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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2014 13:59:52 GMT -5
Can't wait to see the reaction to 'The Self Destruction of CM Punk' ( If Hunter & Vince get super PO'd with him).
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Post by PVA on Apr 18, 2014 14:14:18 GMT -5
I know. I heard Jericho talk about it on his podcast. Ah ok. I'm just saying that you can make anyone seem like an bunghole if you only concentrate on the negative, or in the case of the DVD, try and rewrite history. h. Almost made this point myself. Think of the field day you could have with guys like hogan, stone cold and ric flair if you disregard the significant impact they made on wrestling and only focus on the negatives. |
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Apr 18, 2014 14:44:32 GMT -5
I enjoyed it as well. Because of his passing, I think we are forgetting a lot of the bad things Warrior has done. From holding Vince up for money, no showing scheduled shows and even his anti homophobic rants or his attack of ebay sellers for selling Warrior merchandise on ebay......Warrior wasnt an angel. Its an extremely sad story and he will definitely be missed. But this DVD exposed a lot of the crimes Warrior put WWE through. WWE is no angel either. They have made mistakes and have disrespected people. But I think a lot of this dvd was very honest. Hogan, Slaughter and Heenan just told the world how they felt about Warrior. Warrior was fairly reckless in the ring. With all that said, he is also a legend in pro wrestling. In his documentary that aired tonight, they made mention of how his popularity was rivaling Hogans and that is why they went ahead and put the belt on him. I believe this to be 100% true. I grew up watching this era and can remember how much I loved Warrior. Hogan was my guy in WWF, but Warrior kept growing on me more and more and more. And it was cuz he looked like a super hero. To a kid, his nonsensical promos meant nothing. What I saw was this larger than life hero snarling, growling and being tough and saying he was gonna kick some butt. He deserves to be honored for his accomplisments and remembered for his contributions. But we shouldnt just forget his shortcomings either. I thought the "holding up" thing was squashed by the leaked letters earlier this year? His attack of ebay sellers? I don't recall that...only the ones that are selling counterfeit merchandise. How is that a bad thing? Sounds like you really did enjoy and buy in to the Self Destruction dvd. lol According to Vince, Hogan, Slaughter, etc Warrior held them up. They even addressed it again last night. His attack on ebay sellers by having auctions removed of Mattel figures, Jakks, autographed 8x10s etc...calling it all his "intellectual property". I really DID enjoy the Self Destruction DVD. I think it was an original introspective report on WWE's time with him. Buy into? Not any more so than you "buying into" Warrior's stories. The truth is always somewhere in the middle. Both sides are guilty of crimes against one another. I made that PERFECTLY clear in my original post. |
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Post by y2josh on Apr 18, 2014 15:14:07 GMT -5
This is, in all reality, my most watched WWE dvd of all time. Not sure why; I was never a Warrior fan. I enjoyed the documentary, some of the over the top ways it was presented was comical...and because Hulk Hogan was the main focus of my childhood attentions, I don't remember much about Warrior. The doc showed some stuff I had never known before.
