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Post by deskjet on Oct 29, 2010 17:57:47 GMT -5
1.29 was the highest segment being the Knockouts( no surprise with horny old men watching) the rest of the night was up and down. But of course bischoff and Hogan know what they're doin
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Post by TheXtremisT on Oct 29, 2010 17:59:22 GMT -5
I can imagine it steadily incresing in the next few weeks, but it's going to be an uphill struggle I love the idea of it being more risque, almost like the attitude era, but the company's still too small atm
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Post by deskjet on Oct 29, 2010 18:06:38 GMT -5
I can imagine it steadily incresing in the next few weeks, but it's going to be an uphill struggle I love the idea of it being more risque, almost like the attitude era, but the company's still too small atm You must be new to TNA. the company has been around fro nearly 10 years. they've been floundering around a 1.0-1.1 since they've been on spike. That means about 1 million people of the 4 million people that actually watched the attitude era, actually like the crap they are pushing now. Furthermore, as evident in the monday night wars, ahlf tna's fan base is just wrestling fans that like wrestling since they dropped to a .5 head to head with RAW. Since the big THEY reveal, TNA has dropped in ratings every week. They suck, end of story.
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Post by No Brokeback on Oct 30, 2010 1:11:00 GMT -5
I can imagine it steadily incresing in the next few weeks, but it's going to be an uphill struggle I love the idea of it being more risque, almost like the attitude era, but the company's still too small atm You must be new to TNA. the company has been around fro nearly 10 years. they've been floundering around a 1.0-1.1 since they've been on spike. That means about 1 million people of the 4 million people that actually watched the attitude era, actually like the crap they are pushing now. Furthermore, as evident in the monday night wars, ahlf tna's fan base is just wrestling fans that like wrestling since they dropped to a .5 head to head with RAW. Since the big THEY reveal, TNA has dropped in ratings every week. They suck, end of story. Wrestling just isn't popular at the moment. TNA has been maintaining their small fanbase and Raw has been getting record lows as well, even with their more interesting storylines. You can't be disappointed everytime ratings remain the same or slightly lower week after week. Each company is trying but nothing is happening.
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Post by SodaGuy on Oct 30, 2010 1:14:31 GMT -5
You are aware of the fact that TNA iMPACT went up against the World Series right? That for the time frame of iMPACT pulled in about 12 million viewers. They also went up against CSI at the same time that got about 14 million viewers. The second hour of iMPACT went up against The Mentalist that pulled in about 15 million viewers.
Let's be fair here... the fact that that they went up against those shows and they sill pulled out over a 1.0... that's pretty freaking good.
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Post by Thick Justice on Oct 30, 2010 1:28:41 GMT -5
You are aware of the fact that TNA iMPACT went up against the World Series right? That for the time frame of iMPACT pulled in about 12 million viewers. They also went up against CSI at the same time that got about 14 million viewers. The second hour of iMPACT went up against The Mentalist that pulled in about 15 million viewers. Let's be fair here... the fact that that they went up against those shows and they sill pulled out over a 1.0... that's pretty freaking good. I agree the fact they held steady basically the same going against the world series is big. Baseball is america's passtime and its the biggest series of the year for it. This basically means almost everyone who watched tna and baseball chose tna. That I find impressive.
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Post by deskjet on Oct 30, 2010 3:43:54 GMT -5
You are aware of the fact that TNA iMPACT went up against the World Series right? That for the time frame of iMPACT pulled in about 12 million viewers. They also went up against CSI at the same time that got about 14 million viewers. The second hour of iMPACT went up against The Mentalist that pulled in about 15 million viewers. Let's be fair here... the fact that that they went up against those shows and they sill pulled out over a 1.0... that's pretty freaking good. I agree the fact they held steady basically the same going against the world series is big. Baseball is america's passtime and its the biggest series of the year for it. This basically means almost everyone who watched tna and baseball chose tna. That I find impressive. No, these are just more excuses. What was Their excuse last week when they dropped. A SF vs Texas world series in two small baseball markets did not pull viewers away. You're also suggesting they only pulled away about 100,000 viewers, which still is nothing. Compare that to WWE RAW getting a 3.0+ rating, not a fter a ppv, and going head to head against two of the biggest markets in pro football, Dallas and New York, compared to two weeks earlier when they had a 2.7, and you can see how your arguments don't hold up. And the excuse that wrestling just isnt popular is a cop out. It's been on the back burner of popularity for a few years now yet it still maintains its core fan base. The problem with TNA is that they've changed their product about a million times and still nothing is catching fire. This whole big "They" storyline, after initial ratings spike has seen a weekly and hourly ratings drop for the product they are putting out there. Bottom line, the Hogan/Bischoff regime is not getting it done. Tna is not growing any more fans then it was before, yet they've spent millions of more dollars to draw in viewers. They've turned wrestling into a docu-drama which is the same thing we see on almost any tv station now. Why should people watch a wrestling show when they can get the same thing, and better, on mtv or vh1. While you're entitled to your opinion, It's sad that some people will always try to justify this company. If you care to read further..this is a pretty good summary from James Caldwell of pwtorch: -- Despite adding Hulk Hogan, Eric Bischoff, Ric Flair, Jeff Hardy, Mr. Anderson, and Rob Van Dam to the roster in 2010, TNA Impact's average rating in 2010 is below 2009's rating through the same period.
