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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2016 12:33:37 GMT -5
Roman Reign's being grommed as the face of the company is nothing more than an urban myth. Paige is shocked that you think this.
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Post by punksnotdead on Sept 21, 2016 12:38:35 GMT -5
Owen's whether you like him or not has his own personality. He can be iffy off the mic (mainly due to his accent) but for the most part, his character is himself x10, and that allows the audience to really react to him. Owen's has busted his hump prior to NXT, then established NXT as a touring brand, came up to Raw and even though he was booked horribly at first, he has overcome it and continues to grow into the character. Reigns has had about 4 years now, and still hasn't been able to muster up his own personality or generic charisma. He's decent in the ring but other than that he has ZERO going for him. Why did you quote me? I'm the guy who agrees with you.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2016 13:12:02 GMT -5
He has great PPV Matches
His character though
Not really
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Post by bigshab421 on Sept 21, 2016 13:27:44 GMT -5
Owen's whether you like him or not has his own personality. He can be iffy off the mic (mainly due to his accent) but for the most part, his character is himself x10, and that allows the audience to really react to him. Owen's has busted his hump prior to NXT, then established NXT as a touring brand, came up to Raw and even though he was booked horribly at first, he has overcome it and continues to grow into the character. Reigns has had about 4 years now, and still hasn't been able to muster up his own personality or generic charisma. He's decent in the ring but other than that he has ZERO going for him. Why did you quote me? I'm the guy who agrees with you. Great gif lol.
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Post by J12 on Sept 21, 2016 13:35:17 GMT -5
If you don't think that Reigns was groomed or pushed hard to be the #1 guy in the company in the past 3 years, I seriously don't think you've been watching the product. It's not a myth, it was blatantly happening. Nobody else that I've ever seen in wrestling got a push like he did in the past decade. The original plan was to have him go over Brock at Mania 31. If the fans weren't as vocal as they were it would be an entirely different story. Brock Lesnar, Kurt Angle. Sheamus. They were pushed very quickly since their debut. Also the rumours about Reigns being pushed as the guy started way before The Shield even split. Yes Roman Reign got a huge push but fans hyped it up which made people turn against him. He waited 18 months to get the title after the Shield split. Brock Lesnar and Kurt Angle are two of the most special cases in wrestling history. Lesnar, especially, is an anomaly that is unlikely to ever be duplicated. It's unfair to compare the way in which Reigns was pushed to either of those guys, especially Brock. They were prodigies. Reigns was anything but. He was clearly the weakest member coming out of the Shield, had shown minimal progression in his speaking ability, and had proven absolutely nothing in the ring at that point. Fans believed he had no business being in the main event of Wrestlemania 31. It was a pipe dream that WWE had when the Shield split, but all of his progression was halted by his injury. While Rollins and Ambrose had four months to establish themselves as singles guys, Reigns was on the shelf. By the time he came back, they were way ahead of him in terms of development and yet he was the guy who immediately got the spotlight. That, coupled with the comments CM Punk made on the Cabana podcast right around the time they were ramping up his push, stopped any chance of the fans accepting him as the lead babyface dead in its tracks. The saddest part is that the handled Reigns so poorly throughout the rest of the year that when it came time to actually, finally put the title on him, he s till wasn't where he needed to be.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2016 14:09:10 GMT -5
I see people say his push is undeserving, but what makes his push undeserving but Kevin Owens' push not? Why does everyone act like Roman Reigns doesnt have a superman forearm/punch, a spear, & a drive by. He gets bood while being a good guy he sucks. Let it go.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2016 14:34:29 GMT -5
It's not Roman Reigns that's the problem. It's their intentions they have for him. He's not on the same level of Cena or Rock. Hes a solid superstar, but he is not what they want him to be and the more they force it, the more he'll be rejected.
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Post by Chip on Sept 21, 2016 14:57:27 GMT -5
people who are on the "anti roman reigns hater" bandwagon never seem to realize
it's not about REIGNS. it's about what the WWE DOES, has done and continues to do with Reigns. And that its:
- constantly made the focus of the show, presented as such. presented to the audience as the biggest draw, the best guy and the only one who matters. - put into tons of main event matches seemingly for no reason other than "he's powerful" - great match or not, the formula for him is exactly the same every single time.....get beat up for 10 minutes, hit your superman punch, kick out of 25 finishers, hit one big finisher and pin your opponent. that might be generalizing but out of the hundred matches Reigns has had in the last year or so i think it's safe to say that 90 of them were that exact same formula. - given horrendous dialogue for his promos, in an effort to appear "cool" to the mark adult males - has eaten about 2 clean pins in his entire WWE career, while the rest of the roster (minus john cena) is literally 50/50 booked into oblivion - making him into what amounts to another version of John Cena which in 2016 is not what wrestling fans want to see.
there are tons more. but people don't seem to realize that the majority of people who are fed up with Reigns, are fed up because of the way he got to skate over the entire roster with a rocket ship attached to his ass, despite having minimal skills inside the ring, and a very small ability to "connect" meanwhile all the other talented guys are washed up in the mid card doing nothing, going nowhere, never getting a shot to connect or having the rug pulled out from under them for no apparent reason.