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Post by figurecollector on Apr 18, 2014 15:17:21 GMT -5
Look, none of us worked for WWF when these things between Vince and Warrior we're going down so our opinion really means nothing. If Vince said he was hard to deal with then I assume he was hard to deal with. If Bobby Heenan said he sucked in the ring then I assume he sucked in the ring. If they really wanted to bury him then the extras would have been his crap matches instead of his best ones. I don't think any part of the documentary buried him as a person other then mentioning some of his weird antics, promos and business decisions. Again, it was probably more truthful than most of the other documentaries they have ever produced. Let's be honest, the Warrior was a weird guy. He changed his damn name to Warrior for Christ's sake. I don't see how they could not bring that up in the documentary and talk about it being weird. His promos for also very strange and out there. I don't know how they could talk in his documentary about his promos not being strange. Lastly, that DVD came out like 10 years ago and I don't remember anybody protesting out in front of Titan Towers back then. Now that he's dead, people seem to care about a DVD they made 10 years ago that may not have covered up all of Warriors faults. Anyway, they are more than making up for any faults they may have made in that DVD now. I think Warrior has gotten more memorial time than any wrestler I can remember. Hell, they are devoting an entire week to him on the WWE network. A few comments - people did complain about the dvd when it was released. This isn't because he passed - Steve Williams legally changed his name to Steve Austin. He must be pretty crazy too. Do you understand how trademarks work and how popular wrestlers want to use there character as a cash cow even if they aren't wwe employees? No one is buying Jim hellwig merch, but warrior merch will sell without wwe permission. Wwe only owns ultimate warrior properties. - believing whatever wwe employees tell you makes me believe you may be a naive fan. How many participants from dvd were not employed by wwe at the time? -they included 2 great matches......they still were trying to sell and make money off the dvd. They wouldn't put unknown matches on there. The name change to Steve Austin is not really the best example as he changed his name because there was already Dr. Death Steve Williams and I am sure they did not want two wrestlers out there with the same name, "Dr. Death" attached to it or not. The same with actors, Mark Wahlburg notwithstanding. |
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Post by PVA on Apr 18, 2014 17:15:41 GMT -5
A few comments - people did complain about the dvd when it was released. This isn't because he passed - Steve Williams legally changed his name to Steve Austin. He must be pretty crazy too. Do you understand how trademarks work and how popular wrestlers want to use there character as a cash cow even if they aren't wwe employees? No one is buying Jim hellwig merch, but warrior merch will sell without wwe permission. Wwe only owns ultimate warrior properties. - believing whatever wwe employees tell you makes me believe you may be a naive fan. How many participants from dvd were not employed by wwe at the time? -they included 2 great matches......they still were trying to sell and make money off the dvd. They wouldn't put unknown matches on there. The name change to Steve Austin is not really the best example as he changed his name because there was already Dr. Death Steve Williams and I am sure they did not want two wrestlers out there with the same name, "Dr. Death" attached to it or not. The same with actors, Mark Wahlburg notwithstanding. True not the best example but the first to come to mind. Nonetheless, changing his name to ensure he could continue living off the gimmick he spent years making a household name isn't really that crazy. The fact said name is warrior makes it odd but no harm. A non story that was blown up to make fun of him for dvd. |
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Post by HuskerTornado on Apr 18, 2014 17:26:53 GMT -5
I thought the "holding up" thing was squashed by the leaked letters earlier this year? His attack of ebay sellers? I don't recall that...only the ones that are selling counterfeit merchandise. How is that a bad thing? Sounds like you really did enjoy and buy in to the Self Destruction dvd. lol According to Vince, Hogan, Slaughter, etc Warrior held them up. They even addressed it again last night. His attack on ebay sellers by having auctions removed of Mattel figures, Jakks, autographed 8x10s etc...calling it all his "intellectual property".I really DID enjoy the Self Destruction DVD. I think it was an original introspective report on WWE's time with him. Buy into? Not any more so than you "buying into" Warrior's stories. The truth is always somewhere in the middle. Both sides are guilty of crimes against one another. I made that PERFECTLY clear in my original post. It's pretty easy to find where this didn't happen like that at all, Warrior's marketing company made a statement saying they only requested counterfeit items be taken down. People were profiting off of using his image and name with bootlegged merchandise. He has every right to be protective of his character, that's his living. The held up deal was cleared up with the leaked letters from their court case, they were leaked earlier this year. Warrior asked for his Wrestlemania pay so he could purchase a house. This was weeks before SS. |