Thus far in 2010, Impact has averaged a 1.13 rating on Thursday nights. Including Monday nights, the 2010 average is a 1.05 rating.
Year-to-date in 2009, Impact averaged a 1.16 rating. The average of the 2007 and 2008 ratings to this same point in October were right at this year's Monday night average with a 1.05 and 1.04 average, respectively.
TNA Impact
2007 YTD - 1.05 rating 2008 YTD - 1.04 rating 2009 YTD - 1.16 rating 2010 YTD - 1.13 rating (Thursdays only)
2010 YTD - 1.05 rating (Thursdays & Mondays)
For TNA, instances of hot-shot booking have led to several short-term ratings pops (Montreal Screwjob, RVD's TNA Title win with no build-up, Summer of ECW, the "they" explanation, etc.) followed by a return to the usual 1.00-1.10 ratings range. That's been a consistent theme for TNA's TV product over the last five years on Spike TV. The addition of top stars and big names has helped at times in the short-term, but growth has not been sustained thus far.
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Post by No Brokeback on Oct 30, 2010 3:58:46 GMT -5
You really like to kiss your own ass and it's amusing to read.
Wrestling isn't as popular and numbers are down for both companies when comparing this year to the last. There's nothing much you can argue and there's nothing much they or we can do about it right now. It's not a big deal.
WWE-New stars aren't drawing TNA- Older stars aren't drawing
There's not a lot you can do when nothing is really sticking for anyone.
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Post by TheXtremisT on Oct 30, 2010 6:01:09 GMT -5
I can imagine it steadily incresing in the next few weeks, but it's going to be an uphill struggle I love the idea of it being more risque, almost like the attitude era, but the company's still too small atm You must be new to TNA. the company has been around fro nearly 10 years. they've been floundering around a 1.0-1.1 since they've been on spike. That means about 1 million people of the 4 million people that actually watched the attitude era, actually like the crap they are pushing now. Furthermore, as evident in the monday night wars, ahlf tna's fan base is just wrestling fans that like wrestling since they dropped to a .5 head to head with RAW. Since the big THEY reveal, TNA has dropped in ratings every week. They suck, end of story. Actually I have been a fan of TNA since 2003, and solidly and exclusively a real TNA mark since 2008 (I don't watch WWE anymore) And watching TNA over the years I can honestly say, the company is in one of the best and most interesting shape's of its life The ratings don't mean sh*t As said before, wrestling is loses its fans every year -FACT Both companies are losing the ratings, but despite that, TNA has become a better company The storylines are better, the package is better The problems at the moment is that the X Division is dying and there is still a lot of deadweight on the roster, simply put, 2 hours is not enough And despite you disagreeing with EVERYTHING we say, TNA is getting criticised more every week (good and bad), and it's definitely created more of a buzz since E + H came in I just love that every thread on here has a jackass who likes the beat of his own drum, and that we all are automatically wrong
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Post by King Silva on Oct 30, 2010 7:39:35 GMT -5
Well that sucks but great to see that the time devoted to the KO's at least paid off.
I hope this encourages tna management to continue to give the ladies more time.
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Post by thespecialone on Oct 30, 2010 8:40:59 GMT -5
Nobody watches wrestling anymore. WWE is going down too.
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Post by TheXtremisT on Oct 30, 2010 8:45:24 GMT -5
Nobody watches wrestling anymore. WWE is going down too.
