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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2012 20:54:56 GMT -5
I think both should be at fault. Looked like bad timing and poor communication. All I can say is thank god Ziggler came out of that all right. Could have been bad.
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Post by ultimateenigma on Jul 20, 2012 20:56:20 GMT -5
I dont think Ziggler is in a high enough position yet to be complaining like this. Honestly i love Ziggler to death, but he is coming off as a prick. It looked like his fault.
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Post by Planktung on Jul 20, 2012 20:57:19 GMT -5
Seeing the video several times, they both look to be at fault to me.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2012 21:03:01 GMT -5
No one is glad Cara is okay? We're blaming language barriers? Ziggler slipped, plain and simple. It looked like Cara had tried placing Ziggler back on the rope, so he could finish the spot, but Ziggler's slip caused him to lean forward, and it make Cara fall awkwardly, and dragged Ziggler down with him.
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Post by Mr. Fluffykins on Jul 20, 2012 21:09:54 GMT -5
To me, it looks like Cara went to do the move before Ziggler got into the correct position. Before Dolph got completely to the top of the turnbuckle, Sin Cara went to do it making Ziggler slip because he wasn't ready. At 0:11, Cara goes to start the move and Ziggler clearly isn't ready yet so he slips.
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Post by realjuicewinslow on Jul 20, 2012 21:11:19 GMT -5
I'm glad Ziggler is ok.
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Post by Barney Stinson on Jul 20, 2012 21:29:23 GMT -5
I like Ziggler and all and I know it's the "in" thing to call Cara a botcher of everything, but to me it looked like Ziggler slipped. He just seemed over anxious in the match. Watch when Cody sets him up on the ropes to do the kick to the gut, he looks like he's going 100 miles an hour and that almost got botched, he screwed up the sunset flip powerbomb spot by Tyson Kidd (granted it ended up looking cool). I know Ziggler is not a botcher, but he was over anxious and excited and ended up going 100 miles an hour faster than everyone around him.
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Post by awesomeallamerican on Jul 20, 2012 22:03:24 GMT -5
Sin Cara blows, Ziggler is awesome. That's pretty much my stance. This is coming from a guy with The Miz in their signature and avatar. For the record, I neither like nor dislike Cara and likewise for Ziggler. VINTAGE WF bringing up my avatar when it has nothing to do with the topic. I'm not going to defend Miz since it's quite obvious that he's got everything needed to be a star, but if you have no feelings regarding Sin Cara or Ziggler and don't like Miz, then I suppose you don't really like anyone.
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Post by REAL REVY on Jul 20, 2012 22:03:59 GMT -5
I understand Dolph's flustration, but he needs to learn that CASH rules everything and that sometimes you have to take one up for the boys.
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Post by The Natural Eddy Valintino on Jul 20, 2012 23:10:56 GMT -5
I agree to both of them being at fault for the botch. At first, I was going to fully blame Ziggler to slipping, but then I saw the video multiple times. I can see where Sin Cara's at fault and Ziggler. IMO, Sin Cara should have gone to FCW for a couple of months to get adjusted to the WWE style. I've said this since day one of his signing. Maybe he wouldn't botch as much if they sent him down there. They had time as well to put him in FCW then debut him. On January 30, 2011, he was signed. Then on February 24, they did the press conference to announce his signing. He debuted in a house show on March 25. Then on March 28, they announced his debut on April 4th. They should have sent him to FCW in February. They could have kept him till he was ready and they could have done the vignettes until then. Then, he should have debuted against Primo. It could have also given Sin Cara time to learn english in order to communicate with his opponents about the match.
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Post by TheEdgeHead41 on Jul 20, 2012 23:15:34 GMT -5
I got to say, that this looks like Ziggler's fault. Why did he hook Cara's neck like that? That looks to have made Cara off balance and make Ziggler slip.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2012 23:43:38 GMT -5
If you guys actually watch, Ziggler slipped because Cara was pulling him before he could balance himself. Knowing Cara as the botch master and Ziggler as the exact opposite, Ziggler is in the right.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2012 23:55:02 GMT -5
Yeah Dolph screwed that up. He not only slipped he slipped twice and cara was bent too far back to do anything but fall. As for the kick after the fall, I'd say Sin did out of anger like another poster said. Either way Ziggler is wrong no matter what he does/say. Yea but you are not thinking about why he slipped, stop watching Ziggler and watch Caras movement. Cara is trying to start the move before Ziggler can get up on the ropes, hes pulling him foward before hes can balance himself.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2012 0:14:21 GMT -5
I wish Sin Cara would go back to Mexico
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Post by Scotty on Jul 21, 2012 0:28:32 GMT -5
This shows the bias of many wfigs members here.
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Post by TheHawkinsNexus on Jul 21, 2012 0:56:11 GMT -5
I'd be more worried about the spot where tensai threw him that was sick how he landed in the announcer chair ouch!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2012 1:04:15 GMT -5
If you guys actually watch, Ziggler slipped because Cara was pulling him before he could balance himself. Knowing Cara as the botch master and Ziggler as the exact opposite, Ziggler is in the right. If YOU actually watch, Ziggler had hooked his arm over Cara's head as he's trying to stand up, Cara had no way to recover, especially with Ziggler's slip. I love how because Ziggler rarely shows a botch, he couldn't have been at fault. You're competing with a guy WWE officials thought not to put in developmental, I'd be 100% sure I know exactly what I'm doing with the guy (especially if his English isn't all that great), hell, I'd double check if I was the intended winner.
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Post by thehardys4life on Jul 21, 2012 1:04:48 GMT -5
Fire him! Vince!!!
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Post by Joey Cush on Jul 21, 2012 1:06:59 GMT -5
Dolph looked like he was ready for a super-plex, but thing is Sin Cara to my knowledge has never done that spot. Dolph looks like he realized this mid way through the fall and tried to complete the spot to best of his abilities. Probably if Cara had better knowledge of the english language he coulda communicated the move to him better, but it's mostly Dolph's fault for not recognizing or even remembering that Cara was going for a move he does/did as a finisher for the first part of his career, and slipping on the top rope. (Someone really needs to make those turnbuckles more stable for those Sin Cara spots) Why the hell would Sin Cara be going for a Superplex? That move they were going for is a move Sin Cara has done many times in the past. Ziggler slipped, move was botched. I like Ziggler but you cant put all the blame on Sin Cara. Sh*t happens. Owen Hart broke Steve Austins neck.
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Post by CM Hardy on Jul 21, 2012 2:20:58 GMT -5
Like most people here I like Ziggler and all but I think this is Zigglers fault. You can see he slipped and caused Cara to lean back too far and fall.
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