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Post by Self-Savior on Oct 4, 2014 19:32:44 GMT -5
No one will ever hand you 10 dollars for no reason. Everyone has to work to get 10 dollars. So yes it will bug me to buy something this poorly made. The Flair, if it's a Proto, has only been handled by Mattel execs or sales reps. As such that would mean it went right from who ever painted it to the people who handle these figs at conventions, so why is it so scuffed? If you look at the pictures the Wade figure is scuffed, and the Hogan DM is also scuffed. I take this as an example of what Mattel is putting out there. Which is sad because in the years that I've bought Barbies for my mom and nieces, I've never seen a Barbie doll with scuffs like this. They are early samples that they don't have to show you and you complain becUse of scuffs? Do they usually have them when you buy them in stores? If the early painted proto has scuffs and you don't like it than don't buy the God damn thing. It's not that hard. ^ This. Quit complaining about minor scuffs. Would you rather them not show anything at all then?
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Post by Nivro™ on Oct 4, 2014 20:01:55 GMT -5
Like someone else said relax its a god damn prototype that they didn't even have to show. Maybe it got scuffed on its way to the show? It's not some 1000$ item its a 10$ tou. That being said these all look pretty good and I'm really looking foward to all the flashbacks No one will ever hand you 10 dollars for no reason. Everyone has to work to get 10 dollars. So yes it will bug me to buy something this poorly made. The Flair, if it's a Proto, has only been handled by Mattel execs or sales reps. As such that would mean it went right from who ever painted it to the people who handle these figs at conventions, so why is it so scuffed? If you look at the pictures the Wade figure is scuffed, and the Hogan DM is also scuffed. I take this as an example of what Mattel is putting out there. Which is sad because in the years that I've bought Barbies for my mom and nieces, I've never seen a Barbie doll with scuffs like this. You either dont know the right people, or you got some really crapty (or broke) friends. Ive got about 15 people I could ask for $10 and they'd give it to me in a heartbeat and never mention anything about paying back. (As would I to them)
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Post by Halloween King on Oct 4, 2014 20:08:58 GMT -5
No one will ever hand you 10 dollars for no reason. Everyone has to work to get 10 dollars. So yes it will bug me to buy something this poorly made. The Flair, if it's a Proto, has only been handled by Mattel execs or sales reps. As such that would mean it went right from who ever painted it to the people who handle these figs at conventions, so why is it so scuffed? If you look at the pictures the Wade figure is scuffed, and the Hogan DM is also scuffed. I take this as an example of what Mattel is putting out there. Which is sad because in the years that I've bought Barbies for my mom and nieces, I've never seen a Barbie doll with scuffs like this. They are early samples that they don't have to show you and you complain becUse of scuffs? Do they usually have them when you buy them in stores? If the early painted proto has scuffs and you don't like it than don't buy the God damn thing. It's not that hard. See the thing is that, sadly, yes a lot of the figures I see in store have scuff marks. I complain because im paying for the figures, so in exchange I would like Mattel to do a decent job with the wwe license. A lot of people are quick to knock Jakks but I never once purchased a Jakks figure with Scuff marks on it. I never remember seeing scuff marks on new hasbros, or LJNs, Or Remcos, or Galoobs, but they seem to be a common thing in Mattel. It's not right for them to do it, much less to present those scuff marked figures at conventions. Until recently Mattel was the biggest toy maker in the world, they should act like a big prestigious company, not like flea market vendors. I say flea market vendors because I'd expect to see those kinds of scuff marks on second hand figures found at flea markets. Go to any other kind of convention, an auto show for example. Ford would NEVER take a car that was dented or scuffed to present to the world at a convention. Yet I see at least 3 different figures in these pics with scuff marks. It isnt becoming of a major corporation. I guess you're fine with inferior products being presented to you? Maybe you're the kind of guy that doesnt care about standards? I do care. I work for my money so when I spend it I want to get the best possible product in exchange for my money. And this is why I complain so much, because no one else is making wwe figures, just Mattel. So I expect nice looking figures, I might not agree with the face sculpts, I might not agree with the parts selections, but I do expect them to at least give me something that has been properly painted. I complain on here in hopes that someone from Mattel will check out the forums and notice that the product they presented at a Major convention is defective. If no one speaks up then Mattel will think it's cool to let these mistakes be common place. I can't stress enough how frustrated I get when I want a figure but when I see it on the pegs it has some kind of defect, either paint smudges or scuffs. Those are quality control issues that should have been taken care of at the manufacturing facility.
