davemartini1127
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Post by davemartini1127 on Jul 21, 2012 4:18:59 GMT -5
Dolph looked like he was ready for a super-plex, but thing is Sin Cara to my knowledge has never done that spot. Dolph looks like he realized this mid way through the fall and tried to complete the spot to best of his abilities. Probably if Cara had better knowledge of the english language he coulda communicated the move to him better, but it's mostly Dolph's fault for not recognizing or even remembering that Cara was going for a move he does/did as a finisher for the first part of his career, and slipping on the top rope. (Someone really needs to make those turnbuckles more stable for those Sin Cara spots) Why the hell would Sin Cara be going for a Superplex? That move they were going for is a move Sin Cara has done many times in the past. Ziggler slipped, move was botched. I like Ziggler but you cant put all the blame on Sin Cara. Sh*t happens. Owen Hart broke Steve Austins neck. I didn't blame Sin Cara, I blamed Dolph for mistaking the move. when Cara runs to the corner Dolph puts his arm around Cara's head in a fashion that looked similar to a suplex. That's why i stated that Ziggler was going for the super-plex for whatever reason and Cara was going for the Spanish fly since that's his original finisher. So it was a intercommunication from Dolph being outta position, thinking about a different move, and slipping. But it may have worked better had prior both had gone over said spot and maybe Cara or the guy talking to Dolph of the spot explained it better. |
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Butchers
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Post by Butchers on Jul 21, 2012 4:32:01 GMT -5
It was Zigglers fault. Why did he hook up for a superplex? I have never seen the receiver of one hook his own arm around the guy who is doing the move to him, it is usually the other way round. Sin Cara only grabbed hold of Dolph because he couldn't get on the top rope. Just because Sin Cara has botched alot before and Ziggler is normally very smooth in the ring, doesn't make it Cara's fault. Everyone makes mistakes, even the very best!
Also, i keep seeing posts from this superluchas.net and most of it has been BS, so this isn't necessarily true.
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Post by Wato Stan Account on Jul 21, 2012 5:21:20 GMT -5
It was on Sunday, it's over. Get over it, it affects your life 0%.
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Mr Wrestling Jr.
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Post by Mr Wrestling Jr. on Jul 21, 2012 5:21:50 GMT -5
I'd be more worried about the spot where tensai threw him that was sick how he landed in the announcer chair ouch! I love how Cole and Lawler get the  out the way and Booker just stands there looking at him "YO YOU ALRIGHT DAWG!?" |
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Callum1993
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Post by Callum1993 on Jul 21, 2012 5:52:49 GMT -5
I understand Dolph's flustration, but he needs to learn that CASH rules everything and that sometimes you have to take one up for the boys. What has that got to do with anything? |
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Post by marino13 on Jul 21, 2012 6:23:46 GMT -5
Looks to me like Ziggler started falling before Cara could even get him set up properly. Ziggler had the arm all wrong and Cara never even got his footing set before they feel backwards. Almost like Ziggler was trying to take a superplex but Cara wasn't going for one.
I love Ziggler as much as the next guy, but I gotta call it the way I see it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2012 6:28:12 GMT -5
I'm a big fan of both, but Dolph was definitely at fault here.
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Post by alexgg on Jul 21, 2012 6:56:42 GMT -5
WHAT AN IDIOT!... on Sin Caras part.
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Post by The Mac on Jul 21, 2012 8:15:45 GMT -5
It WAS Zigglers fault
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Post by DgenerationX092 on Jul 21, 2012 8:34:18 GMT -5
Sin Cara started going. Why the would Sin Cara be bending back for the move before Ziggler was set? Sin Cara started to go, and Ziggler tried holding him down. When you're on the top rope, with someones arm anchoring around the top of your neck, there's nothing that would cause Cara to fall back. That piece of crap forced Ziggler to go through with the move instead of adjusting it, or abandoning it altogether. It was Sin Cara's fault in 100%. He bent back trying to perform the move before Ziggler was ready. Its Lucha style to be quick quick quick, but you still have to master proper timing, especially when performing with non-luchas. EDIT: and it doesn't matter where Zigglers arm was. Even if Ziggler was at fault for that detail specifically, That doesn't play a role whatsoever in Cara's decision to force the move onto Ziggler. |
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Post by MacReady on Jul 21, 2012 8:52:29 GMT -5
I understand Dolph's flustration, but he needs to learn that CASH rules everything and that sometimes you have to take one up for the boys. What has that got to do with anything? I don't think this guy ever knows what he's saying; or English isn't his first language, or he's mentally handicapped in some way. (Seriously not trolling or trying to fight, I really think something is wrong with this guy) Anyway, Ziggler wasn't quite ready yet, had Cara taken a second longer on the top rope, and given Zigs time to adjust, it would've went off smoothly. |
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radicalpunk
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Post by radicalpunk on Jul 21, 2012 10:20:02 GMT -5
assuming sin cara doesn't speak good enough english, i think it's more of an issue of communicating. cara could've told ziggler of when he was going to do the move because ziggler looked a little unsure of what was going on and fell off.
