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Post by Yeezy's Mullet: Team X Blades on May 14, 2012 11:28:08 GMT -5
Religion hasn't made any choice for me that haven't made for myself already. It doesn't control me and make me do things that I don't want to do. You're just as brickwalled in to your views as you claim that I am, so don't make it seem like I'm refusing to budge while you're the voice of all reason. I've said that I understand why you and everyone else feels the way you do. i'm totally not brick walled, it's still something i sit on my hands over. to be honest, i do have issues with homosexuality, but i get that those issues spur from ME and the indoctrination of society and religious hatred towards this. i understand the way you feel, i just think you're way smarter than this. So you think I'm just stone cold on the issue? Nay my friend. But you have to understand that I fully, 100% believe that there is a God and that if I do his will, I will have everlasting life in heaven. That is what I believe man. With every fiber in my being. To do that though, I have to do some things that I may not necessarily want to. That's called sacrifice. Do I ever look to the rest of my friends and wish I could go out and get sh*tfaced and sleep with whatever I brought home like they do? Sometimes, but them I remember what I'm here to do and what I'm living for and I don't feel so bad about it. I have a similar deal with the issue at hand. It doesn't feel good that so many think that I'm denying others their rights. But these are the choices I'm making because I want a home in Heaven one day. Every decision I make, I have God's will in mind when I make it. I'm not perfect. I even make the wrong decisions from time to time. I know that sounds batsh*t crazy to people who don't believe in God, but that's the best way I can explain it.
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Post by Mole on May 14, 2012 11:31:05 GMT -5
Except for your implicit denial of marriage rights to homosexuals. I've never denied them anything. I've never told one single person that they can't marry someone of the same sex. But I'm not about to tell them they can either. It's not my decision. Here's the thing you don't seem to grasp: by not voting one way or the other, you are implicitly denying that right. You are allowing the status quo (one that you agree is wrong) to continue. Your point about how no one should dictate that is great, but it isn't the case. You could try to get government out of marriage, but straight couples get benefits and rights that would make many of them (even those that favor gay marriage) vote against that. The legalization of gay marriage is the only ensure that there is equality. Refusing to vote in favor of a minority is equivalent to voting against them.
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Post by Yeezy's Mullet: Team X Blades on May 14, 2012 11:34:24 GMT -5
I've never denied them anything. I've never told one single person that they can't marry someone of the same sex. But I'm not about to tell them they can either. It's not my decision. Here's the thing you don't seem to grasp: by not voting one way or the other, you are implicitly denying that right. You are allowing the status quo (one that you agree is wrong) to continue. Your point about how no one should dictate that is great, but it isn't the case. You could try to get government out of marriage, but straight couples get benefits and rights that would make many of them (even those that favor gay marriage) vote against that. The legalization of gay marriage is the only ensure that there is equality. Refusing to vote in favor of a minority is equivalent to voting against them. Honestly, if there was a vote to remove government from marriage, I would.
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Post by k5 on May 14, 2012 11:35:15 GMT -5
i'm totally not brick walled, it's still something i sit on my hands over. to be honest, i do have issues with homosexuality, but i get that those issues spur from ME and the indoctrination of society and religious hatred towards this. i understand the way you feel, i just think you're way smarter than this. So you think I'm just stone cold on the issue? Nay my friend. But you have to understand that I fully, 100% believe that there is a God and that if I do his will, I will have everlasting life in heaven. That is what I believe man. With every fiber in my being. To do that though, I have to do some things that I may not necessarily want to. That's called sacrifice. Do I ever look to the rest of my friends and wish I could go out and get sh*tfaced and sleep with whatever I brought home like they do? Sometimes, but them I remember what I'm here to do and what I'm living for and I don't feel so bad about it. I have a similar deal with the issue at hand. It doesn't feel good that so many think that I'm denying others their rights. But these are the choices I'm making because I want a home in Heaven one day. Every decision I make, I have God's will in mind when I make it. I'm not perfect. I even make the wrong decisions from time to time. I know that sounds batsh*t crazy to people who don't believe in God, but that's the best way I can explain it. fair enough, i think that takes a lot of strength to have faith today. i honestly do not see why that has to include the homosexual condemnation, but i get that it is a part of the teachings.
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Post by Mole on May 14, 2012 11:35:41 GMT -5
Here's the thing you don't seem to grasp: by not voting one way or the other, you are implicitly denying that right. You are allowing the status quo (one that you agree is wrong) to continue. Your point about how no one should dictate that is great, but it isn't the case. You could try to get government out of marriage, but straight couples get benefits and rights that would make many of them (even those that favor gay marriage) vote against that. The legalization of gay marriage is the only ensure that there is equality. Refusing to vote in favor of a minority is equivalent to voting against them. Honestly, if there was a vote to remove government from marriage, I would. Which, as I mentioned, would be voted down by many of the straight couples who benefit from it.
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Post by Yeezy's Mullet: Team X Blades on May 14, 2012 11:43:47 GMT -5
Honestly, if there was a vote to remove government from marriage, I would. Which, as I mentioned, would be voted down by many of the straight couples who benefit from it. Funny thing is, I'd actually benefit from it. My Wife's credit is terrible and we can't get approved for a decent home to save our lives, lol. But as the sole wager, I'd be approved in a heartbeat. Marriage has always been more of a spiritual commitment to me anyway.
