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Post by Word™ on Jun 13, 2016 17:28:59 GMT -5
And he woulsnt of killed 49 people with only a pistol He probably would have just built a bomb.
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Post by Epic Z on Jun 13, 2016 17:48:34 GMT -5
It's almost hard to comprehend how something like this can happen. Just absolutely disgusting and terrible.
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Post by Tim of thee on Jun 13, 2016 17:53:01 GMT -5
And he woulsnt of killed 49 people with only a pistol Actually he could.
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Post by BCizzle on Jun 13, 2016 18:44:01 GMT -5
It's pretty obvious that the people on here who love guns are just gonna keep on loving them there guns, not giving a damn how many people get murdered with them. Pretty damn selfish, if you ask me.
But then again, we live in a country that nominates a hateful bigot to run for President. I'm starting to hate America.
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Post by Dex on Jun 13, 2016 18:57:10 GMT -5
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Post by Tim of thee on Jun 13, 2016 19:03:14 GMT -5
Lone wolf? Wolves are pack animals right?
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Post by TheLastDude on Jun 13, 2016 20:47:22 GMT -5
It's pretty obvious that the people on here who love guns are just gonna keep on loving them there guns, not giving a damn how many people get murdered with them. Pretty damn selfish, if you ask me. But then again, we live in a country that nominates a hateful bigot to run for President. I'm starting to hate America. You know what I love? When people pretend to be better than other people when it's painfully obvious they are completely one hundred percent ignorant to facts yet climb on their high horse to try to vault over logical discussions. You keep up that snark though. It's working well for you.
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Post by Tim of thee on Jun 13, 2016 20:51:59 GMT -5
It's pretty obvious that the people on here who love guns are just gonna keep on loving them there guns, not giving a damn how many people get murdered with them. Pretty damn selfish, if you ask me. But then again, we live in a country that nominates a hateful bigot to run for President. I'm starting to hate America. You know what I love? When people pretend to be better than other people when it's painfully obvious they are completely one hundred percent ignorant to facts yet climb on their high horse to try to vault over logical discussions. You keep up that snark though. It's working well for you. I think he's trolling.
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Post by slappy on Jun 13, 2016 20:52:16 GMT -5
I see people are already getting on them there holier than thou high horses. Oh yea, 42 people shot in Chicago (you know that place that has a ban on assault weapons & some of the strictest gun laws in the country) THIS WEEKEND ALONE!! Woo for gun control. Idiots. Why didn't France ban guns? It would have stopped the Paris shooting. Oh wait.
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Post by TheLastDude on Jun 13, 2016 20:56:10 GMT -5
You know what I love? When people pretend to be better than other people when it's painfully obvious they are completely one hundred percent ignorant to facts yet climb on their high horse to try to vault over logical discussions. You keep up that snark though. It's working well for you. I think he's trolling. He's got to be. He was screwing around in the Stanford rape thread too. Shame too, I used to like the guy.
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Post by Jack Specific on Jun 13, 2016 21:12:05 GMT -5
Ok lets just say there was 100% gun control where no person in the USA could legally have any type of firearm years before this madman did what he did. Do you honestly think this would not have happened? It certainly would have. He was going to do what he was going to do no matter what. It would have happened, just not with legally purchased firearms. It's possible he could have went to the black market and easily obtained the same weapons, ammo, magazines... quite possibly he could have obtained fully automatic weapons. On the other side of the coin... lets say he went the other route and very easily made and planted homemade bombs, I.E.D.s, or whatever you want to call them. There would have still been casualties. Maybe more, maybe less. It's a sad and unfortunate fact of life. When these maniacs are ready to unleash, they will unleash. Nothing will stop that. They WILL find a way as long as they already are not in a cage or dead.
