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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2012 17:34:04 GMT -5
Guys, you have to consider the timeframe most of these people and older voters grew up in...in a small town in the '30s in North Carolina, there WAS no homosexuality - it wasn't even something they considered. Not even the big cities liked it then and it wasn't even in the media, so imagine living in a small rural town; would've been as foreign as Buddhism or a Playstation 3. I don't think people in that type of universe even would have that thought that the concept of two people of the same gender dating or having sex even existed. It wasn't wasn't part of their reality. It'd be like if I took you to the year 2080 and you were to look at the way the world will be at that point. If we had all grown up in a small, rural NC town in 1935 we'd be like that too. I have no problem at all with constitutional gay rights or gays themselves, but if you expect a rural 1935 NCer to be okay with it you have a better chance of one of us growing wings and flying to Mercury. I honestly don't think their goal is to be malicious, it just wasn't part of their reality or universe.
Disclaimer - Many will argue that there could have been small town, rural NC gays in 1935 because homosexuality is genetic...I can definitely agree it very well may be genetic, but at the same time genetics also influence intelligence, and many gays that I've come to known live in metropolitan, moderately affluent areas, or at least affluent suburbs, and many intelligent Europeans settled in bigger cities in the U.S. when they migrated, ending up in NYC, Chicago, L.A., etc. for job opportunities. Not being offense to the rural south either or calling it unintelligent, but many have skill sets in different types of jobs than the ones available in metro/urban cities. They worked farm jobs in rural parts of Germany, Ireland, England, Scotland, etc. and so logically settled in rural parts of the U.S. where their skills were relevant.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on May 9, 2012 17:38:03 GMT -5
The actual act of marriage has nothing to do with religion. Only people who believe religion should control everything believe that marriage is a religious act. The majority of people DON'T get married in churches or any religious venues. Actually, marriage has everything to do with religion. It's a sacrament in just about every religion I'm aware of.
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Post by Adam on May 9, 2012 18:09:56 GMT -5
"While President Obama has played politics on this issue, the Republican Party and our presumptive nominee Mitt Romney have been clear. We support maintaining marriage between one man and one woman and would oppose any attempts to change that."
- Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus
That's right. Regardless of whether Obama is sincere or full of crap, his political opponents will continue the anti-gay trend that they just have to cling to. Seriously, get over it, relax, get a back rub, something.
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Post by Kliquid on May 9, 2012 18:13:48 GMT -5
Definitely not saying Mitt Romney is any better.
Then again, I wouldn't be surprised at all if Romney said that he's for gay marriage next week.
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Post by Adam on May 9, 2012 18:29:19 GMT -5
Then again, I wouldn't be surprised at all if Romney said that he's for gay marriage next week. Took the words right out of mouth. But the fact that he's representing the party obsessed with social issues I think he's smart enough to keep his "current" position.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2012 18:52:51 GMT -5
Has a national Presidental election-level Republican ever expressed support for gay marriage? Local Republicans have I'm sure, and national Libertarians, but I dunno about national Republicans. Maybe Barry Goldwater, but probably later in his life, not in 1964 itself.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on May 9, 2012 19:01:12 GMT -5
Has a national Presidental election-level Republican ever expressed support for gay marriage? Local Republicans have I'm sure, and national Libertarians, but I dunno about national Republicans. Maybe Barry Goldwater, but probably later in his life, not in 1964 itself. Who cares if they support it or not? What difference does it make? If religion and politics should be kept separate than so should the union between two people. If the union of two people, whether they're of opposite sex or same sex, are ever to be equal then they need to be treated as such. Politics doesn't get involved when two people of the opposite sex join in union, so why should it when they are the same sex? Honestly, religion and politics are the two worst things ever thought up by human beings.
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Post by tom on May 9, 2012 19:03:23 GMT -5
Marriage between same sexes is fine, but it doesn't have to be in a church. That's my only stance really. Religion should have no place in law making. Absolutely. I still haven't yet seen a valid argument against that.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2012 19:16:02 GMT -5
Has a national Presidental election-level Republican ever expressed support for gay marriage? Local Republicans have I'm sure, and national Libertarians, but I dunno about national Republicans. Maybe Barry Goldwater, but probably later in his life, not in 1964 itself. Who cares if they support it or not? What difference does it make? If religion and politics should be kept separate than so should the union between two people. If the union of two people, whether they're of opposite sex or same sex, are ever to be equal then they need to be treated as such. Politics doesn't get involved when two people of the opposite sex join in union, so why should it when they are the same sex? Honestly, religion and politics are the two worst things ever thought up by human beings. Nothing, I was just asking, haha.
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Post by Adam on May 9, 2012 19:52:53 GMT -5
Just you watch: OBAMA'S WAR ON MARRIAGE!
...are you listening Fox News?
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Post by King Clayton of the MidWest on May 9, 2012 19:54:24 GMT -5
Well damn!
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2012 22:46:30 GMT -5
I don't care if its 1985 or 2012, if people think gay marriage should not have a chance, im fine with that. Well your not a big fan of woman's rights either, so is the 1920's okay?
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Post by HHH316 on May 9, 2012 22:57:07 GMT -5
Its sad, but doesn't shock me. I've gotta think in 40 years when all of these old timers are long gone, it will be a non issue & accepted everywhere.
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Post by Adam on May 9, 2012 22:59:14 GMT -5
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Post by King Silva on May 9, 2012 23:26:19 GMT -5
It doesn't surprise me at all.
Pretty sad though..
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Post by Kliquid on May 10, 2012 0:45:11 GMT -5
Has a national Presidental election-level Republican ever expressed support for gay marriage? Local Republicans have I'm sure, and national Libertarians, but I dunno about national Republicans. Maybe Barry Goldwater, but probably later in his life, not in 1964 itself. Yes. This also.
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Post by jaymieandrogyny on May 10, 2012 1:10:30 GMT -5
Came in here with a lot to say after reading Triplehfan85 and Millencoln's posts, but everyone already said what needed to be said and I couldn't have said it better. You two need to open up your eyes, broaden your horizons and unlearn whatever backwards-ass views you were taught growing up. Really lame. A big thank you to Cobra Commander and Lorenzo Alcazar for laying down the law - - You guys know what's up. Its sad, but doesn't shock me. I've gotta think in 40 years when all of these old timers are long gone, it will be a non issue & accepted everywhere. Pretty much how I feel about it.
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Post by Eat Defeat. on May 10, 2012 6:27:55 GMT -5
Pathetic.
Speaking of which: you wouldn't believe the two old school homophobes I dealt with on Twitter the other day: Telling me how disgusting they find homosexuality, telling me it's wrong, calling me a f*ggot for standing up to homophobia, comparing it to murder, bringing up god assuming I believe in god.
Their arguments were so hypocrticical, deluded,self contradicting & immature, it was pathetic. I experimented with one of them who was black & feigned racism: low & behold the guy got all pissed off & offended and started blabbing about being equals: I found that laughable seeing how the whole reason I argued with him was his homophobia.
Before I stopped torturing myself & blocked him, he told me how he'd "love to see me face to face", So would I my friend, So would I.
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Post by kingrey4 on May 10, 2012 7:23:58 GMT -5
Yes Yes Yes
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Post by robinsonben36 on May 10, 2012 8:26:43 GMT -5
"Don't let those damn homosexuals get their gayness all over me!"
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