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Post by Mr. Old School™ on Apr 27, 2009 18:18:25 GMT -5
Hey, After seeing the shocking end to the Cena/Edge match last night at Backlash, I just can't believe how much wrestling has changed over the years and not for the better. At least not in my opinion anyway. I mean, look what it takes to beat a friggin' guy these days. You've literally got to blow the er up. Back in the day, that would've put someone on the shelf to the point where they wouldn't be seen again for like a year. But, I wouldn't be surprised if Cena comes out on Raw tonight walking down the aisle like nothing ever happened, which is a complete joke. When I was growing up watching the W.W.F., all it took to beat someone was a Dino Bravo sideslam or Macho Man flying elbow drop or a D.D.T. from Jake "The Snake" or British Bulldog running powerslam. Now, those moves that were finishers, aren't even effective anymore and that really bugs me. EVERYONE uses a freakin' D.D.T. now, even the divas and even then, it still ain't effective. How big of a joke is that?? The vicious chairshot that Edge nailed Cena with on the rampway should've won him the match, but it didn't even put Cena down for a count of 10. Back then, that would've ended someone's career pretty much. I just think it's literally ridiculous what it takes to defeat someone these days in the WWE. It's like wrestlers are super-human and you've got to resort to running them over with a car or as we saw last night, throw them in a giant spotlight and blowing them up. Anyway, that's just my little rant on the matter. Anyone agree or disagree??
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Post by Jimmy on Apr 27, 2009 18:20:46 GMT -5
to be fair it's not like this is incredibly new or anything, it's been going on for a decade now. remember austin CLEARLY killing Triple H at the end of Surivor Series in the crushed car only from Hunter to return like 2 weeks later with not even a scratch on him?
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Post by Johnny on Apr 27, 2009 18:23:09 GMT -5
It really doesn't bother me at all. I think it's cooler, actually. If Cena is wrestling tonight, then yeah, that's a little far fetched, but if he isn't then I see no problem with wrestlers looking more "super human". And that's kind of the goal of WWE, to make the stars look super human, cause that's always been what kids are in to, right?
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Post by The Future on Apr 27, 2009 18:26:18 GMT -5
Honestly- it's because wrestling has grown as an entertainment industry rather than solely a (mock) athletic event. People don't want realism and believability- just look at all our movies compared to those of old...the format just changes and gets more ridiculous as we get more and more de-sensitized to it. Also- yeah, John Cena is NOT human...the WWE needs to keep reaffirming this with their youthful viewers. Oh, and HHH is obviously a Golden God.
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Post by Edge618 on Apr 27, 2009 18:29:20 GMT -5
I disagree. Wrestling changed with the times, and the fans. Back then wrestling was almost passed off as a genuine sport. The believability of it all is what made seem like one. Now on TV every week, the UNBELIEVEABLE happens, and i think that the way it should be.
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Post by ICW on Apr 27, 2009 18:32:31 GMT -5
The fact that the DDT was ever a finisher is a joke.
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Post by Kick Your Face on Apr 27, 2009 18:36:03 GMT -5
This has been going on in Japan for thirty years. They were ahead of us until around 2001 or 2002. It's nothing new in the wrestling world. Times change and you have to be more creative.
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Post by nirvanacobain on Apr 27, 2009 18:37:57 GMT -5
to be fair it's not like this is incredibly new or anything, it's been going on for a decade now. remember austin CLEARLY killing Triple H at the end of Surivor Series in the crushed car only from Hunter to return like 2 weeks later with not even a scratch on him? This is prob the best example of this. i agree with the poster in alot of ways but times change its just progression. Hey if you want someone to blame i'd go with paul heyman.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2009 18:38:04 GMT -5
Well you're proving your name....
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Post by Hammersmith Hardman on Apr 27, 2009 18:39:26 GMT -5
to be fair it's not like this is incredibly new or anything, it's been going on for a decade now. remember austin CLEARLY killing Triple H at the end of Surivor Series in the crushed car only from Hunter to return like 2 weeks later with not even a scratch on him? Yeah, but I seem to remember Stephanie, saying in those 'few' weeks he wasn't seen, he was coughing up blood
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Post by CF9™ on Apr 27, 2009 18:40:51 GMT -5
It's just wrestling changing with the times, man. Yeah, everyone uses the DDT. But kayfabe wise, maybe since their is so many new devastating moves, the wrestlers have a higher pain tolerence. That would make a DDT the least of their worries, while, a GTS or something is the equivalent of a DDT back then.
