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Post by Kliquid on May 10, 2012 13:31:59 GMT -5
Pathetic. Speaking of which: you wouldn't believe the two old school homophobes I dealt with on Twitter the other day: Telling me how disgusting they find homosexuality, telling me it's wrong, calling me a f*ggot for standing up to homophobia, comparing it to murder, bringing up god assuming I believe in god. Their arguments were so hypocrticical, deluded,self contradicting & immature, it was pathetic. I experimented with one of them who was black & feigned racism: low & behold the guy got all pissed off & offended and started blabbing about being equals: I found that laughable seeing how the whole reason I argued with him was his homophobia. Before I stopped torturing myself & blocked him, he told me how he'd "love to see me face to face", So would I my friend, So would I. I'm honestly baffled that more African Americans aren't standing up for gay rights. Not because they themselves are gay or anything, but because all of them, at one point in their life or another, knows what it's like to have been discriminated against. Maybe they didn't get beaten up or called the "n word" or anything like that, but maybe it's something as small as being passed up for a job... Or having another be scared of them because of the color of their skin... Or they played a video game where there were 14 different "white" skin tones for their character and only one "black" skin tone. It really just confuses me that so many African Americans are incapable of understanding that gays today are the blacks of the 60's. Yes, they're tolerated by most, but there's also this sense of it being "okay" that some people just blatantly discriminate against them. If someone came into this topic right now and started saying how he hates all black people and doesn't think they should have equal rights, there would be a massive uproar. They'd be banned almost instantaneously... Yet when someone says those same things about homosexuals, we're all sitting here and giving them the satisfaction of actually DISCUSSING their bigotry.
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Post by Kliquid on May 10, 2012 13:37:39 GMT -5
Oh also, I find it funny that Milincoln talks about how we shouldn't have to accept how gays live their lives, essentially saying that he believes they shouldn't have equal rights.
Yet at the same time, he's in threads, crying "RACIST" when anyone says that they don't think ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS should have equal rights as US Citizens in this country.
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Post by T R W on May 10, 2012 13:41:28 GMT -5
Pathetic. Speaking of which: you wouldn't believe the two old school homophobes I dealt with on Twitter the other day: Telling me how disgusting they find homosexuality, telling me it's wrong, calling me a f*ggot for standing up to homophobia, comparing it to murder, bringing up god assuming I believe in god. Their arguments were so hypocrticical, deluded,self contradicting & immature, it was pathetic. I experimented with one of them who was black & feigned racism: low & behold the guy got all pissed off & offended and started blabbing about being equals: I found that laughable seeing how the whole reason I argued with him was his homophobia. Before I stopped torturing myself & blocked him, he told me how he'd "love to see me face to face", So would I my friend, So would I. I'm honestly baffled that more African Americans aren't standing up for gay rights. Not because they themselves are gay or anything, but because all of them, at one point in their life or another, knows what it's like to have been discriminated against. Maybe they didn't get beaten up or called the "n word" or anything like that, but maybe it's something as small as being passed up for a job... Or having another be scared of them because of the color of their skin... Or they played a video game where there were 14 different "white" skin tones for their character and only one "black" skin tone. It really just confuses me that so many African Americans are incapable of understanding that gays today are the blacks of the 60's. Yes, they're tolerated by most, but there's also this sense of it being "okay" that some people just blatantly discriminate against them. If someone came into this topic right now and started saying how he hates all black people and doesn't think they should have equal rights, there would be a massive uproar. They'd be banned almost instantaneously... Yet when someone says those same things about homosexuals, we're all sitting here and giving them the satisfaction of actually DISCUSSING their bigotry. Yeah, that has had me perplexed for a long time. Many have very aggressive stances towards gays and are not very accepting or tolerant, despite all of the things they share in common having been discriminated against, in the past, and present. A lot of Latinos are feel the same way. I guess you can chalk it up to both of those groups typically being very religious as the reasoning for it, but you would think they would be more sensitive towards any type of discrimination. But to be honest, acceptance of gays has come a LONG way in the last decade. I don't think it will be too long before they have the rights they deserve, but it will take time. You can't change people's minds overnight, and a lot of old people need to die off so that the younger generation who has more exposure to gays can finally make some sense out of all of this.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on May 10, 2012 15:14:00 GMT -5
Oh also, I find it funny that Milincoln talks about how we shouldn't have to accept how gays live their lives, essentially saying that he believes they shouldn't have equal rights. Yet at the same time, he's in threads, crying "RACIST" when anyone says that they don't think ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS should have equal rights as US Citizens in this country. This surprises you? If I had a nickle for every dumb, contradictory and nonsensical thing he's ever said here I'd be richer than Donald Trump and Bill Gates combined.
