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Post by slappy on Mar 23, 2015 18:35:13 GMT -5
Santorum is most likely running. Rand Paul is announcing his candidacy on April 7. There are a bunch of other Republicans that are most likely running that you haven't mentioned. Carly Fiorina, Ben Carson and Mike Huckabee to name a few. Jim Webb is looking to run but he was the Senator of Virginia. Only reason I said no to Santorum is because I actually get to hear a little bit from him now and then living in the home state. Unlike other candidates who have said no and aren't believable, Santorum's got a lot on his shoulders. He's a radical who would have to appear to be less radical than Cruz and put up one of the great political fights against the juggernaut that is Jeb Bush, and the cult of personality figure in Christie. I can't see Santorum slaying those three beasts. And I think he knows it. And Paul is gonna run? I quit this country. I figured Santorum would think that he came close last time and Romney isn't in his way this time so he has a chance. I'll be happy if he doesn't run. I don't think Paul has a chance.
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Post by bad guy™ on Mar 23, 2015 18:36:45 GMT -5
I wonder if Kliquid will return to campaign for another Paul? Not sure how big a fan Nick is of Rand. Admittedly Rand won his seat on name, but his politics aren't exactly mirroring those of his father. Ron is Libertarian borderline Anarchist party, Rand is firmly Tea Party with the ability to appeal to the GOP.
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Post by bad guy™ on Mar 23, 2015 18:38:09 GMT -5
Only reason I said no to Santorum is because I actually get to hear a little bit from him now and then living in the home state. Unlike other candidates who have said no and aren't believable, Santorum's got a lot on his shoulders. He's a radical who would have to appear to be less radical than Cruz and put up one of the great political fights against the juggernaut that is Jeb Bush, and the cult of personality figure in Christie. I can't see Santorum slaying those three beasts. And I think he knows it. And Paul is gonna run? I quit this country. I figured Santorum would think that he came close last time and Romney isn't in his way this time so he has a chance. I'll be happy if he doesn't run. I don't think Paul has a chance. He couldn't beat Mitt Romney. He'll never beat a Bush.
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Post by slappy on Mar 23, 2015 18:38:54 GMT -5
O'Malley can pull a Jimmy Carter. Unknown Governor that gets the nomination. I'm iffy on Christie running especially all the problems he's had. He might run but I don't think he gets far. They are saying that she's making no moves to run including not hiring anyone. Carter wouldn't get elected today. Carter probably wouldn't even win a primary today. Carter won the primary legitimately but beat Ford because, well, Ford. You already know where I'm going there. Warren's not forming groups/working with PACs because she doesn't have to yet. She won't run if Hillary does for the betterment of the party, but if Hillary doesn't, she's got something going for her. I call your Jimmy Carter effect and raise you a more plausible Adlai Stevenson effect. Unless Jon Huntsman surprisingly runs and gets the Republican nomination, I'm voting for whoever the Democratic nominee is. A short, good Carter/O'Malley read
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Post by bad guy™ on Mar 23, 2015 18:43:17 GMT -5
Carter wouldn't get elected today. Carter probably wouldn't even win a primary today. Carter won the primary legitimately but beat Ford because, well, Ford. You already know where I'm going there. Warren's not forming groups/working with PACs because she doesn't have to yet. She won't run if Hillary does for the betterment of the party, but if Hillary doesn't, she's got something going for her. I call your Jimmy Carter effect and raise you a more plausible Adlai Stevenson effect. Unless Jon Huntsman surprisingly runs and gets the Republican nomination, I'm voting for whoever the Democratic nominee is. A short, good Carter/O'Malley readI legitimately like Huntsman. Still likely to vote democrat, but I wouldn't say the U.S. is going to hell if Huntsman wins the Presidency unlike...others.
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Post by TheNinthCloud on Mar 23, 2015 20:18:56 GMT -5
Cruz is the man who is largely responsible for the government shut down that almost drove our economic legitimacy as a nation into the ground. This is one of the big killers. He can run all he wants, all he's doing is playing a spoiler role.
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Post by Nivro™ on Mar 23, 2015 20:25:01 GMT -5
Left wing or right wing...doesnt matter...We're all screwed either way you go. Just leave me and my peanut butter alone and let me live and die in peace.
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Post by theMOESIAH on Mar 23, 2015 22:29:45 GMT -5
I'm surprised this hasn't broken out into a flame war.
I really don't see any Republican winning the election. They haven't been doing too well in recent elections that people actually bother showing up to. And they will show up to a presidential election.
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Post by bad guy™ on Mar 23, 2015 22:54:13 GMT -5
I'm surprised this hasn't broken out into a flame war. I really don't see any Republican winning the election. They haven't been doing too well in recent elections that people actually bother showing up to. And they will show up to a presidential election. It isn't a flame war, yet anyways, because: A) As far as I know I don't think there are a ton of people who love politics on this site. I'm surprised this thread's gotten much attention considering in the end this IS a wrestling site. B) The biggest arguments for now that you'll get are likely me and Slappy going at it since Kliq isn't around to fight us with his total opposite opinion from me and Slaps. Not saying he's wrong or we're right, just that the polar opposites haven't shown up. Yet, anyways. C) I'm pretty sure everyone hates Ted Cruz. It's a mutual feeling in our little brain trust. And as for the Republicans not doing well, that's not true at all. They control the House and the Senate. Of the districts, the majority of the districts are Republican. A majority of the states are Republican. It just so happens that Florida, New York, Pennsylvania and California happen to have MASSIVE populations, and are heavily Democratic. If a Democratic presidential candidate loses one of those four states (since they'll never win Texas) the Dem won't win the Presidency. Electoral College at its finest, ladies and gentlemen.
