT Takeover? It’s a nice sized arena that would get the job done. It’s the same arena where Survivor Series 2000 took place. It’d have no crowd, but at least the place would be big enough to have a decent, proper stage, where it would still have that “Wrestlemania feel”. I miss Wrestlemania in arenas, anyway. Either way, this is still one of the dumbest decisions I have ever seen from this company, and that’s saying something. It would still be an empty arena so I'm assuming it simply comes down to a basic cost decision. They already own the PC so it won't cost them anything to host an event they are already losing millions on as opposed to paying for an arena for one night to serve the same purpose. I do agree that Wrestlemania is all about the atmosphere and this move to the PC will kill any of that. A few of us went to a local indy show in NJ last year that took place in a firehouse. Crazy to think that event will have a bigger crowd than WM this year. This will undoubtedly crush their Network subscriber count as well. I know they bank on a big surge every year during WM season. No chance the casual fan tunes in when they find out the biggest show of the year will take place in an abandoned gym with no audience.
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Mar 16, 2020 20:15:53 GMT -5
Just been reported that both NXT and the HOF have been cancelled for WM weekend. I assume they will have the inductions at a later date, potentially Summerslam or another major show.
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Mar 16, 2020 20:09:42 GMT -5
It has been reported that both NXT and the Hall of Fame ceremony have been cancelled as well or at the very least will not be taking place WM weekend.
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Mar 16, 2020 19:17:18 GMT -5
There is no way this won't be awful.
The entire point of Wrestlemania is the spectacle, the atmosphere and the huge crowd. If they can't offer that, it shouldn't be called WrestleMania because there are bingo halls with bigger attendance.
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Mar 16, 2020 18:44:09 GMT -5
They would be better setting up a ring and stage outside. It would be more open and less cramped than the pc. I'm sure they looked at all options and saw it was PC or bust. They ended up going with the PC, but I think this show will definitely be a bust.
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Mar 16, 2020 18:31:39 GMT -5
Not a fan of this at all. Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should do something.
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Mar 16, 2020 18:28:07 GMT -5
Get ready for WM with no audience.
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Mar 16, 2020 18:22:48 GMT -5
Just remember to keep that viewing party under ten people.
I applaud them trying to make this all work in this unprecedented climate, but a WrestleMania with no crowd sounds absolutely awful. That event is 100% built on atmosphere.
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Mar 16, 2020 17:32:50 GMT -5
Just received his new figure in the mail the other day and it is one of the coolest toys ever.
Congrats and well deserved!!! 🎉🍻
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Mar 16, 2020 17:30:00 GMT -5
Del Rio received constant main event pushes and title remains, but was never able to be a big draw.
His initial run was okay, but he is just somebody I'm not clamoring to see again in the WWE. Most of the roster is stuck in midcard purgatory anyway.
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Mar 14, 2020 7:39:35 GMT -5
I believe Martha Hart said in her book that Bret was paid $750,000 for the Iron Man match at WrestleMania XII.
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Mar 11, 2020 21:36:41 GMT -5
With this travel ban to and from Europe for the next 30 days, that obviously overlaps WrestleMania. The show draws tens of thousands of international fans every year who spend tons of money on those expensive travel packages.
Are these people screwed? Will WWE offer refunds for those who are not allowed to enter the country?
Crazy stuff.
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Feb 28, 2020 7:47:53 GMT -5
Yet another 1995 event where the talent WAS there to have an incredible event but Vince used the wrong guys in the wrong spot....see RR, KOTR & Summerslam 1995 for more evidence of this. BINGO!!! People who look back on 1995 with a bad taste in their mouth often forget that they had a stacked roster with plenty of main event talent. It was like running an all-star team with an awful playbook. 1995 could have had some great matches and rivalries.
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Feb 26, 2020 20:14:19 GMT -5
My impressions of WM11 as I saw it at the time: *Taker's match was wasted. Bundy had no heat. *I liked the Owen-Yoko pairing, but I couldn't believe how much bigger Yoko had gotten by that point. *I was convinced that Vince was serving notice that the Allied Powers were his next great tag team. *The Diesel-Shawn feud was interesting from start to finish, and Vince really should have put the belt on Shawn here and given it back to Diesel later. There was no doubt who was the best performer in the company at this point. *After all of the build-up to the main event, I couldn't believe that LT didn't take the time to get in shape. The other football players had to hold him up after the match was over, and this was detrimental to Bam Bam's career. Not a great PPV, but better than WM9. I know what you're talking about with LT. He was absolutely on fumes by the end of that match. Still, that was a great performance for somebody who was having their first ever wrestling match especially on such a big stage. From an in-ring standpoint, WrestleManias IX and XI may be similar, but I'll take WM IX all day. Yeah, the card might be weak and not many of the matches are great. However, it at least has a unique presence about it that makes it memorable. The outdoor venue with the whole Roman Colosseum theme looked awesome. I have no issues rewatching that show and enjoying the good/bad/ugly of it all. WrestleMania XI just has none of that. No character or special atmosphere. One of the most bland WrestleManias ever on every level.