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Post by Roman Bellic on Oct 4, 2014 20:11:21 GMT -5
No this is unacceptable. Imagine that you are going to throw a party so you go and check out different banquet halls. What if when you go the halls are dirty and messy? And then the sample meals are cold or disgusting? Would you put a down payment and reserve the hall? Are you going to buy a new car that has been shown to you with all kinds of scuffs/scratches? The exhibit figures, especially at a fest/convention, should be the companys finest example of the product that will be comming out. So when a company presents something with that many scuffs it tells me that the best figure they could find had that many scuff. What can we expect from the figures they didnt choose to publicly exhibit? The funniest thing is your user name. I say that because the Wade Barret figure in the pictures also has scuffs on his torso. ok buddy, relax
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Post by Halloween King on Oct 4, 2014 20:16:02 GMT -5
No one will ever hand you 10 dollars for no reason. Everyone has to work to get 10 dollars. So yes it will bug me to buy something this poorly made. The Flair, if it's a Proto, has only been handled by Mattel execs or sales reps. As such that would mean it went right from who ever painted it to the people who handle these figs at conventions, so why is it so scuffed? If you look at the pictures the Wade figure is scuffed, and the Hogan DM is also scuffed. I take this as an example of what Mattel is putting out there. Which is sad because in the years that I've bought Barbies for my mom and nieces, I've never seen a Barbie doll with scuffs like this. You either dont know the right people, or you got some really crapty (or broke) friends. Ive got about 15 people I could ask for $10 and they'd give it to me in a heartbeat and never mention anything about paying back. (As would I to them) It's not about the money as much as it about what's given to me for the money. Look at Gasoline. It costs around 4 dollars a gallon right now. Four dollars doesnt seem like that much money right? (Obviously not because you are knocking me for 10 dollars.) So if you buy 1 gallon of gasoline and put it in your car all you've spent is 4 dollars right? So it's cool to you if that gasoline has a high water content? You wont mind that your car is knocking and pinging right? I mean it's only 4 dollars. You'll want to go back to the same gas station every time right? It's not about the money it's about the company standards. I want to give Mattel my money, all im asking for in exchange is that they do their jobs.
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Post by Halloween King on Oct 4, 2014 20:23:35 GMT -5
No this is unacceptable. Imagine that you are going to throw a party so you go and check out different banquet halls. What if when you go the halls are dirty and messy? And then the sample meals are cold or disgusting? Would you put a down payment and reserve the hall? Are you going to buy a new car that has been shown to you with all kinds of scuffs/scratches? The exhibit figures, especially at a fest/convention, should be the companys finest example of the product that will be comming out. So when a company presents something with that many scuffs it tells me that the best figure they could find had that many scuff. What can we expect from the figures they didnt choose to publicly exhibit? The funniest thing is your user name. I say that because the Wade Barret figure in the pictures also has scuffs on his torso. ok buddy, relax Im relaxed. Im just amazed that im the only one that cares about standards on here. These figures were not mass packaged and shipped to stores, these were taken by some kind of exec or sales rep and put on display at a major convention in a Major USA city. I know when people do conventions they want the best possible product sample to display for the public. So I see these scuffed figures and my understanding is that with all those scuffs those were the best examples of those figures Mattel could find? I remember one time I delivered bread to a bakery convention here in Chicago. I remember they refused several boxes just because the boxes had smudged ink on the labels. I remember I had to do another trip and get better looking boxes, mind you the bread was fine it was just the smeared ink on the box labels. That's what I call having standards and pride in what you are presenting to the customers. I see im in the minority here though as far as having wanted to see quality products on display at this convention.
