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Post by Tim of thee on Mar 25, 2015 17:09:19 GMT -5
I still think he has a better chance than you're giving credit for. I don't see any of the others as the guy. He is probably the only guy I would vote republican for. Until the democrats change their stances on taxes, gun rights, and entitlements I will probably vote third party or republican (given that the republican candidate is one I approve of). I wish I had noticed this before I responded to this post the first things. There's A LOT of misinformation in this one sentence. 1. There have been studies on the ways Republicans want to tax Americans. It doesn't work. There has never been a country that has tried it successfully. Why? Because it doesn't work. The Republicans tried it in the 80's and it failed. They might have tried it during Sr. Bush's one term, I honestly can't remember. And they tried it again during the eight years of failure that was the George W. Bush administration and it failed. Must recently Kansas state tried it and it failed. Why? Because it doesn't work. Meanwhile, higher taxation on the rich had been proven to work. During the most prosperous times in American history, the ultra rich were taxed at 90%. And it worked. Do you know what happens to the richest people in America even they pay higher taxes? They're still the richest people in America. Oh yeah, and everyone else in the country has better lives. 2. NO. ONE. IS. COMING. TO. TAKE. YOUR. GUNS. AWAY. 3. The average American household pays an average of $22 annually for so-called entitlements. That Dave average American family pays almost $10,000 annually for corporate welfare.* I'll never understand why so many people think it's evil to take support away from the period who need it the most -- the working poor who have been demonized for just trying to feed their families -- but they have no problem giving money had over fist to those who don't need it. It makes no sense. It's as if every conservative (or conservative-leaning independent, which I think is the case here) has just decided to disregard the very basics of economics. *I got that figure from Pete Dominick, the host of SiriusXM's StandUP with Pete Dominick. I'll try to dig up a more verifiable source later. You and I have completely different philosophical viewpoints on politics, but number two is absolutely and entirely incorrect. I don't want to engage in a discussion about our differences because it won't end up anywhere. I am for small government and you don't mind a large one.
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Post by Word™ on Mar 25, 2015 17:31:14 GMT -5
I just won't vote at all.
Someone said to me "do you really wanna look back in 40 years and know you didn't vote for the first black president?".
I said.. "Yes I do, I'm a part of the problem.. My problem is I'm peaceful."
Gaza Strip was getting bombed, Obama didn't say sh*t. That's why I ain't vote for him, next one either....And I believe in the people..
Such a FIASCO.
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Post by theMOESIAH on Mar 25, 2015 18:00:29 GMT -5
I wish I had noticed this before I responded to this post the first things. There's A LOT of misinformation in this one sentence. 1. There have been studies on the ways Republicans want to tax Americans. It doesn't work. There has never been a country that has tried it successfully. Why? Because it doesn't work. The Republicans tried it in the 80's and it failed. They might have tried it during Sr. Bush's one term, I honestly can't remember. And they tried it again during the eight years of failure that was the George W. Bush administration and it failed. Must recently Kansas state tried it and it failed. Why? Because it doesn't work. Meanwhile, higher taxation on the rich had been proven to work. During the most prosperous times in American history, the ultra rich were taxed at 90%. And it worked. Do you know what happens to the richest people in America even they pay higher taxes? They're still the richest people in America. Oh yeah, and everyone else in the country has better lives. 2. NO. ONE. IS. COMING. TO. TAKE. YOUR. GUNS. AWAY. 3. The average American household pays an average of $22 annually for so-called entitlements. That Dave average American family pays almost $10,000 annually for corporate welfare.* I'll never understand why so many people think it's evil to take support away from the period who need it the most -- the working poor who have been demonized for just trying to feed their families -- but they have no problem giving money had over fist to those who don't need it. It makes no sense. It's as if every conservative (or conservative-leaning independent, which I think is the case here) has just decided to disregard the very basics of economics. *I got that figure from Pete Dominick, the host of SiriusXM's StandUP with Pete Dominick. I'll try to dig up a more verifiable source later. You and I have completely different philosophical viewpoints on politics, but number two is absolutely and entirely incorrect. I don't want to engage in a discussion about our differences because it won't end up anywhere. I am for small government and you don't mind a large one. If you you don't want to discuss our political differences, that's fine but facts are facts and #2 was absolutely correct. The only thing the Democrats have gone after are automatic weapons, large capacity magazines and the like. Gun enthusiasts have been saying that big government is coming to trade their guns away for decades year your gun rights and acres to them remains virtually unchanged. The gun lobby is one of the most powerful in Washington, so what's the problem. No one wants bigger government than Republicans. Bush and Cheney took unprecedented power during their two terms, the Patriot Act (which essentially canceled out the Bill of Rights), spending billions on military equipment that will never get used, their endless perpetual war machine, telling people whom they can and cannot marry, telling women what they can and cannot do with their bodies, their incessant attempts to force Christianity on everyone while discriminating against all other religions AND crying about how their religious rights are being violated (by no one), Terri Schavio, their refusal to let abortion go, mass incarceration in their for-profit prisons, dictating what children are taught in schools (whether it's the biblical stuff that doesn't belong in public schools or whitewashing the unpleasant parts of American history), the bashing if Obama's stimulus package while quietly asking for their share of it... What about this sound like small government to you? Just to be clear, I'm not angry and san but trying to turn this into a fight. It could very easily go that way so I just way to be clear about my point of view here.