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Post by cordless2016 on Oct 30, 2010 10:49:35 GMT -5
I love how the OP thinks nobody watches TNA when RAW is getting similar ratings to WCW Nitro back in early 2000, the time period that the WWE and their fans constantly say that nobody watched WCW lol.
TNA is doing fine and even though I'm against Hogan and Bischoff in the company, I still think TNA is more interesting to watch than the WWE. Atleast TNA is trying something different and trying to be geared towards adults and being more "edgy," while the WWE has become so stale and repetitive its not even funny.
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Post by deskjet on Oct 30, 2010 11:29:08 GMT -5
I love how the OP thinks nobody watches TNA when RAW is getting similar ratings to WCW Nitro back in early 2000, the time period that the WWE and their fans constantly say that nobody watched WCW lol. TNA is doing fine and even though I'm against Hogan and Bischoff in the company, I still think TNA is more interesting to watch than the WWE. Atleast TNA is trying something different and trying to be geared towards adults and being more "edgy," while the WWE has become so stale and repetitive its not even funny. What shows staleness and repetition? a company floundering in the 1.0;s for the past 5 years, or a company that although, they have lost viewership, has gained in mainstream appeal?
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Post by Deja Voodoo on Oct 30, 2010 11:44:56 GMT -5
So let's see if I understand this correctly...
RAW goes up against MNF, DWTS, & MLB in the same night = it's was just an excuse for the lower ratings. Ratings are low cause PG stinks!
But when TNA does = they were up against stiff competition, so it's okay.
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Post by deskjet on Oct 30, 2010 12:12:36 GMT -5
You must be new to TNA. the company has been around fro nearly 10 years. they've been floundering around a 1.0-1.1 since they've been on spike. That means about 1 million people of the 4 million people that actually watched the attitude era, actually like the crap they are pushing now. Furthermore, as evident in the monday night wars, ahlf tna's fan base is just wrestling fans that like wrestling since they dropped to a .5 head to head with RAW. Since the big THEY reveal, TNA has dropped in ratings every week. They suck, end of story. Actually I have been a fan of TNA since 2003, and solidly and exclusively a real TNA mark since 2008 (I don't watch WWE anymore) And watching TNA over the years I can honestly say, the company is in one of the best and most interesting shape's of its life The ratings don't mean sh*t As said before, wrestling is loses its fans every year -FACT Both companies are losing the ratings, but despite that, TNA has become a better company The storylines are better, the package is better The problems at the moment is that the X Division is dying and there is still a lot of deadweight on the roster, simply put, 2 hours is not enough And despite you disagreeing with EVERYTHING we say, TNA is getting criticised more every week (good and bad), and it's definitely created more of a buzz since E + H came in I just love that every thread on here has a jackass who likes the beat of his own drum, and that we all are automatically wrong And every thread there's a jack ass blind TNA mark that thinks this company does no wrong. Ratings never mean crap to tna fans until they go up, then they all wanna say how much the company is improving Wrestling losing fans every year is a week argument for TNA. Tna was supposed to be the competiton for WWE, meaning they should at least be gaining ground on them. They're a mere fart outta Vince's ass after 10 years! WCW grew more in 2 years than TNA has in the past 10 years, and guess what, they have basically the same damn roster. I wont argue they are not a better company from where they were but they certainly aren't better storyline wise or in the area of making new stars, which is the very foundation of what a wrestling company is built on! Wow, they have better lighting, and more stars, and they've created a negative buzz! Big deal! That's all stuff they coulda done years ago with half the budget they are working with now, and less of the dead weight and more of an emphasis on the x divsion which you cited as a problem.
