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Post by J12 on Jul 21, 2012 11:54:41 GMT -5
Truthfully, I don't buy this complaint garbage. Sounds like typical dirtsheet rumor to try to stir up controversy.
As for the spot, it seems to me like they were both at fault. But who cares? It's over, and they're both fine. Time to move on.
Whether it was Sin Cara's fault, Ziggler's fault, or both of them, it doesn't change the fact that Cara has proven on multiple occasions that he hasn't adapted to the WWE style in the slightest. He is dangerous in the ring, there's no doubt about that. If this one can't be blamed on him, there's been plenty of other spots that can. I would imagine his time is limited.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2012 12:06:28 GMT -5
When you botch as many times as Sin Cara its obvious that he wont be around that long. If anyone is a nerd here its you, proof is that Rey Mysterio sig. Yep, liking Rey Mysterio makes you a nerd. Sitting on a computer, repeatedly expressing your desire for someone (someone who lives to entertain you as a fan) to lose their job on a forum in no way makes you a nerd. Shut up, in other words. Who has repeatedly expressed their desire for Sin Botcha to lose his job? most have just made one statment for him to get lost. When you cant do your job like Sin Botcha has shown you need to find a new one. Fact: Only kids like Rey Mysterio, grown men that like Rey Mysterio equal nerd
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Post by Kassius OhYes on Jul 21, 2012 12:08:30 GMT -5
Ziggler was the botch master in this match. He screwed up Sin Cara's move, nearly killed himself by jumping too far for Tensai and turned a sunset flip powerbomb into a facebuster which could have injured Kidd. I like Cara and Ziggler, but to put the blame on Cara's so called 'botches' (btw how many has he actually done recently?) is just plain ignorant
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Post by MacReady on Jul 21, 2012 12:10:02 GMT -5
Yep, liking Rey Mysterio makes you a nerd. Sitting on a computer, repeatedly expressing your desire for someone (someone who lives to entertain you as a fan) to lose their job on a forum in no way makes you a nerd. Shut up, in other words. Who has repeatedly expressed their desire for Sin Botcha to lose his job? most have just made one statment for him to get lost. When you cant do your job like Sin Botcha has shown you need to find a new one. Fact: Only kids like Rey Mysterio, grown men that like Rey Mysterio equal nerdSuch a negative thing to say, why would you say that? All your posts are so negative... Wah Wah wah.... sound familiar?
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Post by el torro on Jul 21, 2012 12:18:35 GMT -5
Ziggler was the botch master in this match. He screwed up Sin Cara's move, nearly killed himself by jumping too far for Tensai and turned a sunset flip powerbomb into a facebuster which could have injured Kidd. I like Cara and Ziggler, but to put the blame on Cara's so called 'botches' (btw how many has he actually done recently?) is just plain ignorant woah, woah, woah, woah, woah...WOAH. How was that throw a botch?! If anything, Ziggler only oversold, but it looked awesome. Same with that sunset flip from Kidd. He oversold but did not botch. I don't see how Kidd would've gotten injured by an oversell. This is the MitB match we're talking about. A match where it's all about pain. They need to sell good in order to look as if the move was the worst pain they ever felt.
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Post by hCo.Bro™ [brandon_lee] on Jul 21, 2012 12:25:43 GMT -5
Let see Im 25 and I like Rey, so Im a nerd? What about the fact that Ive liked Rey since 96 when I first saw him in WCW when I was 9? Since I was a kid then, does that still make me a nerd?
As for the original topic, I can see this being stretched alittle bit. I wouldnt blame him for being shaken up though. In my opinion there were two many people in that match to begin with and Im suprised there werent any serious injuries.