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Post by Ben - #6 Munchie on Mar 23, 2015 23:07:23 GMT -5
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Post by T R W on Mar 23, 2015 23:10:48 GMT -5
I swear if it ends up being Hillary vs. Cruz I will beat myself to death with a carrot. Ugh. I honestly can't think of a single Republican or Democrat yet that I would actually support.
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Post by Darkhawk on Mar 24, 2015 0:44:29 GMT -5
I honestly would take anybody over a person from the Bush family.
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Post by CM Poor on Mar 24, 2015 7:20:11 GMT -5
Carter wouldn't get elected today. Carter probably wouldn't even win a primary today. Carter won the primary legitimately but beat Ford because, well, Ford. You already know where I'm going there. Warren's not forming groups/working with PACs because she doesn't have to yet. She won't run if Hillary does for the betterment of the party, but if Hillary doesn't, she's got something going for her. I call your Jimmy Carter effect and raise you a more plausible Adlai Stevenson effect. Unless Jon Huntsman surprisingly runs and gets the Republican nomination, I'm voting for whoever the Democratic nominee is. A short, good Carter/O'Malley readI've voted Huntsman or written him in on every ballot since his name came across my radar, and I'll probably do the same this go around, since he won't get the nod, and nobody worthwhile on either side will.
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Post by 0,Y on Mar 24, 2015 7:22:03 GMT -5
I highly doubt he has a real chance of becoming President. And we all should be thankful for that.
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Post by CM Poor on Mar 24, 2015 7:24:22 GMT -5
I honestly would take anybody over a person from the Bush family. I'm no political scholar, but I'd place a low stakes bet on George Prescott (Jeb's son) being one of their next big players.
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Post by theMOESIAH on Mar 24, 2015 7:28:14 GMT -5
And as for the Republicans not doing well, that's not true at all. They control the House and the Senate. Of the districts, the majority of the districts are Republican. A majority of the states are Republican. It just so happens that Florida, New York, Pennsylvania and California happen to have MASSIVE populations, and are heavily Democratic. If a Democratic presidential candidate loses one of those four states (since they'll never win Texas) the Dem won't win the Presidency. Electoral College at its finest, ladies and gentlemen. This last midterm election had the lowest turnout rate since WWII. That's why I said that they haven't been doing well in elections that people actually show up to. And despite that, there were far more votes cast for Democratic candidates than Republican ones. If this country were still anything resembling a democracy, this redistricting crap wouldn't fly. The modern day Republican party has such an irrational fear of socialism (which they can't seem to differentiate from communism and a dictatorship, all three of which are different) that they've blinded themselves to seeing the fascists they've become. The rich are completely in control. America is now an oligarchy. Case in point: There was a teenager in Texas who drove drunk and MURDERED FOUR PEOPLE. His defense in court was "affluenza." That is the fictional affliction where he doesn't know right from wrong because his rich parents didn't teach him boundaries. He was sentenced to rehab. I know this isn't a story about political power, but it's indicative of what's going on all over this country, in and out of government. Plus, it just makes my blood boil.
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Post by Colter on Mar 24, 2015 7:31:36 GMT -5
Oh sweet God, no.
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Post by Halloween King on Mar 24, 2015 10:19:50 GMT -5
OBummer
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Post by bad guy™ on Mar 24, 2015 10:37:17 GMT -5
And as for the Republicans not doing well, that's not true at all. They control the House and the Senate. Of the districts, the majority of the districts are Republican. A majority of the states are Republican. It just so happens that Florida, New York, Pennsylvania and California happen to have MASSIVE populations, and are heavily Democratic. If a Democratic presidential candidate loses one of those four states (since they'll never win Texas) the Dem won't win the Presidency. Electoral College at its finest, ladies and gentlemen. This last midterm election had the lowest turnout rate since WWII. That's why I said that they haven't been doing well in elections that people actually show up to. And despite that, there were far more votes cast for Democratic candidates than Republican ones. If this country were still anything resembling a democracy, this redistricting crap wouldn't fly. The modern day Republican party has such an irrational fear of socialism (which they can't seem to differentiate from communism and a dictatorship, all three of which are different) that they've blinded themselves to seeing the fascists they've become. The rich are completely in control. America is now an oligarchy. Case in point: There was a teenager in Texas who drove drunk and MURDERED FOUR PEOPLE. His defense in court was "affluenza." That is the fictional affliction where he doesn't know right from wrong because his rich parents didn't teach him boundaries. He was sentenced to rehab. I know this isn't a story about political power, but it's indicative of what's going on all over this country, in and out of government. Plus, it just makes my blood boil. I think there are more Democrats than Republicans in America, but the majority are located within massive cities. There's a joke that PA is Pittsburgh and Philly with Alabama in between. But the population of Pittsburgh and Philly combined is larger than the rest of the state combined, which is how we have so much Democrat everything here other than one U.S. Senator (Toomey) who is likely to get crushed next year. And I agree with the oligarchy comment.bI'm also all for the elimination of Citizens United, which prevents caps on how much money can be donated to a candidate, meaning the Kochs, Warren Buffetts (happens in both parties so I'll present both to be correct). Go read Bernie Sanders' stuff if you're a believer in stuff like that. He's sort of the Ron Paul of the Democratic Party. Too extreme to ever get elected at large, but is loud enough to get people to think.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Mar 24, 2015 10:41:38 GMT -5
It doesn't matter who runs, they're all worthless lying scumbags.
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