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Post by deskjet on Oct 30, 2010 12:23:58 GMT -5
You really like to kiss your own ass and it's amusing to read. Wrestling isn't as popular and numbers are down for both companies when comparing this year to the last. There's nothing much you can argue and there's nothing much they or we can do about it right now. It's not a big deal. WWE-New stars aren't drawing TNA- Older stars aren't drawing There's not a lot you can do when nothing is really sticking for anyone. I'm assuming you;re refering to me. Actually I like to offer my opinion on a wrestling company that features an average of 15-20 minutes of actual wrestling in a two hour show. You can call me a realist. And for the record, I'm a tna fan. As some of you cant seem to get through your head, you can actually be a fan of something and criticise it. I like Penn state, but i criticized alot of their coaching a few weeks ago. Maybe if you took the time to understand that analogy you'd be less inclined to think that I'm always bashing TNA. I see something I like doing stupid ass stuff and I comment on it. I dont bend over and take it up the ass and sing "oh happy day" when I see something wrong. You and some others should try it sometime. Now then, I understand ratings are down, but This..."They" angle is TNA's propelling point into the new year, and already ratings have dropped, not just weekly, but hourly. I would think as a TRUE TNA fan this would be alarming, and concerning, but Nooooo...everythings just peachy keen! Hey TNA is about to go off a cliff!!! OH well, it's entertaining and I enjoy it ;D It's called people losing interest in what you have to offer. As I see it, TNA, since they care so much about ratings, need to adress this, and do something about it, like, I don't know, maybe have some wrestling on a wrestling show!?!?!?! But, I'm sure they won't. If you or anyone else wants to counter my argument about this current product then please feel free to do so without resorting to name bashing, that's if you can. I know around here it's hard fro TNA marks to accept the truth.
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Post by cordless2016 on Oct 30, 2010 13:04:35 GMT -5
Again, your ignoring the fact that the WWE has been around forever, while TNA is still considered a new company thats not even 10 years old yet. People know of the WWE because it has been around. But the fact that the WWE went from constantly doing 5.0-6.0 ratings in 2000 to now in the mid 3.0 range says something. Pro Wrestling is in a down period and the fact that TNA was still able to start up and last this long is impressive. The WWE has lost most of their older fans from the attitude era and their current crop of "child fans" are gonna grow up soon and also stop watching this PG crap.
Let me ask you this, would you rather watch TNA w/ Fortune and the Hardy heel turn or watch WWE w/ DX going to "Little Peoples Court" on christmas, Cena's superman act, and a bunch of talentless rookies(Mcintyre, all of Nexus except Barrett) dominate the show?
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Post by deskjet on Oct 30, 2010 13:40:46 GMT -5
Again, your ignoring the fact that the WWE has been around forever, while TNA is still considered a new company thats not even 10 years old yet. People know of the WWE because it has been around. But the fact that the WWE went from constantly doing 5.0-6.0 ratings in 2000 to now in the mid 3.0 range says something. Pro Wrestling is in a down period and the fact that TNA was still able to start up and last this long is impressive. The WWE has lost most of their older fans from the attitude era and their current crop of "child fans" are gonna grow up soon and also stop watching this PG crap. Let me ask you this, would you rather watch TNA w/ Fortune and the Hardy heel turn or watch WWE w/ DX going to "Little Peoples Court" on christmas, Cena's superman act, and a bunch of talentless rookies(Mcintyre, all of Nexus except Barrett) dominate the show? I'm not ignoring that wrestling viewership in genral is down. But it does not excuse that TNA's main storyline is dropping in ratings. The fluctuation of wrestling viewership has nothing to do with whether or not TNA's biggest storyline can grow an audience. TNa viewership is down and goes down becasue people lose interest in what they are doing once the Hot shot angle dies down/ They have no idea how to maintain that angle. And while WWE has gone down in ratings, they've shown more of an increase since their dominant storyline debuted then TNA has. While WWE has gone up and down since their storyline, they have been mostly up. TNA has gone up and down, with mostly down. I'll answer your question in a general manner. I'd rather watch a show that features young up and coming wrestlers, with characters that have a clearly defined role engaging in storylines that are purposeful and consistent. If you can identify which company I'm talking about then you've admittedly identified the company that books for long terms, caters to their audience, and is the better product, if in fact, that's what you look for in a wrestling product as well.
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Post by TheXtremisT on Oct 30, 2010 13:53:30 GMT -5
Again, your ignoring the fact that the WWE has been around forever, while TNA is still considered a new company thats not even 10 years old yet. People know of the WWE because it has been around. But the fact that the WWE went from constantly doing 5.0-6.0 ratings in 2000 to now in the mid 3.0 range says something. Pro Wrestling is in a down period and the fact that TNA was still able to start up and last this long is impressive. The WWE has lost most of their older fans from the attitude era and their current crop of "child fans" are gonna grow up soon and also stop watching this PG crap. Let me ask you this, would you rather watch TNA w/ Fortune and the Hardy heel turn or watch WWE w/ DX going to "Little Peoples Court" on christmas, Cena's superman act, and a bunch of talentless rookies(Mcintyre, all of Nexus except Barrett) dominate the show? QFT Finally someone who sees the truth
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