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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2014 19:29:37 GMT -5
Pretty excited to have Jason Hammel back. I was a fan the first time around and he's a consistent spot in the middle of the rotation who can eat up innings. I'd love to have Samardzija back too pending cost after next season. That's neither here nor there at this point but Shark is one of my favorite pitchers ever. Hammel is pretty club friendly with that 3rd year option. The Cubs still need a Lester caliber starter, and they have plenty of money for Lester and more, but it feels like the entire competitiveness of next season is riding on that single move to secure an ace, whether it come via free agency or trade. So I'm starting to get fan anxiety about the next 24 hours and Lester's decision. Chris Bosio is the man. That is all.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Dec 9, 2014 10:26:42 GMT -5
Eh, losing Robertson has made me less excited about Andrew Miller, becuase essentially, we are in the same boat we were in last year. Instead of Robertson closing and Betances handeling the set up duties, I would presume now it's going to be Miller closing and Betances still handeling the set up duties.
I really would have loved to have that three headed monster of Robertson, Betances and Miller, because Betances can't pitch every day, so it really would have been nice to not have to piece it together on days when the closer and the set up man have pitched 2-3 days in a row.
But the Yankees like to make things difficult for themselves, so I'm not really shocked that they let a home grown player slip away. And if the Yankees don't sign Jon Lester I'm going to put my head through a window. He's got no draft pick tired to him. If they think that they can make the Playoffs by simply bringing back Brandon McCarthy and trying to get one more year out of Hiroki Kuroda, they are sadly mistaken.
Kuroda is old and runs out of gas at the end of every season and McCarthy could end up being 2015's Aarron Small. Add that to the fact that CC Sabathia sucks, Tanaka's arm is going to explode at some point, and Nova won't be back until like June.....AND the Yankees still have not made any attempts to acquire a hitter even though they scored NO RUNS last year.......I'm not liking this team on paper.
All they did was get a mentally fragile kid to play shortstop who hits about as mediocre as Derek Jeter, and a reliever that's proabably a wash with Robertson. That's not an improvement, that's lateral movement.
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Post by Chip on Dec 9, 2014 15:54:38 GMT -5
4 years/$46 million for Robertson and you couldnt beat that? ?? you Yankees YOU im so ing pissed off right now
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Post by bad guy™ on Dec 9, 2014 15:56:02 GMT -5
Pirates sign Liriano 3 year/$39 Million.
FINALLY.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2014 17:09:04 GMT -5
Cubs have Montero now, Castillo is probably out the door. Olney reports the Tigers though are focusing on keeping Scherzer, if they do I'll incredibly happen.
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Post by punksnotdead on Dec 9, 2014 17:20:22 GMT -5
Holy crap is sh*t seemingly getting crazy. Montero trade finalizes. Cubs are shopping Welly. They are meeting with David Ross tonight. In other words, we want Lester and we're bringing his catcher with him. ZOMG... Montero is a pretty nice upgrade over Welly though, I don't want to undersell that move. Low ball prospects with upside are expendable imo to make the team better now. You can't horde prospects forever either. The Cubs are willing to spend money right now too to protect the golden 10.
Shark going to the Sox is a heartbreaker from a personal standpoint. They are never going to be able to sign him longterm though. At best, they have a trade chip come deadline time, but seems nonsensical. I know that division is really weak but the Sox are pretenders imo. I know they have one perfect centerpiece but the rest is junk and their farm cupboards are empty.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2014 22:28:12 GMT -5
Holy crap is sh*t seemingly getting crazy. Montero trade finalizes. Cubs are shopping Welly. They are meeting with David Ross tonight. In other words, we want Lester and we're bringing his catcher with him. ZOMG... Montero is a pretty nice upgrade over Welly though, I don't want to undersell that move. Low ball prospects with upside are expendable imo to make the team better now. You can't horde prospects forever either. The Cubs are willing to spend money right now too to protect the golden 10. Shark going to the Sox is a heartbreaker from a personal standpoint. They are never going to be able to sign him longterm though. At best, they have a trade chip come deadline time, but seems nonsensical. I know that division is really weak but the Sox are pretenders imo. I know they have one perfect centerpiece but the rest is junk and their farm cupboards are empty. Division is weak but it's so wide open at this point the only team that I think won't have a chance to win it is Minnesota, which doesn't matter because they'll beat Detroit three out of four times again like always. (Sigh). But Cubs, David Ross would be an awesome back up catcher signing if they deal Castillo.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Dec 10, 2014 9:28:17 GMT -5
I don't understand Jon Lester going to the Cubs. Of the teams that were bidding for him, Red Sox, Giants, Dodgers and Cubs....the Cubs probably present him the LEAST amount of opportunity to win.