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Post by Yeezy's Mullet: Team X Blades on May 10, 2012 15:37:20 GMT -5
Oh also, I find it funny that Milincoln talks about how we shouldn't have to accept how gays live their lives, essentially saying that he believes they shouldn't have equal rights. Yet at the same time, he's in threads, crying "RACIST" when anyone says that they don't think ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS should have equal rights as US Citizens in this country. This surprises you? If I had a nickle for every dumb, contradictory and nonsensical thing he's ever said here I'd be richer than Donald Trump and Bill Gates combined. I still maintain that view, and I'm not ashamed of it. I'm not saying that anyone should be denied equal rights, but to tell me that I MUST accept it as a normal and okay lifestyle is infringing upon my right to maintain whichever beliefs and values I so chose as long as they're within the confines of American law. I'm sure one day it'll be legalized from coast to coast, right along with mary j. Hey, whatever. You won't find me picketing in the streets or using homosexual slurs. You also, however, won't see me voting for it or condoning based on the beliefs that I maintain.
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Post by T R W on May 10, 2012 15:50:08 GMT -5
This surprises you? If I had a nickle for every dumb, contradictory and nonsensical thing he's ever said here I'd be richer than Donald Trump and Bill Gates combined. I still maintain that view, and I'm not ashamed of it. I'm not saying that anyone should be denied equal rights, but to tell me that I MUST accept it as a normal and okay lifestyle is infringing upon my right to maintain whichever beliefs and values I so chose as long as they're within the confines of American law. I'm sure one day it'll be legalized from coast to coast, right along with mary j. Hey, whatever. You won't find me picketing in the streets or using homosexual slurs. You also, however, won't see me voting for it or condoning based on the beliefs that I maintain. As someone who has a different stance than you, I don't see how anyone can have a problem with your viewpoint and how you handle it. You don't agree with it, but you aren't actively out trying to stop it, and you recognize that your viewpoint isn't very popular with many people right now. Anyone who would give you a hard time with it is just trying to force their viewpoint on you, and upset that you don't agree with them. You couldn't ask for someone to disagree with something more respectfully, and I wish more people were capable of that. Some people realize that life doesn't revolve solely around their personal opinions and beliefs. So kudos.
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Post by Doomrider on May 10, 2012 15:57:48 GMT -5
North Carolina obviously hasn't realized the potential for gay divorce court tv shows.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on May 10, 2012 16:02:40 GMT -5
This surprises you? If I had a nickle for every dumb, contradictory and nonsensical thing he's ever said here I'd be richer than Donald Trump and Bill Gates combined. I still maintain that view, and I'm not ashamed of it. I'm not saying that anyone should be denied equal rights, but to tell me that I MUST accept it as a normal and okay lifestyle is infringing upon my right to maintain whichever beliefs and values I so chose as long as they're within the confines of American law. I'm sure one day it'll be legalized from coast to coast, right along with mary j. Hey, whatever. You won't find me picketing in the streets or using homosexual slurs. You also, however, won't see me voting for it or condoning based on the beliefs that I maintain. Don't you think there's a difference between disagreeing with something and thinking something should be illegal though? To me there is.