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Post by Mr. Old School™ on Apr 27, 2009 18:41:18 GMT -5
The fact that the DDT was ever a finisher is a joke. I totally diagree on that. The way Jake excuted it was like no other. Once he drilled someone with the D.D.T., it was over. I don't see anyone these days that executes a D.D.T. quite like Jake did. If you ask me, the D.D.T. is certainly a whole hell of a lot more effective than an ing F-U as a finisher. That's for damn sure. All the F-U is, is a fireman's carry into a bodyslam pretty much, more or less. Tell me how that's more effective than ramming someone's head into the ground?? Whatever. Doesn't matter. It's just stupid what it takes to beat someone these days. WAY too un-realistic and unbelievable. Too over-the-top for my liking.
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Post by ilol on Apr 27, 2009 18:42:37 GMT -5
Hey man, some people like to be entertained, and with each year goes by, so does Wrestling.
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Post by Dan on Apr 27, 2009 18:46:18 GMT -5
I don't know really, it can work both ways. For instance, Undertaker would more than likely beat someone everytime with a Tombstone, so when they save somebody to kick out of it (e.g. HBK at Wrestlemania 25), it makes the Match a lot more special, without doing the Tombstone any harm in terms of getting the move over.
I agree on the dramatics side of things though. It's like when Shane put Kane in the burning Dumpster on Raw, that should have killed Kane. He was back the week afterwards though.
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Post by hollow9 on Apr 27, 2009 18:48:24 GMT -5
i agree with you man, Wrestling just isnt what it used to be..And sadly it never will be..Everything has to be so Rushed...i mean its getting to the point where we have seen everything a hundred times where they just keep trying to top what they did before..and yeah cena wont be gone long because they cant make him look week..so what that he should be dead...its Jon freaking Cena.."the superman"
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2009 18:48:26 GMT -5
The fact that the DDT was ever a finisher is a joke. I totally diagree on that. The way Jake excuted it was like no other. Once he drilled someone with the D.D.T., it was over. I don't see anyone these days that executes a D.D.T. quite like Jake did. If you ask me, the D.D.T. is certainly a whole hell of a lot more effective than an ing F-U as a finisher. That's for damn sure. All the F-U is, is a fireman's carry into a bodyslam pretty much, more or less. Tell me how that's more effective than ramming someone's head into the ground?? Whatever. Doesn't matter. It's just stupid what it takes to beat someone these days. WAY too un-realistic and unbelievable. Too over-the-top for my liking. The DDT is occasionally a finish to a match.
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Post by Adam3s - V1 on Apr 27, 2009 18:50:02 GMT -5
The fact that the DDT was ever a finisher is a joke. I totally diagree on that. The way Jake excuted it was like no other. Once he drilled someone with the D.D.T., it was over. I don't see anyone these days that executes a D.D.T. quite like Jake did. If you ask me, the D.D.T. is certainly a whole hell of a lot more effective than an ing F-U as a finisher. That's for damn sure. All the F-U is, is a fireman's carry into a bodyslam pretty much, more or less. Tell me how that's more effective than ramming someone's head into the ground?? Whatever. Doesn't matter. It's just stupid what it takes to beat someone these days. WAY too un-realistic and unbelievable. Too over-the-top for my liking. Taker kicked out of a Jake DDT and I'm sure many others did also. Blame - Austin/Rock and Taker/Kane for this change.
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Post by Overnight Sensation on Apr 27, 2009 18:55:04 GMT -5
it needed to happen... with change comes a greater fan base
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Post by Mr. Old School™ on Apr 27, 2009 19:04:01 GMT -5
I don't know, to me, wrestling was so much better back then. Much more enjoyable, that's for sure.
Hell, I still remember the days when Macho Man Randy Savage put Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat on the shelf for what seemed like months and months after he draped his throat over the guard-rail and came off the top ropes to the outside with a flying double-axe handle smash. That stuff was awesome. I still remember that like it happened yesterday, but in reality, it was 20+ years ago.
I know Steamboat wasn't actually hurt. He was just off television selling the "injured larynx" angle. But anyway, stuff like that seemed much more real and believable back then. Now, it's just way too un-realistic. You've got to blow the guy up to put him down for a count of ten...Whatever...
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Post by BladeDJK on Apr 27, 2009 19:14:20 GMT -5
Cena getting up from a conchairto did annoy me
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