If my options were Red Sox or Cubs, and the difference was only $20 million.....I'd go to the Red Sox, no brainer. Lester has already made over $43 million dollars in base salary alone....and the Red Sox are rumored to have offered him a contract worth $135 million dollars. It's literally a $3 million dollar a year difference. To a star baseball player, not really a big deal.
I mean, whatever, enjoy the extra $20 mill, but he'll be playing a lot of meaningless baseball.
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Post by punksnotdead on Dec 10, 2014 10:43:17 GMT -5
This was the chain reaction move. Signing Lester was the difference between ending the rebuild now or waiting until next year's pitching FA frenzy. They are 1000% not done either. They're chasing a big bat and another starting pitcher according to rumors. Add that with the best farm system in baseball, half of which are ready to make the major league roster, and the future is so bright I gotta wear shades. Lester didn't even have to get the 7th year, which is awesome. He had the highest value to the Cubs as the centerpiece of the rotation and he's worth every penny imo. I do think they are pursuing Shields, or possibly McCarthy. I'm at odds over it because there will be better pitchers available come the deadline or free agency next year but it's hard to argue with wanting to win now after patiently watching them suck for the last 5 years to get to this point. I'm expecting more of a splash with the big bat, I've heard Longoria's name floated already, and a more marginal move to the rotation to leave space for a guy like David Price next year. I guess we'll see. They have the prospect chips to do just about anything they want right now, but it just needs to stick to the plan.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Dec 10, 2014 11:51:17 GMT -5
The Cubs offer was much better than anywhere else:
More money Vesting Option for a 7th year Full no trade 30 million bonus
I mean he wasnt coming back to Boston, he took the best offer out there. It is what it is unfortunately.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Dec 10, 2014 11:56:55 GMT -5
Yeah I just learned about the $30 million dollar signing bonus.....holy crap. So he's really getting #30 million a year for 6 years, because the signing bonus is to be paid over the life of the contract.
$185 million dollars total....yeah, he pretty much had to take it
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Dec 10, 2014 13:22:28 GMT -5
I wanted him back, I woulda gone 7, I woulda done no trade but I dunno 30 a year for a pitcher who wasnt great in 12 and half of 2013? Totally understand why the Sox were iffy on him but I woulda made a stronger offer before the year and got him.
Sox need to make moves, a few of them and fast.
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Post by punksnotdead on Dec 10, 2014 13:47:46 GMT -5
The Cubs offer was much better than anywhere else: More money Vesting Option for a 7th year Full no trade 30 million bonus I mean he wasnt coming back to Boston, he took the best offer out there. It is what it is unfortunately. The Sox offer him 6 years at $120m in April, he never leaves the organization. That's really the sucky part for Sox fans imo. Also though, the Sox are probably the heavy favorite to trade for Cole Hamels now. So that to me is the absolute best runner-up prize an organization can ask for if they can get it done.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Dec 10, 2014 16:45:54 GMT -5
Yup, Sox get into the ballpark in April they resign Lester but according to Ben Cherington, after the initial lowball offer the Sox tried to renegotiate and Lester didnt want to. I mean the first offer was a joke, but thats business.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Dec 10, 2014 23:34:49 GMT -5
Dee Gordon goes to the Marlins Andrew Heaney goes to the Dodgers Wade Miley goes to the Sox Brandon MCCarthy signs with the Dodgers
All kinds of moves!