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Post by Tim of thee on Mar 25, 2015 18:37:35 GMT -5
You and I have completely different philosophical viewpoints on politics, but number two is absolutely and entirely incorrect. I don't want to engage in a discussion about our differences because it won't end up anywhere. I am for small government and you don't mind a large one. If you you don't want to discuss our political differences, that's fine but facts are facts and #2 was absolutely correct. The only thing the Democrats have gone after are automatic weapons, large capacity magazines and the like. Gun enthusiasts have been saying that big government is coming to trade their guns away for decades year your gun rights and acres to them remains virtually unchanged. The gun lobby is one of the most powerful in Washington, so what's the problem They aren't coming for the second amendment except when they are? I see all of those as attacks on my natural rights. I see the gun lobby as a necessary entity, preserving these natural rights. But you don't see it the same way I do and there's nothing I can say that will change your mind and vice versa. Like I said, we have vastly different ideologies (I'm not a republican for the record). I'm sure we agree on a few things such as marriage equality, abortion rights, and drug legalization but we simply disagree about the civics.
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Post by theMOESIAH on Mar 25, 2015 19:37:47 GMT -5
If you you don't want to discuss our political differences, that's fine but facts are facts and #2 was absolutely correct. The only thing the Democrats have gone after are automatic weapons, large capacity magazines and the like. Gun enthusiasts have been saying that big government is coming to trade their guns away for decades year your gun rights and acres to them remains virtually unchanged. The gun lobby is one of the most powerful in Washington, so what's the problem They aren't coming for the second amendment except when they are? I see all of those as attacks on my natural rights. I see the gun lobby as a necessary entity, preserving these natural rights. But you don't see it the same way I do and there's nothing I can say that will change your mind and vice versa. Like I said, we have vastly different ideologies (I'm not a republican for the record). I'm sure we agree on a few things such as marriage equality, abortion rights, and drug legalization but we simply disagree about the civics. Fair enough. Moving on then.
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Post by cripplercrossface on Mar 28, 2015 16:44:01 GMT -5
Hopefully people are smarted these day then back in 2000 and 2004 elections and not vote for this crazy .
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Post by theMOESIAH on Mar 29, 2015 15:00:42 GMT -5
Hopefully people are smarted these day then back in 2000 and 2004 elections and not vote for this crazy . Have you my been keeping up with what's been going on? Things have only gotten worse. The crazies are even crazier and they vote in higher percentages than everyone else.
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Post by cripplercrossface on Mar 30, 2015 14:33:44 GMT -5
Hopefully people are smarted these day then back in 2000 and 2004 elections and not vote for this crazy . Have you my been keeping up with what's been going on? Things have only gotten worse. The crazies are even crazier and they vote in higher percentages than everyone else. I know. I'm just saying George Bush and what he did to this country. Congress is full of nut cases trying to appeal Obama care every chance they get when they know it won't happen. Obama has did his absolute best to fix this country after Bush, and people keep on hating on him. Ted Cruz is a waste of life and I honestly doubt he'll win the primary.
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Post by theMOESIAH on Mar 30, 2015 16:52:32 GMT -5
Have you my been keeping up with what's been going on? Things have only gotten worse. The crazies are even crazier and they vote in higher percentages than everyone else. I know. I'm just saying George Bush and what he did to this country. Congress is full of nut cases trying to appeal Obama care every chance they get when they know it won't happen. Obama has did his absolute best to fix this country after Bush, and people keep on hating on him. Ted Cruz is a waste of life and I honestly doubt he'll win the primary. Yeah but the problem is that these people genuinely believe that Obama has made the country worse. They aren't going on facts. The truth means nothing. They only care about their biases.
