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Post by Byron F'N Saxton Fan on Oct 30, 2010 1:19:06 GMT -5
- Early numbers are in for the WWE Night of Champions PPV, and the downward trend continues. The 2010 version of the PPV scored 169,000 buys, down from last year, when the show did 267,000 buys. The final number for the show will likely be announced in the next quarterly report.
-spam.com
So you have the next mega-pushed Face in Randy Orton, huge kid-fanbase John Cena, Chris Jericho in what could have been his last Match, the young guy who took out Triple H and was the Champ heading in, Sheamus, the older fan's biggest favorite and established, multiple time WWE/World Champion, Edge, and the guy who was the focus of RAW's Summer programming, Wade Barrett all in the Main Event, on top of The Undertaker and Kane's first PPV Match against one another since WMXX, WITH the World Title on the line, and then the obvious route of every Champion was defending their Title, and you still drop off a cliff with your Worldwide (I think) buyrate?
I like this particular PPV concept, but maybe the "WWE Universe" is finally nutting up and telling WWE to cut the gimmick crap on nearly every PPV.
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Post by Thick Justice on Oct 30, 2010 1:24:25 GMT -5
I blame the recession and PG. Lets face it they can't get angles too the point that fans think the face is gonna try and kill the heel. There main demographic is children who can't afford ppv. The fact is catering too children is a dumb move. This PG limits the brawls the guys get in by quite a bit with no choking, swearing, and blood. The storylines can't get as heated as a non pg.
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Post by cjskittles4 on Oct 30, 2010 1:25:52 GMT -5
Not the "gimmick crap" just the amount of PPVs. I'm almost certain that if they stuck with just Royal Rumble, WrestleMania, SummerSlam, and Survivor Series the buyrates would be substantially better. Sometimes less is more...
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Post by No Brokeback on Oct 30, 2010 1:36:49 GMT -5
I said this in the TNA board
Both companies are trying different things to improve their viewership, but wrestling is simply not very popular at the moment. They're trying, but nothing has really caught on.
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Post by Byron F'N Saxton Fan on Oct 30, 2010 1:39:30 GMT -5
I blame the recession and PG. Lets face it they can't get angles too the point that fans think the face is gonna try and kill the heel. There main demographic is children who can't afford ppv. The fact is catering too children is a dumb move. This PG limits the brawls the guys get in by quite a bit with no choking, swearing, and blood. The storylines can't get as heated as a non pg. Agree, agree and disagree. Recession certainly is to blame in part, as money isn't rolling in for nearly the amount of people it used to, and if it still is, not the amount they were used to. Certainly the economic fall is to blame for some of it PG is interesting, and is where I agree and disagree with you. On one hand, parents may be more willing to buy SummerSlam if their John Cena/Randy Orton fanatic son and/or daughter is begging them to. I know money is tight, but being PG now is where WWE is hoping the idea of die-hards from years of viewing will buy, and so will all of the families with kids amped to watch Cena beat Nexus will take effect. We all know what being a kid before a PPV is like, so I wouldn't underestimate the power of (a) begging kid(s). On the other hand, and I've certainly seen it here, the 18-34 fans, who advertisers crave the most, are wising up and not just blindly buying whatever PPV WWE pedals out. You add in the fans who are steadfast against PG, especially when being asked to pay $45 for what you'll see on RAW and SmackDown. Then the economy buckles some families who would otherwise order, and then the people who, especially here, don't mind PG, but won't shell out so much cash for a PPV built around brutality and "Anything can happen", when we've seen a Ladder Match stopped on the TLC PPV for blood, and we all assume the same would happen for a HIAC Match at that themed PPV, if by chance someone spews the naughty red stuff. |
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Post by ● kaneisdaman ● on Oct 30, 2010 2:47:15 GMT -5
Id say price is the single biggest reason. $30 for a PPV here or there (in aus) seems quite a bit to fork out (let alone every month) but being like $45 or whatever it is in the US, its really a high price and not everyone can fork that out at least 12 times a year. NOC was in unforunate circumstances too, there are far too many PPVs clustered in that time - Summerslam, NOC and HIAC all within a month or two. Need to get rid of one. I like the NOC concept, but it should be moved, replace OTL with it or something.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Oct 30, 2010 3:11:25 GMT -5
Two things.
1) There are too many PPV's. Some of them are only 2 or 3 weeks apart. That's not enough time to build up any stories and actually make them interesting, and the damn things are too expensive to drop that amount of money every 3 or 4 weeks. They need to drop some PPV's and space them out and make them special again.