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Feb 26, 2020 0:48:25 GMT -5
I think it is one of the weakest WrestleManias once you remove Bret/Austin.
The street fight was hardcore for the time and seeing Taker regain the World title was great, but it was an otherwise uninspiring show. It took another few months for the company to gain some momentum and blast off into the Attitude Era.
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Feb 26, 2020 0:41:57 GMT -5
I noticed something about Wrestlemania XI many years ago.... it was done exactly how the first Wrestlemania was done. Make the under card look weak to show off the main event?? Check! Have the Tag Title's change hands and the IC Title match ruled a DQ?? Check! Have a special attraction match between two big men (Andre/Studd and Taker/Bundy)?? Check! Have the main event with a celebrity of sorts?? Check! Have many celebrities all through out the show, and involved in the show?? Check! Have Pat Patterson be the special guest referee for the main event?? Check! I think it was Vince's way of trying to recreate the first Wrestlemania, and it just didn't take. I am not sure if he was hoping LT would stick around, or that Diesel would catch on fire, but neither really happened. Instead, Bigelow got made to look like a joke, even though he carried 99% of that match, and HBK ended up showing that he was the star that the fans wanted to cheer, not Diesel. I love Wrestlemania XI for my own personal reasons, but looking at it on paper, it is bad. This is a great observation and one I've never really noticed until now. It would make sense though that Vince would attempt to mimmick what made the inaugural show so successful. The company was hurting badly at the time and he figured making the whole show nothing, but a media spectacle would take the WWF out of the darkness and into another boom period. It just didn't work like you said for obvious reasons, the main one being pro wrestling just wasn't nearly as "cool" as it was a decade earlier.
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Feb 25, 2020 0:05:07 GMT -5
This is not a "What's Your Least Favorite WrestleMania?" topic. The focus is 100% on the steaming pile that is WrestleMania XI. With the 25 year anniversary coming up soon, our mission is to discuss why it sucked and how it could have been better.
I love the New Generation Era with all my heart, but even with that bias it's hard to find many positives with Wrestlemania XI besides my own childhood nostalgia.
The event just didn't have the aura that most WrestleManias have. The card was stacked with an assortment of forgettable matches and some absolute duds. Even the venue lacked any character with an array of C-list celebrities sprinkled on top. And of course you have the main event. I'll always give both Bam Bam and Lawrence Taylor credit for putting on a match way better than it had any right to be, but it all still just reeked of a desperate publicity stunt created to get a short-term bump in viewers. Otherwise, Owen unveiling Yokozuna as his mystery partner then winning his first title was great and Diesel versus Shawn was pretty good as well. That sums up the only redeeming qualities of the entire show in my opinion.
When Bret Hart admits that his match was a total stinker, you know you're looking at a bad WrestleMania. The company was in the dumps at the time, but they still had a talented enough roster to put on a much more compelling PPV especially considering it is the biggest show of the year.
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Feb 23, 2020 8:40:37 GMT -5
I think either way one of the figures will have a more flashy attire while the other will be a bit on the plain side.
Not a complaint as this makes sense given the attires both wore during those years. In 1997, Triple H was still wearing the pretty generic "Blue Blood" tights while Chyna rocked some crazy outfits with chains/handcuffs attached. Her attires really calmed down once the second incarnation of DX took off in 1998 which is of course when Triple H started wearing some very fun and colorful attires.
Since this is her debut for Mattel, I think they should go the late 97/early 98 route as that is vintage Chyna. Some of those more detailed early outfits would make for an awesome first figure. Also, I don't believe there has been a Triple H made from that timeframe which would make it a welcome addition especially if a robe is included.
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Feb 22, 2020 9:11:25 GMT -5
Tatanka was my first favorite wrestler ever. I loved him as a kid and it broke my heart when he turned on Lex at Summerslam and became a bad guy.
I went nuts when he returned at the Royal Rumble in 2006. The crowd gave him a nice pop! Most were probably surprised that he turned that cameo into an active roster spot for most of the year. Even then, I knew he was only there to put some people over, but he could still have a decent match. The heel turn didn't mean much although his makeover was pretty cool with the updated "evil" war paint.
Never forget, The Miz scored his first ever win in the WWE against Tatanka. Just look where his career went. 😁
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