JS
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Post by Jonathan Karate on Jun 13, 2016 22:59:26 GMT -5
Ok lets just say there was 100% gun control where no person in the USA could legally have any type of firearm years before this madman did what he did. Do you honestly think this would not have happened? It certainly would have. He was going to do what he was going to do no matter what. It would have happened, just not with legally purchased firearms. It's possible he could have went to the black market and easily obtained the same weapons, ammo, magazines... quite possibly he could have obtained fully automatic weapons. On the other side of the coin... lets say he went the other route and very easily made and planted homemade bombs, I.E.D.s, or whatever you want to call them. There would have still been casualties. Maybe more, maybe less. It's a sad and unfortunate fact of life. When these maniacs are ready to unleash, they will unleash. Nothing will stop that. They WILL find a way as long as they already are not in a cage or dead. JS This was said very well. I agree %100
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Post by BCizzle on Jun 13, 2016 23:57:36 GMT -5
It sounds like this guy was actually gay. I guess mixing that with being a Muslim could lead to a lot of feelings of confusion and self-hatred.
Certainly no reason to murder anyone, much less 50 people.
And guns make it easier to kill. Seems like a lot of folks here don't understand that.
Or the think they're some kind of American hero who can save the day. This isn't a 1980s action movie. It's real life. You're not Rambo or Commando or John McClain.
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Post by J'Dinkalage Morgoone on Jun 14, 2016 0:02:36 GMT -5
I hope everyone realizes that Chicago has some of the most strict gun laws in the country......apparently they DO NOT work.
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Post by Tim of thee on Jun 14, 2016 0:47:33 GMT -5
I hope everyone realizes that Chicago has some of the most strict gun laws in the country......apparently they DO NOT work. Also illegal in France. but not in Switzerland
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Post by Markw on Jun 14, 2016 4:23:24 GMT -5
I hope everyone realizes that Chicago has some of the most strict gun laws in the country......apparently they DO NOT work. Also illegal in France. but not in Switzerland And gun crime is worse in Switzerland as far as I'm aware? Ok lets just say there was 100% gun control where no person in the USA could legally have any type of firearm years before this madman did what he did. Do you honestly think this would not have happened? It certainly would have. He was going to do what he was going to do no matter what. It would have happened, just not with legally purchased firearms. It's possible he could have went to the black market and easily obtained the same weapons, ammo, magazines... quite possibly he could have obtained fully automatic weapons. On the other side of the coin... lets say he went the other route and very easily made and planted homemade bombs, I.E.D.s, or whatever you want to call them. There would have still been casualties. Maybe more, maybe less. It's a sad and unfortunate fact of life. When these maniacs are ready to unleash, they will unleash. Nothing will stop that. They WILL find a way as long as they already are not in a cage or dead. JS People talk on here like all gun crime is carried out by professional criminals and that every attack is premeditated, crimes like this one often are which lends credence to that view. But violent crimes are also carried out by people in the heat of the moment, be it because of anger, alcohol, arguments whatever, banning guns won't stop people from attacking others, but not having access to a gun will mean that those attacks - that aren't premeditated - are less frequently lethal. For what it's worth I think it'd be useful to have a topic on gun control in the Lounge so that it isn't the major talking point when tragedies like these take place and so that the discussion isn't clouded by whether or not gun control would have stopped specific incidents.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2016 4:34:18 GMT -5
The fact is, maniacs are maniacs, and criminals are criminals. A 100% ban on firearms wouldn't stop them from obtaining them illegally. Drugs are illegal, yet people still buy and deal them. The same thing would happen with guns. The whole premise of a "criminal" is that they commit crimes. They aren't going to worry about a law against guns.
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Post by K.O.S.S. on Jun 14, 2016 5:12:18 GMT -5
The fact is, maniacs are maniacs, and criminals are criminals. A 100% ban on firearms wouldn't stop them from obtaining them illegally. Drugs are illegal, yet people still buy and deal them. The same thing would happen with guns. The whole premise of a "criminal" is that they commit crimes. They aren't going to worry about a law against guns. It would make it significantly harder. Logic tells you that.
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Post by K.O.S.S. on Jun 14, 2016 5:12:38 GMT -5
Walmart sells guns for christ sake.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2016 5:30:37 GMT -5
The fact is, maniacs are maniacs, and criminals are criminals. A 100% ban on firearms wouldn't stop them from obtaining them illegally. Drugs are illegal, yet people still buy and deal them. The same thing would happen with guns. The whole premise of a "criminal" is that they commit crimes. They aren't going to worry about a law against guns. It would make it significantly harder. Logic tells you that. A criminal or insane person wouldn't care how hard it was. Drugs are supposed to be hard to get, but look at how many people sell them. All it would do is spawn a huge underground arms trade.
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