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Post by marino13 on Sept 21, 2016 15:13:48 GMT -5
To be honest, I'm tired of the Roman vs Roman haters thing. Those that like him will continue to do so. Those that complain about him will never stop. Like who ya want, hate who ya want, and don't give a damn what anyone says. Your life, their life, and my life will all be better for it.
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Post by The Natural Eddy Valintino on Sept 21, 2016 16:32:28 GMT -5
I don't have a big problem with Reigns like some people here do. My main problem is that his face character is not working. He had to be booked as a silent bad ass, similar to Goldberg. From the beginning of the Shield, he should have not talked much and kick ass. Have him been a character where Rollins betrayal turned him into a monster bad ass where anyone in his way would get theur ass kicked it something like that. Instead they tried to give us Cena 2.0. I barely had a problem with his in ring work. He had an entertaining match with Big Show in a last man standing match (despite 20,000 matches between the 2). Also, i felt his HIAC match with Bray Wyatt was MOTN. Yeah i felt asleep at Mania when he fought HHH, but i give him credit when he deserves it.
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Post by Jonathan Karate on Sept 21, 2016 16:52:21 GMT -5
For me, its never been about Roman the person, but entirely about Roman the character. I didn't enjoy the undeserving push he received that the WWE forced on us and tested my intelligence. He can be in great matches with the right people, but he's hot garbage on the mic. So for all that time he was needlessly pushed, he has been completely burnt out for me and I would enjoy nothing more than to never see him in the Main Event scene again. He's a Mid-Card kinda guy and that's where he belongs and should stay. And I'm still annoyed that during the Royal Rumble '16 during AJ's debuting entrance the camera was focused on Roman making goofy ass faces.That actually made AJ's debut more awesome. Strange music plays we're confused and Roman's confused but suddenly the crowd erupts and AJ walks out. This is what I was trying to say. When AJ's music hit everyone I was watching that PPV with all got quiet and said wait who's this? Lol I sat there marking out like an idiot because I wanted the AJ rumors to be true. God I would have felt dumb if it wasn't AJ.
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Post by greenjack1992 on Sept 21, 2016 17:36:14 GMT -5
I was already a fan of Roman. Roman had a better match with AJ Styles than Dean Ambrose did. So, Roman > Dean. Yup.
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Post by RV F'N D on Sept 21, 2016 17:54:46 GMT -5
I liked him in the Shield, he's best when he doesn't have to say much. My trouble started when he became Cena Jr, and by that I mean he became damn near invincible, and his dialogue became mostly ultra corny jokes. They did the same with Sheamus for a while too, also didn't work. WWE knows Cena is winding down, and they want another just like him. People turned on Reigns because they don't want another decade plus of that Cena booking for anybody and it's obvious that was the intent.
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Post by Cameron Stone on Sept 21, 2016 18:00:40 GMT -5
He always puts on some of my favorite matches. Reigns is seafood with getting the flow of a match down si it doesn't just feel like waiting for the next big spot.
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Post by IRS on Sept 21, 2016 18:31:35 GMT -5
Reigns' in-ring work has definitely improved over the last year-plus, but his character is still an unlikable mess - mostly thanks to them STILL treating him like a huge underdog. Not to mention, his mic work is still subpar.
He's almost unanimously boo'd every week. Just turn into the goddamn skid already, and make him a monster heel. Because this little "wait out the storm" strategy sure ain't working.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Sept 21, 2016 18:43:34 GMT -5
Roman Reigns haters won't give Roman Reigns a chance until there's something else for them to complain about. John Cena's 17th title win may accomplish this. Hell, his 16th might. But nobody with a clue doubts Roman's talent in the ring at this point anyway, so I'm not sure Jericho and Balor will make a great deal of difference.
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Post by Calcifer Boheme on Sept 21, 2016 20:35:42 GMT -5
I've been a fan of his since developmental. He's not my favorite guy, but his work has been uniformly good across the board. The only issue I ever have is when they script him to be funny.
I think the problem is something that annoys me about the fans in a lot of situations. They're reacting to the booking, and not to the personalities. I get that will happen some, and too much of it is by WWE's own design. But I wish people could separate what's on TV with what they read on the news sites.
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Post by TheChamp420 on Sept 21, 2016 21:24:36 GMT -5
I def like Reigns, other than that dumb smirk he does, he has a cool look & is decent in the ring...
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Post by Sizzle on Sept 21, 2016 21:35:47 GMT -5
I'm sure the hate has to do with everyone knowing his push was coming.
I'm not gonna hate on him for much, because I find him more entertaining than the rest of the people on his brand, give or take a few guys. A lot of the hate he gets is for nitpicking anyway, and I'm not gonna be the one who points something out like "lol he does that and WWE expects us to cheer him?"
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Post by TheLastDude on Sept 21, 2016 21:42:56 GMT -5
For me, its never been about Roman the person, but entirely about Roman the character. I didn't enjoy the undeserving push he received that the WWE forced on us and tested my intelligence. He can be in great matches with the right people, but he's hot garbage on the mic. So for all that time he was needlessly pushed, he has been completely burnt out for me and I would enjoy nothing more than to never see him in the Main Event scene again. He's a Mid-Card kinda guy and that's where he belongs and should stay. And I'm still annoyed that during the Royal Rumble '16 during AJ's debuting entrance the camera was focused on Roman making goofy ass faces. Well, that's pretty much it. /thread
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