2) The gimmick PPV's are really starting to tire on a lot of people I would imagine. The PPV's are too expensive to begin with and I don't want to pay all that money and then have to sit through the same match multiple times. Two or 3 Hell in a Cell's, 2 or 3 Elimination Chambers, etc...it's too much and it's ruining those matches also because Hell in a Cell and Elimination Chamber aren't special anymore because they are now ANNUAL occurrences.
WWE needs to realize that LESS IS MORE. Flooding us with PPV's and gimmick matches just makes them seem mundane and common place. I wouldn't do a Hell in a Cell or an Elimination Chamber match for at least 2 years if I was them and really have people shocked and wanting one when they finally do it again, instead of being like "well, every year we get at least 2 of them on the same night".
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Post by DTP. on Oct 30, 2010 4:53:17 GMT -5
I feel it's more so the fact that there is too many pay-per-views, too high PPV prices, and also involving the factor that pro wrestling is going down in universal popularity.
The overgimmick stuff and PG I doubt most of the target audience even care about.
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Post by King Silva on Oct 30, 2010 6:43:19 GMT -5
That sucks. I thought it was a decent show but I'll help them a little with a dvd sale.  |
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Oct 30, 2010 7:52:01 GMT -5
Hopefully this will be an incentive to either get rid of some of the PPV's or lower their ridiculously high price tag, or maybe both. $685 a year for PPV's is a bit much, especially in times like these. I honestly don't mind there being so many PPV's, just lower the freakin' price!
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Post by Rule 30 on Oct 30, 2010 8:07:37 GMT -5
People can't afford to shell out 50 bucks every 3 weeks for a three hour show.
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Post by skribbel24 on Oct 30, 2010 8:32:58 GMT -5
People can't afford to shell out 50 bucks every 3 weeks for a three hour show. I myself can't justify 50 bucks for a three-hour Raw. |
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Oct 30, 2010 8:34:46 GMT -5
People can't afford to shell out 50 bucks every 3 weeks for a three hour show. I myself can't justify 50 bucks for a three-hour Raw. No offense dude, but that was kind of a dumb comment. |
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Post by thespecialone on Oct 30, 2010 8:53:20 GMT -5
1-PG
2-Gimmick ppv
3-Nobody cares about wrestling anymore
4-Boring and limited move sets
5-Bad wrestling technique workers (most of the new guys)
6-You want kids? Well kids cant afford PPV's. There is a reason Hanna Montana doesnt have them.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Oct 30, 2010 9:00:34 GMT -5
1-PG2-Gimmick ppv 3-Nobody cares about wrestling anymore 4-Boring and limited move sets 5-Bad wrestling technique workers (most of the new guys) 6-You want kids? Well kids cant afford PPV's. There is a reason Hanna Montana doesnt have them.  |
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Post by J12 on Oct 30, 2010 9:39:21 GMT -5
Two things. 1) There are too many PPV's. Some of them are only 2 or 3 weeks apart. That's not enough time to build up any stories and actually make them interesting, and the damn things are too expensive to drop that amount of money every 3 or 4 weeks. They need to drop some PPV's and space them out and make them special again. 2) The gimmick PPV's are really starting to tire on a lot of people I would imagine. The PPV's are too expensive to begin with and I don't want to pay all that money and then have to sit through the same match multiple times. Two or 3 Hell in a Cell's, 2 or 3 Elimination Chambers, etc...it's too much and it's ruining those matches also because Hell in a Cell and Elimination Chamber aren't special anymore because they are now ANNUAL occurrences. WWE needs to realize that LESS IS MORE. Flooding us with PPV's and gimmick matches just makes them seem mundane and common place. I wouldn't do a Hell in a Cell or an Elimination Chamber match for at least 2 years if I was them and really have people shocked and wanting one when they finally do it again, instead of being like "well, every year we get at least 2 of them on the same night". I agree. I can't stress enough how important it is to save gimmick matches for when they are actually important. The product has become so flooded with gimmicks that these matches that used to be special, huge money makers no longer hold any value or merit. I still believe gimmick Pay-Per-Views are the single biggest problem with the company right now. With that being said, blaming PG has become way too much of a scapegoat for a lot of people here. As far as I'm concerned, the low buy rates can be attributed to a couple simple concepts... First of all, the economy is horrible right now. Who has the money to spend $45 on something that probably isn't going to be anything special? Hell, I used to order every Pay-Per-View years ago. Then I gradually dropped to only the big four. Now I find that they've become so expensive that I only order Wrestlemania. I don't even consider any of the others anymore. Secondly, and perhaps most importantly, the price doesn't match the quality. $45 is too much for any Pay-Per-View (with the exception of Wrestlemania), especially when they're every month and occasionally within two to three weeks of each other. They've entered into a vicious cycle. They're charging too much too frequently, which leads the fans to having a higher expectation for their shows, with less time to build. Then they shudder at their horribly low buy rates and raise their prices to make up for their shortcomings. It's been that way for years. |
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Post by WCWA Online on Oct 30, 2010 9:40:13 GMT -5
how can people say PG isn't affecting the product for PPVs like Hell in a Cell, where a good juicer cut would make the matches better tenfold? Let's say when the referee was taken out during Kane-Undertaker, Kane slams Taker's head into the cage a bunch of times, works his way out of the door to get a chair. Gets Undertaker bleeding but he's still not slowing down. Tosses him through an announce table but Taker's still coming, like the zombie he is. Hit him with the belt and he just stares blankly. Kane retreats to the ring, chasing Bearer into the cage. Kane's about to destroy Bearer. Taker makes the save. Then do that goofy ass finish with the urn if need be. I would have just had Bearer whack Taker with the urn, showing the powers inside that can always destroy Taker, when chairs, belts, and tables can't. No need for Paul Bearer to hide a flashlight in the urn.