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Post by Kliquid on May 10, 2012 16:21:19 GMT -5
Don't you think there's a difference between disagreeing with something and thinking something should be illegal though? To me there is. Agreed. I disagree with people smoking cigarettes, but I don't think they should be illegal.
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Post by Adam on May 10, 2012 18:22:09 GMT -5
I still maintain that view, and I'm not ashamed of it. I'm not saying that anyone should be denied equal rights, but to tell me that I MUST accept it as a normal and okay lifestyle is infringing upon my right to maintain whichever beliefs and values I so chose as long as they're within the confines of American law. I'm sure one day it'll be legalized from coast to coast, right along with mary j. Hey, whatever. You won't find me picketing in the streets or using homosexual slurs. You also, however, won't see me voting for it or condoning based on the beliefs that I maintain. So should it be legal or not?
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on May 10, 2012 20:32:35 GMT -5
This surprises you? If I had a nickle for every dumb, contradictory and nonsensical thing he's ever said here I'd be richer than Donald Trump and Bill Gates combined. I still maintain that view, and I'm not ashamed of it. I'm not saying that anyone should be denied equal rights, but to tell me that I MUST accept it as a normal and okay lifestyle is infringing upon my right to maintain whichever beliefs and values I so chose as long as they're within the confines of American law. I'm sure one day it'll be legalized from coast to coast, right along with mary j. Hey, whatever. You won't find me picketing in the streets or using homosexual slurs. You also, however, won't see me voting for it or condoning based on the beliefs that I maintain. No one said you have to accept anything, but I feel it's wrong to be so against someone just for the way they are born. No one chooses to be attracted to the same sex no more than a person choose to be Chinese, Spanish, Russian or American. It makes absolutely no sense for a so called loving God to condemn a person for the way they are born. If it's so wrong, why would God even allow the concept of homosexuality to exist. None of that makes any sense to me. And since you don't have to accept homosexuals or agree that they should have equal rights then that means it should be okay for me to think the same thing about African Americans, right?
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Post by gwtpunk on May 10, 2012 20:59:41 GMT -5
I don't understand the problem with gay people. To quote eminem:"I think if two people love each other, then what the hell? I think that everyone should have the chance to be equally miserable, if they want"
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Post by Yeezy's Mullet: Team X Blades on May 10, 2012 21:52:17 GMT -5
I still maintain that view, and I'm not ashamed of it. I'm not saying that anyone should be denied equal rights, but to tell me that I MUST accept it as a normal and okay lifestyle is infringing upon my right to maintain whichever beliefs and values I so chose as long as they're within the confines of American law. I'm sure one day it'll be legalized from coast to coast, right along with mary j. Hey, whatever. You won't find me picketing in the streets or using homosexual slurs. You also, however, won't see me voting for it or condoning based on the beliefs that I maintain. No one said you have to accept anything, but I feel it's wrong to be so against someone just for the way they are born. No one chooses to be attracted to the same sex no more than a person choose to be Chinese, Spanish, Russian or American. It makes absolutely no sense for a so called loving God to condemn a person for the way they are born. If it's so wrong, why would God even allow the concept of homosexuality to exist. None of that makes any sense to me. And since you don't have to accept homosexuals or agree that they should have equal rights then that means it should be okay for me to think the same thing about African Americans, right? 1. I don't think people are born gay. Not saying that they outright chose to be it either, but I don't think they're born that way. There's not evidence to prove 100% either way, so don't state that as fact when it isn't. 2.I love when people bring the genetics comparison into this. No it's not okay to think the same thing about African Americans because it isn't the same thing. If my mom is black, and my dad is black and they have me, then I'm going to be black. Treating me a certain way because of my DNA, because of the ethnicity and race of my parents is in a whole different ball park. 3. After hearing you speak about God and Christianity, it's pretty safe to say that you have either no concept of the religion, or the completely wrong one. I'm not sure where people get this idea that God is just around to do good things and make people feel wonderful and that's it. 4. I said it clear as day that I don't think people should be denied equal rights, and you come back saying that I do. You are you even reading what I post. C'mon bud, this is getting ridiculous. Absolutely. But I also don't think that it should be up to me or anyone else to decide what another person can and can't do. Honestly, if I were asked to participate in a vote on the issue, I'd pass.
