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Post by Wato Stan Account on Aug 22, 2015 11:33:00 GMT -5
Who was really awaiting Greg Valentine's opinion?
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Post by Planktung on Aug 22, 2015 11:34:29 GMT -5
Who gives a about the opinion of a sexist bastard stuck in a past era?
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Post by Nivro™ on Aug 22, 2015 11:34:32 GMT -5
Ive seen 2 ignorant things mentioned in this thread...
1)Greg Valentine thinking women belong in the kitchen barefoot and pregnant
2)People thinking Greg Valentine wasnt a fantastic worker and a draw. Seriously, educate yourself before you speak.
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Post by TheBadGuyChico on Aug 22, 2015 11:58:38 GMT -5
Women in wrestling will never draw money, if they were going to it would happened by now. Noone outside of the IWC is moved by this Divas Revolution, and i dig it myself.
I don't like that he said it had no place, that was too far, but some of the sloppiest matches I've ever seen were matches.
Women's Wrestling has a nice little spot on the card and the women today are solid workers, but don't get mad that a much more important and talented wrestler criticized what has historically been a novelty act.
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Post by Miztery on Aug 22, 2015 12:12:29 GMT -5
Greg Valentine isn't significant enough for anyone to care. Go crawl back under a rock bruh.
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Post by Miztery on Aug 22, 2015 12:14:04 GMT -5
Never mind that he mentioned they have no place in MMA either... You know, the sport that has a woman as one of its top 5 draws... I'd argue Ronda is right up there when it comes to being the top draw. At least that case could be made for it. To me, she is the top draw in UFC at the moment. That will go away over time but she is red hot right now.
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Post by Mr Angry Cena on Aug 22, 2015 12:15:16 GMT -5
I respect Greg Valentine for stating his opinion.
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Post by Wato Stan Account on Aug 22, 2015 12:16:02 GMT -5
Women in wrestling will never draw money, if they were going to it would happened by now. Noone outside of the IWC is moved by this Divas Revolution, and i dig it myself. I don't like that he said it had no place, that was too far, but some of the sloppiest matches I've ever seen were matches. Women's Wrestling has a nice little spot on the card and the women today are solid workers, but don't get mad that a much more important and talented wrestler criticized what has historically been a novelty act. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Brawl_to_End_It_AllShimmer and Shine I believe to roughly 700 people a show on the indies, bigger than a lot of male wrestling companies and more than Greg Valentine surely is these days. Thinking they never can is absolute bullsh*t. They can and could, they have to actually be shown as something to care about. Stupid sexist bullsh*t.
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Post by Planktung on Aug 22, 2015 12:17:14 GMT -5
Women in wrestling will never draw money, if they were going to it would happened by now. Noone outside of the IWC is moved by this Divas Revolution, and i dig it myself. I don't like that he said it had no place, that was too far, but some of the sloppiest matches I've ever seen were matches. Women's Wrestling has a nice little spot on the card and the women today are solid workers, but don't get mad that a much more important and talented wrestler criticized what has historically been a novelty act. People may have said in the past that women's MMA would never draw, and now, the UFC's (arguably) biggest draw is a woman. We don't know what will happen in the future, so it isn't fair to say that women in wrestling will never draw money.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Aug 22, 2015 12:20:00 GMT -5
Women in wrestling will never draw money, if they were going to it would happened by now. Noone outside of the IWC is moved by this Divas Revolution, and i dig it myself. I don't like that he said it had no place, that was too far, but some of the sloppiest matches I've ever seen were matches. Women's Wrestling has a nice little spot on the card and the women today are solid workers, but don't get mad that a much more important and talented wrestler criticized what has historically been a novelty act. I would argue on talent when it comes to certain ladies. As for the drawing power, AJW sold out the Tokyo Dome in 1994 and the women of NXT are right alongside with the men for drawing power. Sasha Banks is just as big a reason for NXT selling out the Barclays Center tonight as Finn Balor, Kevin Owens or Samoa Joe.
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Post by Chief on Aug 22, 2015 12:26:22 GMT -5
People also said women in MMA will never draw money.
All it takes is the right person in the right place.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2015 12:27:06 GMT -5
Greg Valentine has a tiny penis.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Aug 22, 2015 12:28:07 GMT -5
Women in wrestling will never draw money, if they were going to it would happened by now. Noone outside of the IWC is moved by this Divas Revolution, and i dig it myself. I don't like that he said it had no place, that was too far, but some of the sloppiest matches I've ever seen were matches. Women's Wrestling has a nice little spot on the card and the women today are solid workers, but don't get mad that a much more important and talented wrestler criticized what has historically been a novelty act. I would argue on talent when it comes to certain ladies. As for the drawing power, AJW sold out the Tokyo Dome in 1994 and the women of NXT are right alongside with the men for drawing power. Sasha Banks is just as big a reason for NXT selling out the Barclays Center tonight as Finn Balor, Kevin Owens or Samoa Joe. Yes, Sasha is amazing in NXT, but just wait good sir. Give it another 6 months with Sasha wrestling on WWE TV. She will be a 5 minute filler doing her certain spots only and not actually putting on a wrestling clinic, because time needs to be saved to hype the WWE App, WWE Network, and replay the opening segment of Raw for the next 20 times during the 3 hours.