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Post by J12 on Oct 30, 2010 10:06:49 GMT -5
how can people say PG isn't affecting the product for PPVs like Hell in a Cell, where a good juicer cut would make the matches better tenfold? Let's say when the referee was taken out during Kane-Undertaker, Kane slams Taker's head into the cage a bunch of times, works his way out of the door to get a chair. Gets Undertaker bleeding but he's still not slowing down. Tosses him through an announce table but Taker's still coming, like the zombie he is. Hit him with the belt and he just stares blankly. Kane retreats to the ring, chasing Bearer into the cage. Kane's about to destroy Bearer. Taker makes the save. Then do that goofy ass finish with the urn if need be. I would have just had Bearer whack Taker with the urn, showing the powers inside that can always destroy Taker, when chairs, belts, and tables can't. No need for Paul Bearer to hide a flashlight in the urn. I understand where you're coming from, but first of all, blood doesn't make a match. Can it add to it in certain situations? Absolutely. I do agree that on occasions WWE should take exception to their PG commitment and show a little blood when the time is right. The Taker/Kane match is certainly a good example of that. Getting rid of the gimmick Pay-Per-Views would eliminate a lot of times in which people are expecting blood. The problem isn't with PG in and of itself, it's how far WWE takes the PG rating. There is no rule that says you can't show blood on a TV-PG show. I've seen it on multiple occasions. Look at a show like Lost - sometimes it would get a TV-14 rating, other times TV-PG. They still showed blood regardless. The rating was more based upon the subject matter. |
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Post by stonecold on Oct 30, 2010 10:12:48 GMT -5
i remember randy orton was bleeding every where on his head at no way out 2009 and wwe didn't stop the match to clean him up. now they always do it when some one bleeds.
are wwe even aloud to say the word blood? because iv never heard anyone say it. when someone bleeds matt striker says there wearing the wounds of war in stead of saying hes bleeding which is dumb
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Post by MRR on Oct 30, 2010 10:29:42 GMT -5
The bottom line is nothing special happens on the pay per views anymore. The night after a pay per view used to be focused on emphasizing the importance of what happened the previous night to make fans feel like they really missed something. It's just like every Raw, the element of "can't miss TV" is gone. A viewer can miss a pay per view and just watch the Raw the next night and feel like they haven't missed a beat. It shouldn't be that way.
A viewer could watch one week a month and stay pretty much up to date with what his happening. Nothing happens anymore!
Everyone knows the announcing is at the lowest point it has ever been at in the history of the company. Michael Cole is beyond annoying. Jerry Lawler needs to become the heel he once was to bring energy back into the broadcasts. The diva wrestling is at its lowest point since its re-emergence in the late 90s. The Raw GM angle is ridiculous and one of the cheapest stunts they've ever pulled. Instead of going out of their way and hiring someone that is special enough to have an impact on the show, we have a storyline that is extremely inconsistent.
The company is a big mess. In the past, there have always been dream matches that wrestling fans fantasize about, but is there a match between two WWE wrestlers that fans really want to see? No, there isn't. The only mega match that they have left to offer with their current stars would be Cena and Undertaker.
I hate seeing it like this, because I've been a WWF/E fan my whole life, but the company needs major help. There is more suspense to TNA's weekly show than there is WWE's. The way they use the cliffhanger ending to bridge into Reaction is an example of something that is missing in WWE. Do the shows make viewers anticipated for next week?
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