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Post by el torro on Jul 21, 2012 10:45:30 GMT -5
Dolph looked like he was ready for a super-plex, but thing is Sin Cara to my knowledge has never done that spot. Dolph looks like he realized this mid way through the fall and tried to complete the spot to best of his abilities. Probably if Cara had better knowledge of the english language he coulda communicated the move to him better, but it's mostly Dolph's fault for not recognizing or even remembering that Cara was going for a move he does/did as a finisher for the first part of his career, and slipping on the top rope. (Someone really needs to make those turnbuckles more stable for those Sin Cara spots) Dolph didn't set himself up for a suplex, Cara did. |
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Post by World Title Contender on Jul 21, 2012 10:50:39 GMT -5
Stuff happens.
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Post by Chris Hammers on Jul 21, 2012 10:51:51 GMT -5
I love Dolph but he was a bit of a mess in that match. He somehow face bumped a sunset flip powerbomb.
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Post by punksnotdead on Jul 21, 2012 10:56:10 GMT -5
I like how people who watched the move happen on tv know exactly who is to blame. Nobody knows what the planned spot was but everyone knows it's all wrestler "x's" fault. Vintage IWC. I like Sin Cara but the guy keeps screwing up, regardless if this particular incident was his fault or not. I personally think he has trouble seeing out of the mask, especially under normal lighting where the mesh would create really bad reflections. I think the general feeling is that the guy has been a flop. More people seemed to like the Hunico version more than the Mistico version, and I wouldn't be shocked to see Hunico go back to the gimmick at some point.
Like I said, I enjoy Sin Cara, but I won't be losing any sleep when he is gone.
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Post by wabarrett on Jul 21, 2012 11:29:42 GMT -5
I like how people who watched the move happen on tv know exactly who is to blame. Nobody knows what the planned spot was but everyone knows it's all wrestler "x's" fault. Vintage IWC. I like Sin Cara but the guy keeps screwing up, regardless if this particular incident was his fault or not. I personally think he has trouble seeing out of the mask, especially under normal lighting where the mesh would create really bad reflections. I think the general feeling is that the guy has been a flop. More people seemed to like the Hunico version more than the Mistico version, and I wouldn't be shocked to see Hunico go back to the gimmick at some point. Like I said, I enjoy Sin Cara, but I won't be losing any sleep when he is gone. Who said he's going anywhere? Other than a few nerds on here wanting him fired because of a few botches. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2012 11:39:11 GMT -5
I like how people who watched the move happen on tv know exactly who is to blame. Nobody knows what the planned spot was but everyone knows it's all wrestler "x's" fault. Vintage IWC. I like Sin Cara but the guy keeps screwing up, regardless if this particular incident was his fault or not. I personally think he has trouble seeing out of the mask, especially under normal lighting where the mesh would create really bad reflections. I think the general feeling is that the guy has been a flop. More people seemed to like the Hunico version more than the Mistico version, and I wouldn't be shocked to see Hunico go back to the gimmick at some point. Like I said, I enjoy Sin Cara, but I won't be losing any sleep when he is gone. Who said he's going anywhere? Other than a few nerds on here wanting him fired because of a few botches. When you botch as many times as Sin Cara its obvious that he wont be around that long. If anyone is a nerd here its you, proof is that Rey Mysterio sig. |
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Post by Joey Cush on Jul 21, 2012 11:51:28 GMT -5
Who said he's going anywhere? Other than a few nerds on here wanting him fired because of a few botches. When you botch as many times as Sin Cara its obvious that he wont be around that long. If anyone is a nerd here its you, proof is that Rey Mysterio sig. Rey Mysterio sigs = nerds?  |
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Post by wabarrett on Jul 21, 2012 11:52:21 GMT -5
Who said he's going anywhere? Other than a few nerds on here wanting him fired because of a few botches. When you botch as many times as Sin Cara its obvious that he wont be around that long. If anyone is a nerd here its you, proof is that Rey Mysterio sig. Yep, liking Rey Mysterio makes you a nerd. Sitting on a computer, repeatedly expressing your desire for someone (someone who lives to entertain you as a fan) to lose their job on a forum in no way makes you a nerd. Shut up, in other words. |
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