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Post by Roman Bellic on Oct 4, 2014 20:25:23 GMT -5
Im relaxed. Im just amazed that im the only one that cares about standards on here. These figures were not mass packaged and shipped to stores, these were taken by some kind of exec or sales rep and put on display at a major convention in a Major USA city. I know when people do conventions they want the best possible product sample to display for the public. So I see these scuffed figures and my understanding is that with all those scuffs those were the best examples of those figures Mattel could find? I remember one time I delivered bread to a bakery convention here in Chicago. I remember they refused several boxes just because the boxes had smudged ink on the labels. I remember I had to do another trip and get better looking boxes, mind you the bread was fine it was just the smeared ink on the box labels. That's what I call having standards and pride in what you are presenting to the customers. I see im in the minority here though as far as having wanted to see quality products on display at this convention. these are PROTOS, not the finished product,
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Post by Halloween King on Oct 4, 2014 20:41:14 GMT -5
Im relaxed. Im just amazed that im the only one that cares about standards on here. These figures were not mass packaged and shipped to stores, these were taken by some kind of exec or sales rep and put on display at a major convention in a Major USA city. I know when people do conventions they want the best possible product sample to display for the public. So I see these scuffed figures and my understanding is that with all those scuffs those were the best examples of those figures Mattel could find? I remember one time I delivered bread to a bakery convention here in Chicago. I remember they refused several boxes just because the boxes had smudged ink on the labels. I remember I had to do another trip and get better looking boxes, mind you the bread was fine it was just the smeared ink on the box labels. That's what I call having standards and pride in what you are presenting to the customers. I see im in the minority here though as far as having wanted to see quality products on display at this convention. these are PROTOS, not the finished product, Wow, where do I start? If they are protos that means it went from a developer's desk to a sales rep, so where did it get the scuff mark? The Flair, and the Wade are already painted so those look good to go, almost like they were pulled out of a package. The Hogan DM is already in package and has scuff marks on both thighs. The Bigshow Basic Both Bryan Basics The Rock Basic Cesaro Basic The Cena Basic (blue shorts green arm bands) all have scuff marks.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2014 20:43:07 GMT -5
For at least 20 plus years most toy companies put all of the display figures loose in boxes or plastic tubs to transport them to the shows. They get scuffed up from time to time and parts even sometimes fall off or get lost. It's very common and in no way reflects the quality of the final product.
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Post by fallbrawl on Oct 4, 2014 20:53:10 GMT -5
Looks like my wallet will be empty again.
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Post by Joe/Smurf on Oct 4, 2014 21:29:15 GMT -5
Dudes... everybody needs to chill. No matter what anybody says, Milincolin is going to be stuck with his opinion and prefer Jakks to Mattel. That's fine. But the same to you dude... You're allowed your opinion but you don't need to come back at everyone who differs in opinion. Everybody needs to just let it go.
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Post by Halloween King on Oct 4, 2014 22:34:23 GMT -5
Dudes... everybody needs to chill. No matter what anybody says, Milincolin is going to be stuck with his opinion and prefer Jakks to Mattel. That's fine. But the same to you dude... You're allowed your opinion but you don't need to come back at everyone who differs in opinion. Everybody needs to just let it go. Scuffs have nothing to do with me liking Jakks figures over Mattels. Just answer me a question. If you sat down at a restaurant and ordered a drink and the glass had those same dark spots on them, would you drink your drink or would you ask for a clean glass? It's just me wanting a clean glass/properly painted figure.
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Post by Joe/Smurf on Oct 4, 2014 23:15:33 GMT -5
Dudes... everybody needs to chill. No matter what anybody says, Milincolin is going to be stuck with his opinion and prefer Jakks to Mattel. That's fine. But the same to you dude... You're allowed your opinion but you don't need to come back at everyone who differs in opinion. Everybody needs to just let it go. Scuffs have nothing to do with me liking Jakks figures over Mattels. Just answer me a question. If you sat down at a restaurant and ordered a drink and the glass had those same dark spots on them, would you drink your drink or would you ask for a clean glass? It's just me wanting a clean glass/properly painted figure. Yes, but because you prefer Jakks to Mattel, you nitpick things. You always have. How you can think this is such a big deal is beyond me, but again, to each their own. Like I said, it's not worth arguing over.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2014 23:18:24 GMT -5
Im relaxed. Im just amazed that im the only one that cares about standards on here. These figures were not mass packaged and shipped to stores, these were taken by some kind of exec or sales rep and put on display at a major convention in a Major USA city. I know when people do conventions they want the best possible product sample to display for the public. So I see these scuffed figures and my understanding is that with all those scuffs those were the best examples of those figures Mattel could find? I remember one time I delivered bread to a bakery convention here in Chicago. I remember they refused several boxes just because the boxes had smudged ink on the labels. I remember I had to do another trip and get better looking boxes, mind you the bread was fine it was just the smeared ink on the box labels. That's what I call having standards and pride in what you are presenting to the customers. I see im in the minority here though as far as having wanted to see quality products on display at this convention. these are PROTOS, not the finished product, Protos are supposed to look better. They should be made with special attention because... they are. This is the only line I've ever collected where the protos looks worse than the finished product.