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Post by HuskerTornado on Apr 18, 2014 17:28:04 GMT -5
This is, in all reality, my most watched WWE dvd of all time. Not sure why; I was never a Warrior fan. I enjoyed the documentary, some of the over the top ways it was presented was comical...and because Hulk Hogan was the main focus of my childhood attentions, I don't remember much about Warrior. The doc showed some stuff I had never known before. Because almost all of it was bs. lol |
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Apr 18, 2014 17:47:24 GMT -5
According to Vince, Hogan, Slaughter, etc Warrior held them up. They even addressed it again last night. His attack on ebay sellers by having auctions removed of Mattel figures, Jakks, autographed 8x10s etc...calling it all his "intellectual property".I really DID enjoy the Self Destruction DVD. I think it was an original introspective report on WWE's time with him. Buy into? Not any more so than you "buying into" Warrior's stories. The truth is always somewhere in the middle. Both sides are guilty of crimes against one another. I made that PERFECTLY clear in my original post. It's pretty easy to find where this didn't happen like that at all, Warrior's marketing company made a statement saying they only requested counterfeit items be taken down. People were profiting off of using his image and name with bootlegged merchandise. He has every right to be protective of his character, that's his living. The held up deal was cleared up with the leaked letters from their court case, they were leaked earlier this year. Warrior asked for his Wrestlemania pay so he could purchase a house. This was weeks before SS. Leaked letters from who? Warrior? WWE? Either which way.....asking for an advance with the threat of not performing, regardless of what reason it was for....DEFINES holding one up for pay. You can spin it however, you want. Warrior's marketing company can release a statement that they crap diamonds....doesnt mean its true. |
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Post by HuskerTornado on Apr 18, 2014 18:52:07 GMT -5
It's pretty easy to find where this didn't happen like that at all, Warrior's marketing company made a statement saying they only requested counterfeit items be taken down. People were profiting off of using his image and name with bootlegged merchandise. He has every right to be protective of his character, that's his living. The held up deal was cleared up with the leaked letters from their court case, they were leaked earlier this year. Warrior asked for his Wrestlemania pay so he could purchase a house. This was weeks before SS. Leaked letters from who? Warrior? WWE? Either which way.....asking for an advance with the threat of not performing, regardless of what reason it was for....DEFINES holding one up for pay. You can spin it however, you want. Warrior's marketing company can release a statement that they crap diamonds....doesnt mean its true. The court documents are public record and someone put them out as part of an article on it shortly after his HOF induction was announced in January. There was a multi-page thread here about it (and at every other wrestling forum). The ebay statement from his company is true. There were many counterfeit unlicensed t-shirts, posters, etc., and then they all disappeared. His company had those items removed. No more than that, there is always thousands of his licensed items for sale there. www.sportskeeda.com/wwe/ultimate-warrior-issues-statement-about-people-selling-his-merchandise-on-ebay/ |
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Apr 18, 2014 22:24:51 GMT -5