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Post by Kassius OhYes on Jul 21, 2012 12:29:45 GMT -5
Ziggler was the botch master in this match. He screwed up Sin Cara's move, nearly killed himself by jumping too far for Tensai and turned a sunset flip powerbomb into a facebuster which could have injured Kidd. I like Cara and Ziggler, but to put the blame on Cara's so called 'botches' (btw how many has he actually done recently?) is just plain ignorant woah, woah, woah, woah, woah...WOAH. How was that throw a botch?! If anything, Ziggler only oversold, but it looked awesome. Same with that sunset flip from Kidd. He oversold but did not botch. I don't see how Kidd would've gotten injured by an oversell. This is the MitB match we're talking about. A match where it's all about pain. They need to sell good in order to look as if the move was the worst pain they ever felt. Ok, so taking a move where you are supposed to take a back bump and doing a 180 isn't dangerous? That wasn't overselling. That move has been done numerous times before. Kidd was still in the move when Dolph turned it which could have caused Kidd to rotate with him and smack his head. It also made Ziggler look dumb. The throw was cool but a stupid risk by Ziggler nonetheless. As much as I like Ziggler, I wasn't a fan of him in this match
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Post by wabarrett on Jul 21, 2012 12:35:01 GMT -5
Yep, liking Rey Mysterio makes you a nerd. Sitting on a computer, repeatedly expressing your desire for someone (someone who lives to entertain you as a fan) to lose their job on a forum in no way makes you a nerd. Shut up, in other words. Who has repeatedly expressed their desire for Sin Botcha to lose his job? most have just made one statment for him to get lost. When you cant do your job like Sin Botcha has shown you need to find a new one. Fact: Only kids like Rey Mysterio, grown men that like Rey Mysterio equal nerd 1. Only kids like Rey Mysterio? Well that's wrong, because I'm 20 and I like him. 2. Mysterio has lot of fans who are kids... that means I'm a nerd for liking him. Guess that makes you a nerd for liking Zack Ryder then, because kids also like him. 3. You still collect wrestling figures. Kids collect wrestling figures. That must mean you're a nerd, because collecting wrestling figures is only for kids... Now, realise how stupid you sound and how your logic is total nonsense, and shut up.
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Post by el torro on Jul 21, 2012 12:49:36 GMT -5
woah, woah, woah, woah, woah...WOAH. How was that throw a botch?! If anything, Ziggler only oversold, but it looked awesome. Same with that sunset flip from Kidd. He oversold but did not botch. I don't see how Kidd would've gotten injured by an oversell. This is the MitB match we're talking about. A match where it's all about pain. They need to sell good in order to look as if the move was the worst pain they ever felt. Ok, so taking a move where you are supposed to take a back bump and doing a 180 isn't dangerous? That wasn't overselling. That move has been done numerous times before. Kidd was still in the move when Dolph turned it which could have caused Kidd to rotate with him and smack his head. It also made Ziggler look dumb. The throw was cool but a stupid risk by Ziggler nonetheless. As much as I like Ziggler, I wasn't a fan of him in this match whatever dude, I just can't believe you call those botches.
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Post by wabarrett on Jul 21, 2012 12:53:15 GMT -5
Ok, so taking a move where you are supposed to take a back bump and doing a 180 isn't dangerous? That wasn't overselling. That move has been done numerous times before. Kidd was still in the move when Dolph turned it which could have caused Kidd to rotate with him and smack his head. It also made Ziggler look dumb. The throw was cool but a stupid risk by Ziggler nonetheless. As much as I like Ziggler, I wasn't a fan of him in this match whatever dude, I just can't believe you call those botches. Yeah, and I can't believe people are so critical of a guy who wears a mask that he can barely see out of, is still trying to learn how to communicate well with his opponents, and does such high-risk, daring stuff, just because he slips now and then. But I guess we'll both have to continue to be baffled.
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Post by Kassius OhYes on Jul 21, 2012 12:54:22 GMT -5
whatever dude, I just can't believe you call those botches. Yeah, and I can't believe people are so critical of a guy who wears a mask that he can barely see out of, is still trying to learn how to communicate well with his opponents, and does such high-risk, daring stuff, just because he slips now and then. But I guess we'll both have to continue to be baffled. This
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Post by el torro on Jul 21, 2012 13:06:15 GMT -5
whatever dude, I just can't believe you call those botches. Yeah, and I can't believe people are so critical of a guy who wears a mask that he can barely see out of, is still trying to learn how to communicate well with his opponents, and does such high-risk, daring stuff, just because he slips now and then. But I guess we'll both have to continue to be baffled. Yeah, I can't believe take it takes over a year to fix that problem with the eye holes in the mask when like, you know..it could easily be fixed during that one time he was injured because he botched but didn't bother. Or that it takes over a year to get used to the style they work with others. The baffling continues!
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Post by wabarrett on Jul 21, 2012 13:09:30 GMT -5
Yeah, and I can't believe people are so critical of a guy who wears a mask that he can barely see out of, is still trying to learn how to communicate well with his opponents, and does such high-risk, daring stuff, just because he slips now and then. But I guess we'll both have to continue to be baffled. Yeah, I can't believe take it takes over a year to fix that problem with the eye holes in the mask when like, you know..it could easily be fixed during that one time he was injured because he botched but didn't bother. Or that it takes over a year to get used to the style they work with others. The baffling continues! I can't believe The Miz was WWE Champion even though he hadn't yet learned how to wrestle at the time. Another mystery. Your turn.