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Post by cripplercrossface on Mar 30, 2015 17:35:07 GMT -5
Fox News is to blame for that. If a republican is elected president in 2016 I'm leaving this country. and that's that.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2015 14:28:09 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm totally confused about this. He's from Canada. How the hell is he even running? And unlike most, I have liked Obama and will be sad to see him go. All I know is I do NOT want Cruz to win (if he even gets that far?) he's super conservative and hardcore Christian. We don't need another one of them. I'm not overly one way or another but a president shouldn't think with a bible in his hand. idk if someone already responded but i'll reply without looking through the rest of the pages mccain wasn't born on U.S. soil either - but he's still considered an American born CITIZEN because one parent was a U.S. citizen for a specific amount of time during a certain point in time that meets the requirements of the rules (from my understanding) if your parents are U.S. residents and travel to france & have you there....i believe the rules allow you, as a US citizen, to still run for president i could be wrong, but that's what i've been told
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Post by T R W on Apr 1, 2015 14:30:28 GMT -5
Fox News is to blame for that. If a republican is elected president in 2016 I'm leaving this country. and that's that. If I had a nickel for every time I heard someone say that, or a republican say that about a democrat and then not do it I could pay off my house. I hate hyperbole like that. You won't do it. Just like none of them did.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2015 14:38:30 GMT -5
@monoxide23
Article II of the constitution states: "No person except a natural born citizen ... shall be eligible to the Office of President."
The framers of the constitution didn't define "natural born citizen." The phrase was added without any clarifying debate. The Supreme Court has never been asked to definitively settle the issue. And so we are left with a phrase just ambiguous enough to cause controversy.
** possible if Mccain won the election for President, that the Supreme Court would have to rule on him being eligible...or anyone else born outside the U.S. I think if someone has a U.S. citizen for a parent, they let it slide, but it's legally debatable.
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Post by Tim of thee on Apr 1, 2015 17:15:01 GMT -5
Fox News is to blame for that. If a republican is elected president in 2016 I'm leaving this country. and that's that. If I had a nickel for every time I heard someone say that, or a republican say that about a democrat and then not do it I could pay off my house. I hate hyperbole like that. You won't do it. Just like none of them did. Still waiting for Alec Baldwin to turn in his citizenship. It's a statement that's not grounded in reality when you figure the cost of living, job opportunities, visa, ect..
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2015 18:09:43 GMT -5
If I had a nickel for every time I heard someone say that, or a republican say that about a democrat and then not do it I could pay off my house. I hate hyperbole like that. You won't do it. Just like none of them did. Still waiting for Alec Baldwin to turn in his citizenship. It's a statement that's not grounded in reality when you figure the cost of living, job opportunities, visa, ect.. Alec Baldwin & Kanye West should form a tag team
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Post by slappy on Apr 1, 2015 18:10:40 GMT -5
Less than a week until Rand Paul announces.
Less than 2 weeks until Marco Rubio announces.
Hillary is also expected to announce this month.
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Post by johnnyb on Apr 1, 2015 21:02:03 GMT -5
Fox News is to blame for that. If a republican is elected president in 2016 I'm leaving this country. and that's that. I wouldn't get too worried about that. Unless some Republican candidate comes out of nowhere in the next six months, this election is already over.
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Post by theMOESIAH on Apr 1, 2015 21:15:17 GMT -5
Fox News is to blame for that. If a republican is elected president in 2016 I'm leaving this country. and that's that. I wouldn't get too worried about that. Unless some Republican candidate comes out of nowhere in the next six months, this election is already over. So our choice from the Democrats is corporate crony Hillary Clinton and our choices from the Republicans are some of the craziest people America has to offer? .
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Post by Adam on Apr 1, 2015 21:39:35 GMT -5
Can say I'm a fan of Cruz either, what with his leading the government shutdown costing the economy billions, being an opponent of marriage equality and a denier of science. That last one is becoming a deal breaker for me. It's something that I really wrestled with when it came to supporting Ron Paul, but in the end reality should not be a personal choice, especially when it comes to public office (and chairing a science committee).
But more importantly, there's no way Ted Cruz can sell himself as a moderate in the general election.
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Post by slappy on Apr 1, 2015 21:41:42 GMT -5
Can say I'm a fan of Cruz either, what with his leading the government shutdown costing the economy billions, being an opponent of marriage equality and a denier of science. That last one is becoming a deal breaker for me. It's something that I really wrestled with when it came to supporting Ron Paul, but in the end reality should not be a personal choice, especially when it comes to public office (and chairing a science committee). But more importantly, there's no way Ted Cruz can sell himself as a moderate in the general election. Ron Paul supported the government shut down and personally opposes marriage equality.
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