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Post by Mole on May 14, 2012 11:48:58 GMT -5
Which, as I mentioned, would be voted down by many of the straight couples who benefit from it. Marriage has always been more of a spiritual commitment to me anyway. That's great. Unfortunately, our government isn't dictated by what parts of it you decide to take advantage of.
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Post by Yeezy's Mullet: Team X Blades on May 14, 2012 11:52:13 GMT -5
Marriage has always been more of a spiritual commitment to me anyway. That's great. Unfortunately, our government isn't dictated by what parts of it you decide to take advantage of. Nor do I wish it to be. Where you got that from is beyond me.
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Post by Mole on May 14, 2012 11:53:49 GMT -5
That's great. Unfortunately, our government isn't dictated by what parts of it you decide to take advantage of. Nor do I wish it to be. Where you got that from is beyond me. Then I don't understand what your point was when you said: Were you trying to say that you'd still vote against it even though you'd benefit from it? That doesn't change anything because you and your wife are not "many straight couples."
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Post by Yeezy's Mullet: Team X Blades on May 14, 2012 11:58:22 GMT -5
Nor do I wish it to be. Where you got that from is beyond me. Then I don't understand what your point was when you said: Were you trying to say that you'd still vote against it even though you'd benefit from it? That doesn't change anything because you and your wife are not "many straight couples." ....it was....a joke.....ba dum tsss. I was trying to lighten it up a bit. Sorry, back to super srs mode I go.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on May 14, 2012 15:11:58 GMT -5
I have no choice but to respect that. It's an honest and justified opinion. But my main point wasn't even that I wouldn't vote on it. The vultures in this thread decided to make that the main idea here. My main point has been that I don't think that this is even an issue that the people should have to, or be able to vote on. Weather you get married to another man should not be up to me or anyone else. If the question was whether tobacco smoking should be illegal (which is something I'm sure you also disagree with as I would), would you vote on that? Tobacco is harmful to anyone that uses it, getting married to someone of the same sex harms no one. I get what you're saying but bad comparison.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on May 14, 2012 15:23:38 GMT -5
If the question was whether tobacco smoking should be illegal (which is something I'm sure you also disagree with as I would), would you vote on that? Tobacco is harmful to anyone that uses it, getting married to someone of the same sex harms no one. I get what you're saying but bad comparison. It's not a perfect analogy, but I couldn't think of anything else someone might find to be objectionable.
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Post by noir on May 14, 2012 18:23:03 GMT -5
I've never been able to understand how in this day and age, with all the information and knowledge available to us at the click of a button, that there are still people grasping on to that thread that there is a Chrstian god. Then again, I'm not a moron.
Still, it's sad to think with all the prejudice that has occurred in our bloody, disgusting history, that there are still social minorities being treated differently, and almost sub human. THIS is why there should be a voting system in place that requires some sort of general test before voting. Shame, because there are some good Christian people around, and there are some good people from North Carolina, but you pull crap like this and it makes the whole community look bad.
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Post by twinn on May 14, 2012 18:48:18 GMT -5
My feelings: If you're against gay marriage, you.
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Post by StingerSplash on May 14, 2012 23:09:39 GMT -5
I've never been able to understand how in this day and age, with all the information and knowledge available to us at the click of a button, that there are still people grasping on to that thread that there is a Chrstian god. Then again, I'm not a moron. Still, it's sad to think with all the prejudice that has occurred in our bloody, disgusting history, that there are still social minorities being treated differently, and almost sub human. THIS is why there should be a voting system in place that requires some sort of general test before voting. Shame, because there are some good Christian people around, and there are some good people from North Carolina, but you pull crap like this and it makes the whole community look bad. So...I'm a moron? You can believe that everything in the Universe happened out of nothing. Nothing reacted with nothing to create this whole universe we see now? Nope. I'm not buying that. I'll choose to believe that there is a God, a divine power who had a hand in creating everything that we see.
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Post by slappy on May 14, 2012 23:45:59 GMT -5
I wonder how the anti-religious people here would react to gay Christians.
All this talk about brainwashed and how people shouldn't believe "in this day and age" bullcrap is ridiculous.
What harm does it do if someone believes in God? None.
Of course someone will say it was the God believing folks that voted for this amendment. That may be some of them but not all of them.
You don't want to be judged on the actions of others so why do you judge them as a whole group based on the actions of some?
Get government out of marriage. Let churches deal with it. You don't need a piece of paper by the government to say you love the person you are with.
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Post by eddie eddie on May 14, 2012 23:48:07 GMT -5
I wanna marry slappy
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Post by slappy on May 14, 2012 23:49:18 GMT -5
Iowa is the closest place that would allow it.
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Post by eddie eddie on May 14, 2012 23:54:50 GMT -5
Iowa is the closest place that would allow it. lets go
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Post by Kliquid on May 15, 2012 10:23:45 GMT -5
My former MN House Representative, John Kriesel, who is a REPUBLICAN, courageously stood on the House floor and spoke up for the freedom of all Americans regardless of sexual orientation.
He and I might disagree on some issues, but this is a guy who has character that 99% of politicians can only DREAM to have.
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