homeslice1998
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Post by homeslice1998 on Jul 22, 2012 8:33:29 GMT -5
Ziggler was the botch master in this match. He screwed up Sin Cara's move, nearly killed himself by jumping too far for Tensai and turned a sunset flip powerbomb into a facebuster which could have injured Kidd. I like Cara and Ziggler, but to put the blame on Cara's so called 'botches' (btw how many has he actually done recently?) is just plain ignorant woah, woah, woah, woah, woah...WOAH. How was that throw a botch?! If anything, Ziggler only oversold, but it looked awesome. Same with that sunset flip from Kidd. He oversold but did not botch. I don't see how Kidd would've gotten injured by an oversell. This is the MitB match we're talking about. A match where it's all about pain. They need to sell good in order to look as if the move was the worst pain they ever felt. No when Tyson Kidd did the Sunset flip Ziggler was suppose to land on his back on on his face.
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Post by el torro on Jul 22, 2012 10:54:52 GMT -5
woah, woah, woah, woah, woah...WOAH. How was that throw a botch?! If anything, Ziggler only oversold, but it looked awesome. Same with that sunset flip from Kidd. He oversold but did not botch. I don't see how Kidd would've gotten injured by an oversell. This is the MitB match we're talking about. A match where it's all about pain. They need to sell good in order to look as if the move was the worst pain they ever felt. No when Tyson Kidd did the Sunset flip Ziggler was suppose to land on his back on on his face. think about what you're saying..
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2012 12:42:31 GMT -5
I can't believe you didn't respond to my comment about Cara cause I was right and changed the subject to Miz. 'nuff spamming from me. I win. That's because saying 'Sin Cara botches' is beating a dead horse. It's tired. So I responded with a typical, tired willbuh response. Sin Cara does stuff half the guys on the roster couldn't even hope to pull off. Sure, he makes mistakes, he slips, whatever. When everyone else can fly around the ring at even half his pace and perform a back flip side slam from the top rope without ever making an error, let me know. You act like that move he does is all him...Paul Burchill did it 10 times better and more believable.
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Post by wabarrett on Jul 22, 2012 15:47:49 GMT -5
That's because saying 'Sin Cara botches' is beating a dead horse. It's tired. So I responded with a typical, tired willbuh response. Sin Cara does stuff half the guys on the roster couldn't even hope to pull off. Sure, he makes mistakes, he slips, whatever. When everyone else can fly around the ring at even half his pace and perform a back flip side slam from the top rope without ever making an error, let me know. You act like that move he does is all him...Paul Burchill did it 10 times better and more believable. 1. '-perform a back flip side slam from the top rope...' 2. It's alright, the opponent using the top tope as an aid and jumping forward before Burchill even looked to have started pulling him down didn't make it look '10 times better and more believable' though, IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2012 15:52:16 GMT -5
looks more believable than Sin Cara touching their shoulder which I guess magically makes them do a flip
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Post by wabarrett on Jul 22, 2012 15:55:17 GMT -5
Seems fine. And more awesome than a second rope version.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2012 15:58:00 GMT -5
Looks like crap to me. His La Mistica finisher is better
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Post by wabarrett on Jul 22, 2012 16:03:18 GMT -5
Looks like crap to me. His La Mistica finisher is better We'll agree to disagree. As for the La Mistica, I don't understand why he uses the facebuster version; it rarely makes an impact and is never sold properly. If he sticks an armbar on the end of it, it's a way better move.
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Post by alwayssunny on Jul 22, 2012 16:10:08 GMT -5
Ziggler thinks hes the greatest thing that happened to wrestling recently, I think he's a whiny son of bitch that needs to shut the up.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Jul 22, 2012 16:31:37 GMT -5
Lucha and WWE doesnt mix.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2012 16:33:58 GMT -5
Ziggler thinks hes the greatest thing that happened to wrestling recently, I think he's a whiny son of bitch that needs to shut the up. Still real to you, dammit?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2012 16:36:27 GMT -5
its both of their faults to be honest. neither guy was on the same page for that move, and it showed. we're lucky neither was seriously hurt That's what it looked like for me. Glad they weren't seriously hurt though.
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Post by The Undertaker on Jul 22, 2012 21:03:55 GMT -5
Both of their faults. Ziggler needs to shut up and move on. Maybe Kidd should file a formal complaint about Ziggler botching the sunset flip spot.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2012 21:51:43 GMT -5
I like how people who watched the move happen on tv know exactly who is to blame. Nobody knows what the planned spot was but everyone knows it's all wrestler "x's" fault. Vintage IWC. I like Sin Cara but the guy keeps screwing up, regardless if this particular incident was his fault or not. I personally think he has trouble seeing out of the mask, especially under normal lighting where the mesh would create really bad reflections. I think the general feeling is that the guy has been a flop. More people seemed to like the Hunico version more than the Mistico version, and I wouldn't be shocked to see Hunico go back to the gimmick at some point. Like I said, I enjoy Sin Cara, but I won't be losing any sleep when he is gone. Who said he's going anywhere? Other than a few nerds on here wanting him fired because of a few botches. The people bashing me for my comments about Rey Mysterio need to learn sarcasm. The guy above was calling anyone that questions Sin Caras wrestling ability a nerd, no one took issue with that. I just used his sig to show how easy it is to call someone a nerd because they dont agree with you. I dont think Rey Mystero fans are nerds, but you people do need to realize he is a PG made for kids wrestler.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2012 22:01:27 GMT -5
I love how all these people here that have never wrestled a match in their life want to come in here and act like they know for a fact Ziggler screwed up. How do you know they were even suppose to do a Spanish Fly? It looks like Zigger was setting up for a completely diff move. Knowing the reputation of these two wrestlers, Ziggler has proven time and time again he knows his sh*t while Sin Cara cant go a match without botching 4 to 5 times.
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Post by Joe/Smurf on Jul 22, 2012 23:00:51 GMT -5
Looks to me like Ziggler slipped and then Sin Cara got up too quickly without letting him recover. Kind of both of their faults, really.
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Post by k5 on Jul 22, 2012 23:39:47 GMT -5
that, it looked like sin cara just wanted to fall back and gave up on the move. he weighed ziggler down. i'm interested to see what develops from this.
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Post by Richikane on Jul 23, 2012 3:56:21 GMT -5
they just need to put hunico back in the mask and be done with it. I'm not against Mystico as Cara but he can only work safely with 3 or 4 guys who are used to fast paced matches where you might not get to set up perfect. I do like the character though.
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Post by emmaobrien1 on Jul 23, 2012 4:13:02 GMT -5
Ziggler thinks hes the greatest thing that happened to wrestling recently, I think he's a whiny son of bitch that needs to shut the up. Wow..
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2012 7:17:35 GMT -5
Ziggler thinks hes the greatest thing that happened to wrestling recently, I think he's a whiny son of bitch that needs to shut the up. Still real to you, dammit? I LOL'D But yeah Ziggler to me is just getting stale.
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