Leaked letters from who? Warrior? WWE? Either which way.....asking for an advance with the threat of not performing, regardless of what reason it was for....DEFINES holding one up for pay. You can spin it however, you want. Warrior's marketing company can release a statement that they crap diamonds....doesnt mean its true. The court documents are public record and someone put them out as part of an article on it shortly after his HOF induction was announced in January. There was a multi-page thread here about it (and at every other wrestling forum). The ebay statement from his company is true. There were many counterfeit unlicensed t-shirts, posters, etc., and then they all disappeared. His company had those items removed. No more than that, there is always thousands of his licensed items for sale there. www.sportskeeda.com/wwe/ultimate-warrior-issues-statement-about-people-selling-his-merchandise-on-ebay/You still havent answered my question. But like I said....its irrelevant. Based on what you claim those letter reveal....they reveal he held Vince up for money, something you have denied. And NO.....the ebay statement is true that they released said statement. It does NOT make it true that what is contained in it is the only things they attempt to take down from ebay. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2014 4:59:44 GMT -5
I thought the "holding up" thing was squashed by the leaked letters earlier this year? His attack of ebay sellers? I don't recall that...only the ones that are selling counterfeit merchandise. How is that a bad thing? Sounds like you really did enjoy and buy in to the Self Destruction dvd. lol According to Vince, Hogan, Slaughter, etc Warrior held them up. They even addressed it again last night. His attack on ebay sellers by having auctions removed of Mattel figures, Jakks, autographed 8x10s etc...calling it all his "intellectual property". I really DID enjoy the Self Destruction DVD. I think it was an original introspective report on WWE's time with him. Buy into? Not any more so than you "buying into" Warrior's stories. The truth is always somewhere in the middle. Both sides are guilty of crimes against one another. I made that PERFECTLY clear in my original post. I believe that theory was put to sleep when those letters between Vince and Warrior were leaked some time ago. The story in the DVD is that Warrior held Vince up on the spot and wouldn't go out unless he paid it. Which is wrong, Warrior demanded the money that he was owed from (I believe) Wrestlemania 7 and I don't think there was ever a threat of him no showing Summerslam. Vince and Hogan are compulsive liars. And Slaughter was fully aware of what they were going to do to Bret so I'd trust him about as far as his lisp spit travels out his mouth when he attempts to speak. |
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Post by PVA on Apr 19, 2014 10:30:43 GMT -5
Not sure if it's more comical or sad that the wwe manage to brainwash so many fans regarding warrior.
I'm not saying warrior didn't make mistakes or was 100% right in his recollection of events but the bs that was exaggerated on by wwe mostly shown on the dvd is ridiculous.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2014 11:24:49 GMT -5
Warrior isn't the first (or last) person WWE has dumped on while there was heat with the company....
In fact, Hogan has probably got the worst treatment out of anyone. WWE has minimized Hogan's legacy on SEVERAL occasions and dumped on him while he wasn't in the company. Bret Hart as well. Just watch the "McMahon" DVD they made about 10 years ago which totally shats on Bret Hart during the Screwjob chapter.
It's just the nature of the beast guys. Let's relax. Was it probably unprofessional on WWE's part? Yes. Did it hurt Warrior's feelings? Yes. Is WWE more than making up for it now? Yes. They are devoting an entire WEEK to him on WWE Network.
Warrior moved on. So should we. Let's calm down, have a sip of coffee for the working man and enjoy Steph's delicious legs and ass in my avatar pic.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2014 11:31:25 GMT -5
I have the DVD, watched it a few times, but it is far from my favourite WWE doco...and by no means am I the biggest Warrior fan, but at the time, it was the only production I could own that had Warrior matches that I hadn't seen in ages... I really don't have anything to add regarding what it comes down to who did what and so on; I guess I feel like...  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2014 11:37:30 GMT -5
Warrior isn't the first (or last) person WWE has dumped on while there was heat with the company.... In fact, Hogan has probably got the worst treatment out of anyone. WWE has minimized Hogan's legacy on SEVERAL occasions and dumped on him while he wasn't in the company. Bret Hart as well. Just watch the "McMahon" DVD they made about 10 years ago which totally shats on Bret Hart during the Screwjob chapter. It's just the nature of the beast guys. Let's relax. Was it probably unprofessional on WWE's part? Yes. Did it hurt Warrior's feelings? Yes. Is WWE more than making up for it now? Yes. They are devoting an entire WEEK to him on WWE Network. Warrior moved on. So should we. Let's calm down, have a sip of coffee for the working man and enjoy Steph's delicious legs and ass in my avatar pic. They dumped on Bret in the Shawn DVD on the screwjob chapter too. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2014 11:40:50 GMT -5