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Post by alexgg on Aug 22, 2015 12:32:46 GMT -5
What's everyone's thoughts on the op question. Should he get the hogan treatment. Especially during this divas revolution. I'm hoping he get's some serious backlash for these absolutely flat-out disgusting and down-right sexist comments, and anybody trying to defend or justify his opinion are just the same. There was a time when I would agree that the women in WWE were an embarrassment, after Trish, Lita, Victoria, Mickie James etc left, but I wouldnt stop women from wrestling, the ladies in WWE and NXT now are just as good as the men, and even better than some. Historically speaking the divas division at times has barely been more than a joke, a "piss-break" or pure sexualization, but in no way is this the fault of the women involved and should not prevent or hold back the divas of today for raising the standards of women's wrestling. It especially shouldn't be held back by misogynist bungholes. Women in wrestling will never draw money, if they were going to it would happened by now. Noone outside of the IWC is moved by this Divas Revolution, and i dig it myself. As for the drawing power, AJW sold out the Tokyo Dome in 1994 and the women of NXT are right alongside with the men for drawing power. Sasha Banks is just as big a reason for NXT selling out the Barclays Center tonight as Finn Balor, Kevin Owens or Samoa Joe. Absolutely, Bailey vs Sasha Banks for the NXT Women's Championship is a huge draw and is being billed side by side as a Main Event. It should be fantastic. To say women will never draw money in wrestling is completely asinine.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2015 12:48:10 GMT -5
1. People probably know more Women that worked for the company than him
2. Someone show me a match he participated in that was classed as good or legendary... Oh wait.
3. Yeah cause A.J Lee, Alicia Fox, Alundra Blayze, Ariel, Beth Phoenix, Becky Lynch, Brie Bella, Bull Nakano, Charlotte Flair, Chyna, Emma, Eve Torres, Gail Kim, Ivory, Jacqueline, Jazz, Jillian Hall, Kharma, Layla, Lita, Luna Vachon, Maxine, Melina, Michelle McCool, Mickie James, Molly Holly, Naomi, Natalya, Nikki Bella, Paige, Sherri Martel, Serena, Trish Stratus, Victoria & Wendi Richter had ZERO wrestling skills in any company they have ever been involved in or had NO talent what so ever....
4. He just mad because the strippers run away in fear when they see him In all seriousness, Bull Nakano vs Greg Valentine could've been a huge draw & one heck of a feud, IMO. He obviously hasn't seen Gail Kim vs Kong if he thinks female feuds can't draw or are poor quality entertainment (not to mention hundreds of other quality matches...Alundra vs Nakano outperformed a lot of men back in the day.
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Post by Scarlet Begonias on Aug 22, 2015 12:51:47 GMT -5
Women in wrestling will never draw money, if they were going to it would happened by now. Noone outside of the IWC is moved by this Divas Revolution, and i dig it myself. I don't like that he said it had no place, that was too far, but some of the sloppiest matches I've ever seen were matches. Women's Wrestling has a nice little spot on the card and the women today are solid workers, but don't get mad that a much more important and talented wrestler criticized what has historically been a novelty act.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Aug 22, 2015 13:06:27 GMT -5
Women in wrestling will never draw money, if they were going to it would happened by now. Noone outside of the IWC is moved by this Divas Revolution, and i dig it myself. I don't like that he said it had no place, that was too far, but some of the sloppiest matches I've ever seen were matches. Women's Wrestling has a nice little spot on the card and the women today are solid workers, but don't get mad that a much more important and talented wrestler criticized what has historically been a novelty act. Yes, but that was a different time frame. From 2000 - 2006, the Divas could actually go and had experience from wrestling veterans like Luna, Jacqueline, Ivory and Moolah. When your only veteran on the WWE roster for divas is Nikki and Brie Bella, then you know you are in trouble. Nothing against Brie or Nikki, they do a fantastic job out there, but no way are the main event material and no way can the divas in the WWE ever main event a PPV.
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Post by TheBadGuyChico on Aug 22, 2015 13:09:19 GMT -5
On what level have they drawn lol?
Valentine and Tito as the b show was drawing 10 to 15 thousand and people were turned away from the July 85 cage match.
Valentine and Piper consistently mind you, turned folks away unless they were able to get creative and add a few pillows on the floor or something odd like that.
People tried to run Valentine off the side of the highway after the Wahoo angle.
He not only drew more money than any of these women individually or collectively, but was a focal point of Crockett and Mcmahonland during boom periods when wrestling was on fire.
700 people is cute, BK NXT is cool, but these pale in comparison to a guy major cities were coming out in droves to see get his ass kicked during a golden age of wrestling popularity.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Aug 22, 2015 13:12:24 GMT -5
On what level have they drawn lol? Valentine and Tito as the b show was drawing 10 to 15 thousand and people were turned away from the July 85 cage match. Valentine and Piper consistently mind you, turned folks away unless they were able to get creative and add a few pillows on the floor or something odd like that. People tried to run Valentine off the side of the highway after the Wahoo angle. He not only drew more money than any of these women individually or collectively, but was a focal point of Crockett and Mcmahonland during boom periods when wrestling was on fire. 700 people is cute, BK NXT is cool, but these pale in comparison to a guy major cities were coming out in droves to see get his ass kicked during a golden age of wrestling popularity. Dude, I literally just posted that a women's wrestling show in Japan sold out the Tokyo Dome. And you can say 700 people is cute, but I also literally just posted that two women are a major part of NXT selling out 13,000. Please don't say that women don't draw. It is pretty inaccurate.
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Post by | NLS™ | on Aug 22, 2015 13:13:25 GMT -5
Erase him for that? That's ridiculous. He is absolutely right women's wrestling is terrible. People are just too damn sensitive, it's sad. If you don't like what he said that's too damn bad, deal with it.
Valentine has the right to his own opinion. And people have the right to be racist too if they want to (not that I think it's right).
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