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Post by Kliquid on May 10, 2012 22:27:44 GMT -5
Honestly, if I were asked to participate in a vote on the issue, I'd pass. By avoiding the vote, you're saying that you don't care whether people have equal rights under the law.
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Post by Yeezy's Mullet: Team X Blades on May 10, 2012 22:35:16 GMT -5
Honestly, if I were asked to participate in a vote on the issue, I'd pass. By avoiding the vote, you're saying that you don't care whether people have equal rights under the law. No, I'm saying that I won't have a hand in deciding such a thing for other people. You can't back someone into a corner on the issue. If someone votes against it, they're wrong for denying others equal rights. If someone votes for it, they're condoning and agreeing with it even if they say they don't. If one chooses not to vote on the matter, then they don't care? That's not a fair assumption to make. If I HAD to vote on it, I'd vote against it based on my beliefs. But as long as I had the choice, I wouldn't, and I don't think there's anything wrong with that if it's for the right reasons.
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Post by Kliquid on May 11, 2012 0:17:25 GMT -5
You're either for equal rights or you're not.
You said that you're not trying to deny people equal rights. If that's true, then you would vote for them to have equal rights.
But now you're saying you would vote against it.
So what you're saying is that you're for equal rights....... So long as those equal rights aren't for people you disagree with. In other words, you're full of crap.
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Post by Adam on May 11, 2012 6:39:32 GMT -5
If someone votes against it, they're wrong for denying others equal rights. If I HAD to vote on it, I'd vote against it based on my beliefs. But as long as I had the choice, I wouldn't, and I don't think there's anything wrong with that if it's for the right reasons.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on May 11, 2012 6:46:05 GMT -5
If someone votes against it, they're wrong for denying others equal rights. If I HAD to vote on it, I'd vote against it based on my beliefs. But as long as I had the choice, I wouldn't, and I don't think there's anything wrong with that if it's for the right reasons.
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Post by Yeezy's Mullet: Team X Blades on May 11, 2012 7:48:56 GMT -5
If someone votes against it, they're wrong for denying others equal rights. If I HAD to vote on it, I'd vote against it based on my beliefs. But as long as I had the choice, I wouldn't, and I don't think there's anything wrong with that if it's for the right reasons. First off, that first sentence was saying that if someone voted against it, that's how they'd be viewed. I didn't mean it as a statement that I was making. I said it to make the point that people who feel the way I do are being backed into a corner and spoonfed ideals that they don't really share. So I wasn't contradicting myself.
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Post by Yeezy's Mullet: Team X Blades on May 11, 2012 7:58:37 GMT -5
You're either for equal rights or you're not. You said that you're not trying to deny people equal rights. If that's true, then you would vote for them to have equal rights. But now you're saying you would vote against it. So what you're saying is that you're for equal rights....... So long as those equal rights aren't for people you disagree with. In other words, you're full of crap. As I said above, you misinterpreted what was being said in the first sentence and I already explained it. The issue here is that you have a problem with the way I feel, so you're trying to put words into my mouth and get me to say something or imply something that I don't intend to. That's why it's so hard telling people my stance on this issue. So no, I'm not full of crap and you can take your "playing hardball" political tactics somewhere else. I said in the beginning that I wouldn't vote on it at all, and you forced that to read "I don't care if people have equal rights" when that's not what I meant at all. So as long as you're going to be putting words in my mouth, I'll politely bow out of this discussion.
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