Warrior isn't the first (or last) person WWE has dumped on while there was heat with the company.... In fact, Hogan has probably got the worst treatment out of anyone. WWE has minimized Hogan's legacy on SEVERAL occasions and dumped on him while he wasn't in the company. Bret Hart as well. Just watch the "McMahon" DVD they made about 10 years ago which totally shats on Bret Hart during the Screwjob chapter. It's just the nature of the beast guys. Let's relax. Was it probably unprofessional on WWE's part? Yes. Did it hurt Warrior's feelings? Yes. Is WWE more than making up for it now? Yes. They are devoting an entire WEEK to him on WWE Network. Warrior moved on. So should we. Let's calm down, have a sip of coffee for the working man and enjoy Steph's delicious legs and ass in my avatar pic. They dumped on Bret in the Shawn DVD on the screwjob chapter too.  |
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Apr 19, 2014 16:10:25 GMT -5
According to Vince, Hogan, Slaughter, etc Warrior held them up. They even addressed it again last night. His attack on ebay sellers by having auctions removed of Mattel figures, Jakks, autographed 8x10s etc...calling it all his "intellectual property". I really DID enjoy the Self Destruction DVD. I think it was an original introspective report on WWE's time with him. Buy into? Not any more so than you "buying into" Warrior's stories. The truth is always somewhere in the middle. Both sides are guilty of crimes against one another. I made that PERFECTLY clear in my original post. I believe that theory was put to sleep when those letters between Vince and Warrior were leaked some time ago. The story in the DVD is that Warrior held Vince up on the spot and wouldn't go out unless he paid it. Which is wrong, Warrior demanded the money that he was owed from (I believe) Wrestlemania 7 and I don't think there was ever a threat of him no showing Summerslam. Vince and Hogan are compulsive liars. And Slaughter was fully aware of what they were going to do to Bret so I'd trust him about as far as his lisp spit travels out his mouth when he attempts to speak. Thats different than what Husker said. He was making it sound like Warrior wouldnt go out unless he got an advance on his upoming WM pay. So you are saying that Warrior never got his PREVIOUS WM pay and wanted it before he was gonna perform at SS? Anyone have a link to any of these documents. I would love to read what is what to have a better understanding then. As far as the Bret thing....I dont care WHO lies about that. That whole thing is a major black eye on pro wrestling and I attribute ALL OF IT to Bret Hart. You can say Vince, Shawn, the agents, etc all played a role in this or that. And thats true. But the bottom line of it is Vince is the booker....he said drop the belt to Shawn....you drop it to Shawn. You can raise issue, make suggestions, plead your case....but when the final decision is made, you do what is asked. |
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Post by HuskerTornado on Apr 19, 2014 16:39:53 GMT -5
I believe that theory was put to sleep when those letters between Vince and Warrior were leaked some time ago. The story in the DVD is that Warrior held Vince up on the spot and wouldn't go out unless he paid it. Which is wrong, Warrior demanded the money that he was owed from (I believe) Wrestlemania 7 and I don't think there was ever a threat of him no showing Summerslam. Vince and Hogan are compulsive liars. And Slaughter was fully aware of what they were going to do to Bret so I'd trust him about as far as his lisp spit travels out his mouth when he attempts to speak. So you are saying that Warrior never got his PREVIOUS WM pay and wanted it before he was gonna perform at SS? Anyone have a link to any of these documents. I would love to read what is what to have a better understanding then. As far as the Bret thing....I dont care WHO lies about that. That whole thing is a major black eye on pro wrestling and I attribute ALL OF IT to Bret Hart. You can say Vince, Shawn, the agents, etc all played a role in this or that. And thats true. But the bottom line of it is Vince is the booker....he said drop the belt to Shawn....you drop it to Shawn. You can raise issue, make suggestions, plead your case....but when the final decision is made, you do what is asked. An advance for something 9 months into the future? Come on...that would be ridiculous. He was owed his Wrestlemania VII payoff, he hadn't received it in months. He was waiting on it so he could buy a home and got frustrated, which prompted the letters back and forth. This is what the bounced check joke from UW's HOF speech was about. |
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Post by Mr. Old School™ on Apr 19, 2014 19:02:40 GMT -5
It's been a long time since I've watched the DVD, but I thought it was pretty funny at the time. I enjoyed it. Everyone buried Warrior on that DVD. I wonder if they changed their tune since he passed...
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