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Post by Roman Bellic on Oct 4, 2014 23:27:01 GMT -5
these are PROTOS, not the finished product, Protos are supposed to look better. They should be made with special attention because... they are. This is the only line I've ever collected where the protos looks worse than the finished product. do you even know what the definition of the word "Prototype" is? Prototype is a general consensus of what it is going to be, don't like it; don't collect it it's as simple as that
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Post by Bandalero on Oct 4, 2014 23:29:37 GMT -5
Scuffs have nothing to do with me liking Jakks figures over Mattels. Just answer me a question. If you sat down at a restaurant and ordered a drink and the glass had those same dark spots on them, would you drink your drink or would you ask for a clean glass? It's just me wanting a clean glass/properly painted figure. Yes, but because you prefer Jakks to Mattel, you nitpick things. You always have. How you can think this is such a big deal is beyond me, but again, to each their own. Like I said, it's not worth arguing over. Completely agree. At first I used to try to find some kind of merit in Milicoln's posts, I think he's even a part-time indy wrestler or something. But lately it's become so blatantly obvious that this Jakks-lover will nitpick at absolutely everything yet turn around and secretly buy Mattel's products. I take all his posts with a grain of salt.
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Post by Mox on Oct 4, 2014 23:37:03 GMT -5
Im relaxed. Im just amazed that im the only one that cares about standards on here. These figures were not mass packaged and shipped to stores, these were taken by some kind of exec or sales rep and put on display at a major convention in a Major USA city. I know when people do conventions they want the best possible product sample to display for the public. So I see these scuffed figures and my understanding is that with all those scuffs those were the best examples of those figures Mattel could find? I remember one time I delivered bread to a bakery convention here in Chicago. I remember they refused several boxes just because the boxes had smudged ink on the labels. I remember I had to do another trip and get better looking boxes, mind you the bread was fine it was just the smeared ink on the box labels. That's what I call having standards and pride in what you are presenting to the customers. I see im in the minority here though as far as having wanted to see quality products on display at this convention. I agree with you that it looks bad. Scuffs happen, but it's the laziness that's really frustrating. I mean, really. Shine 'em up a bit before putting them out. Is that hard?
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Post by Duck Holliday on Oct 5, 2014 0:24:01 GMT -5
Hyped on Brie and Alicia. I am mega stoked for that Bluetista which really surprises me. Also, anyone else thing that new Ambrose scan looks deforemed? Looks like he took a bat to the orbital lobe and then refused reconstructive surgery. From the other thread.... Anyhow I'm also looking forward to that Slaughter and Kane.
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Post by Halloween King on Oct 5, 2014 0:58:14 GMT -5
Scuffs have nothing to do with me liking Jakks figures over Mattels. Just answer me a question. If you sat down at a restaurant and ordered a drink and the glass had those same dark spots on them, would you drink your drink or would you ask for a clean glass? It's just me wanting a clean glass/properly painted figure. Yes, but because you prefer Jakks to Mattel, you nitpick things. You always have. How you can think this is such a big deal is beyond me, but again, to each their own. Like I said, it's not worth arguing over. Again my friend, I do not know why you bring Jakks into the mix here. You answered yes to returning the dirty glass and asking for a clean one? I nit pick because up until recently Mattel was the biggest toy manufacture in the world, Legos just past them up. So I expect a big company to be on top of their game. I look at my wrestling figures and I notice that a number of my Mattel figures have scuff marks or paint smudges. Im talking about brand new figures I purchased in store. None of my Jakks figures have scuff marks on them, unless I bought them at a garage sale or flea market. None of my Hasbro figures had scuff marks when I bought them new. None of my LJN figures had scuff marks. None of my Remcos had scuff marks. I just can not understand that you all are so accepting of these defects on Mattels. Friday I purchased LOD at TRU. My Animal figure has scuff marks on his back, on his abdomen, and the paint above his eyebrow is chipped. On top of which his beard is not painted properly. That's 4 defects on a brand new figure, in no other business can you present customers with defective products and yet no one seems to mind. I do mind. Some day someone will look at my Animal figure, see scuff marks, see chipped paint on the face and think it got that way due to play.
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Post by tyco84 on Oct 5, 2014 2:35:30 GMT -5
Mattel stated in the other official ringside fest page that these were pre-production samples, so they are not the same figures you'll see in the toy aisles. These are probably some of the sample figures made in their manufacturing facility and sent to the States.
Now granted, if they made 10 Ric Flair basics, they should've sent the one without the scuff marks, but they do the best the can with what they have. Mattel Bill is probably just as upset as everybody else here
Here's a tip for buying wrestling figures: Do a close inspection of the figure...if you see scuff marks or paint blotches on the face or the front of the body, DO NOT BUY THAT FIGURE!! Look on the shelf for multiples of that figure and buy the best one. If they have 3 or 4 that are all blotchy, dont buy it. Wait for a re-stock and check them out again.
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