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Post by el torro on Jul 21, 2012 13:13:35 GMT -5
Yeah, I can't believe take it takes over a year to fix that problem with the eye holes in the mask when like, you know..it could easily be fixed during that one time he was injured because he botched but didn't bother. Or that it takes over a year to get used to the style they work with others. The baffling continues! I can't believe The Miz was WWE Champion even though he hadn't yet learned how to wrestle at the time. Another mystery. Your turn. I can't believe you didn't respond to my comment about Cara cause I was right and changed the subject to Miz. 'nuff spamming from me. I win.
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Post by wabarrett on Jul 21, 2012 13:21:01 GMT -5
I can't believe The Miz was WWE Champion even though he hadn't yet learned how to wrestle at the time. Another mystery. Your turn. I can't believe you didn't respond to my comment about Cara cause I was right and changed the subject to Miz. 'nuff spamming from me. I win. That's because saying 'Sin Cara botches' is beating a dead horse. It's tired. So I responded with a typical, tired willbuh response. Sin Cara does stuff half the guys on the roster couldn't even hope to pull off. Sure, he makes mistakes, he slips, whatever. When everyone else can fly around the ring at even half his pace and perform a back flip side slam from the top rope without ever making an error, let me know.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2012 13:53:00 GMT -5
Yep, liking Rey Mysterio makes you a nerd. Sitting on a computer, repeatedly expressing your desire for someone (someone who lives to entertain you as a fan) to lose their job on a forum in no way makes you a nerd. Shut up, in other words. Who has repeatedly expressed their desire for Sin Botcha to lose his job? most have just made one statment for him to get lost. When you cant do your job like Sin Botcha has shown you need to find a new one. Fact: Only kids like Rey Mysterio, grown men that like Rey Mysterio equal nerd Actually someone who would make the assumption that only a child could like Rey is completely nerdy.
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Post by Edge618 on Jul 21, 2012 15:08:00 GMT -5
Yeah, and I can't believe people are so critical of a guy who wears a mask that he can barely see out of, is still trying to learn how to communicate well with his opponents, and does such high-risk, daring stuff, just because he slips now and then. But I guess we'll both have to continue to be baffled. Yeah, I can't believe take it takes over a year to fix that problem with the eye holes in the mask when like, you know..it could easily be fixed during that one time he was injured because he botched but didn't bother. Or that it takes over a year to get used to the style they work with others. The baffling continues! Watch some of his stuff in Mexico. The problem isn't him, it's the WWE style and wrestlers. His moveset is more difficult than anyone in the WWE. His style takes skill from both wrestlers. It's not his fault that WWE is so stale with their in-ring action, that no body knows how to work with an actually skilled lucha libre wrestler. Look at the way wrestlers in Mexico sold the La Mistica armbar. It looks twice as good because the wrestlers in Mexico knew the move and knew how to sell it. Everyone expects Sin Cara to learn the WWE style. If he did he would just be another generic cruiserweight. They need to up their game and learn to work with him, they hired him because of how he looked in Mexico, and now everyone wants him to blend in? Bull crap. Anyone who says he should "adapt to the wwe style" is just content with boring wrestling.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2012 15:11:12 GMT -5
Considering ultimately the only source I saw to this story elsewhere was SuperLuchas, I think we can officially call this Dirt Sheet BS. I mean, flippin' Rajah is more credible.
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Post by Barney Stinson on Jul 21, 2012 16:33:57 GMT -5
I'm not a Sin Cara fan, but honestly, I think this move is the first time I've seen a Sin Cara related botch since he returned from injury.
The problem was he came in on an already messed up knee. They had him trampolining into the ring and he was expected to live up to being "the biggest star in Mexico moniker." He was trying to pull off moves he probably couldn't physically do because of the knee, causing a lot more botches than normal. Hell, he got suspended for getting injections in his knee to keep going. Then at Survivor Series it finally went.
But since he's been back, he's been ok. I went to a house show a few weeks back and he was incredible there, no sign of even a slight botch.
Not trying to make excuses or defend the guy, just saying what I've noticed.
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Post by CM Hardy on Jul 21, 2012 16:54:13 GMT -5
Yep, liking Rey Mysterio makes you a nerd. Sitting on a computer, repeatedly expressing your desire for someone (someone who lives to entertain you as a fan) to lose their job on a forum in no way makes you a nerd. Shut up, in other words. Who has repeatedly expressed their desire for Sin Botcha to lose his job? most have just made one statment for him to get lost. When you cant do your job like Sin Botcha has shown you need to find a new one. Fact: Only kids like Rey Mysterio, grown men that like Rey Mysterio equal nerd WTF is your problem theres nothing wrong with a grown man liking Mysterio. Thats not even a fact it just makes you look like a idiot.
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