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Post by Chip on Dec 11, 2014 0:32:47 GMT -5
damn it. i really wanted the Yankees to sign McCarthy
they are gonna regret this crap in May/June when CC sucks again, Tanaka's elbow ligament has snapped and Kuroda's 3 months into retirement
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Post by ✖ AJ on Dec 11, 2014 7:06:34 GMT -5
Yeah, I wanted McCarthy back. But, if the Dodgers want to sign him to a four-year deal to a division he was tragic in, good riddance.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Dec 11, 2014 7:44:09 GMT -5
damn it. i really wanted the Yankees to sign McCarthy they are gonna regret this crap in May/June when CC sucks again, Tanaka's elbow ligament has snapped and Kuroda's 3 months into retirement I wanted McCarthy too,....but NOT for 4 years. He's missed significant time with stress fractures in his shoulder almost every season of his career so far except for last year. I think it's clear that the market is shot if guys like Liriano and McCarthy are getting 3-4 year deals. Lester got an insane deal, and so will Scherzer. The Yankees are paying the price with contracts of guys like CC, Teixeria, and they will regret Ellsbury and Tanaka soon as well. The Yankees spend big money on huge contracts most years, and it never amounts to dick. They need to play some Baltimore Orioles, Tampa Bay Rays, Kansas City Royals and San Fransisco Giants baseball.....retool from your own system. It make take a few years, but it sets you up nicely for a lot of years once you get out of the hole. If I was the Yankees, I would do what the Red Sox did 2 years ago,,....try and get out from under all of those contracts and make some low risk moves from guys that are coming off of down years and hope they snap back. Sabathia is done. Nova is out until June at least. Pineda has missed the whole year essentially the last 3 years. Tanaka's arm is going to explode at some point. Honestly, the Yankees have so many problems that signing one guy like a Lester or a Scherzer would have been a waste anyway because he can only pitch once every 5 days anyway. I'd honestly just sign back Kuroda to a 1-year deal if he's interested and be ready to put guys like Phelps, Warren, and Whitley back in the rotation when the regulars drop like flies again. Maybe Capuano will be willing to come back on a one year deal? Despite the Yankees pitching injuries last year, their problem last year was that they scored no runs, and they've done nothing to address that, other than to replace Derek Jeter with a mentally fragile player who hits the same as Jeter at the tail end of his career. At this point, depending on what Headly wants, I might not even bring him back. He's got a history of injuries and wasn't playing well before we got him either. Just like McCarthy, I think what you saw out of Headly was a major over performance. You sign them to long term deals and they come back down to earth and then you're screwed. I think the Yankees really just need to sh*t can the whole operation and finish in last place for like 8 years and collect draft picks and try and rebuild their system. Maybe then we'll be able to develop a player like Longoria, Shields, Price, Moore, Cobb and Hellickson every year like the Rays have done in recent history. Except for 2009, throwing money at the problem hasn't panned out for the last 14 years. It's time to try and new approach. We need to develop the next Jeter's, Posada's, Rivera's, Pettitte's and Bernie's.....and we aren't going to do that by spending a fortune on other teams declining players and losing our picks. It's going to suck for a while, but the core of this team has gone rotten. Teixeira is a vagina who can't stay healthy and stubbornly tries to hit through the shift when he is healthy. .220 hitter now at best. McCann and Ellsbury were NOT clutch last year at all. Gardner put up career numbers that were probably an overperformance just like Ellsbury in 2011 I think it was. Neither of them will ever be that good again probably. Beltran is going to get some type of injury. Didi Gregorious is described as being an awesome fielder, but mentally fragile and probably won't be able to handle New York. Hits like Jeter the last few years. Not a good thing. Not sure what to expect out of Prado, might play second, might play 3rd. A-Rod is back, so that's just a negatve all together. Betances is awesome, and Miller will probably be ok, even though both of them only have 1 save each in their lives I think I read. But yeah...this year is going to be a disaster for the Yankees it looks like, so I wouldn't even waste time, money or effort to try and sign one big person. One person is not going to solve all these issues and the Yankees clearly don't want to spend, and should not spend because that formula doesn't work anymore. We need to develop homegrown players and then let them walk and rebuild just like every other team does these days.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Dec 11, 2014 11:30:44 GMT -5
My ing head is spinning, i need to go get tacos!
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Post by ICW on Dec 11, 2014 12:29:03 GMT -5
Sox rotation is better but still average. Masterson could be a nice addition. Miley is a decent mid-rotation guy, Porcello will be good.
Still, that Lester trade might go down as one of the worst ever.
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