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Post by Mongo Bears on Jan 6, 2017 14:42:31 GMT -5
Bill said he can do Sherri! And he knows we want it so it's probably in the works. He said he's gonna do Scary Sherri That's probably my pick out of her different monikers... I'll take all of them but I would have picked queen Sherri
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Post by JNH2248 on Jan 6, 2017 14:43:48 GMT -5
That's probably my pick out of her different monikers... I'll take all of them but I would have picked queen Sherri You got me, either or 1st & 2nd...
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Jan 6, 2017 14:45:39 GMT -5
Bill said he can do Sherri! And he knows we want it so it's probably in the works. He said he's gonna do Scary Sherri Yeah, WM7 Warrior vs Savage is his all time favorite match so it'll likely be her from that match. I'll be OK with that as long as it includes her entrance robe. Just hope if we ever get another Liz, its not WM7. At least not until after nWo and SS88.
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Post by GreyHaze:Big Bad Booty Daddy on Jan 6, 2017 15:16:53 GMT -5
I don't think the macho, lex and sting pack is bad at all. My concerns are the decisions made with part choices. The super ripped Batista torso on sting with thin legs and Lex's inaccurate boots. It's the small decisions like those that make me not want to buy figures. I've passed on many due to part choices but at this point I have no option but to buy the surfer Sting and correct it myself. MattelDesignTeam Why doesn't Sting have a less defined torso and thicker legs? Austin's torso works perfectly. Are you guys planning on correcting him for future releases?
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Post by ZDB on Jan 6, 2017 15:22:55 GMT -5
Bill said he can do Sherri! And he knows we want it so it's probably in the works. He said he's gonna do Scary Sherri He never said he is 100% going to do her. He said she's under contract so she's an option down the road
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2017 15:28:09 GMT -5
This is all that needs to be said. You can debate about poor choices all you want but at the end of the day none of us know if a figure or set sold poorly unless you happen to have sales figures in front of you. We also don't know what Mattel's measurement of success is, that is how many units sold would be considered a success and how many a failure?! I would think this number has changed now that they have had the license for many years and released a lot of figures- they have made money off this line and can probably afford to have a flop here and there.
My thoughts exactly. I don't understand the logic behind not releasing both members of a tag team TOGETHER?!? These are all true tag teams. meaning they weren't two singles wrestlers put together like Akeem & Bossman or Andre & Haku, why would you release these separately?! One possible reason is if some people only want one of the two guys, to that I say- too bad, they are a tag team and go together.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2017 15:30:30 GMT -5
Bill said he can do Sherri! And he knows we want it so it's probably in the works. He said he's gonna do Scary Sherri He never said he is 100% going to do her. He said she's under contract so she's an option down the road I think the odds are good that you will see a figure at some point. The demand is there and they need more new faces in the line so I think a figure will be made along with another Elizabeth figure as well.
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Post by Mongo Bears on Jan 6, 2017 15:31:42 GMT -5
Bill said he can do Sherri! And he knows we want it so it's probably in the works. He said he's gonna do Scary Sherri He never said he is 100% going to do her. He said she's under contract so she's an option down the road I realize, But there's been plenty of call out on here for Sherri recently so I think Bill will get going on her sooner than later hopefully. Besides she fits in with a lot of characters we've recently gotten from Mattel
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Post by ZDB on Jan 6, 2017 15:42:46 GMT -5
I don't think the macho, lex and sting pack is bad at all. My concerns are the decisions made with part choices. The super ripped Batista torso on sting with thin legs and Lex's inaccurate boots. It's the small decisions like those that make me not want to buy figures. I've passed on many due to part choices but at this point I have no option but to buy the surfer Sting and correct it myself. MattelDesignTeam Why doesn't Sting have a less defined torso and thicker legs? Austin's torso works perfectly. Are you guys planning on correcting him for future releases? It's possible this wasn't Bill's decision. WWE could've told Bill to make Sting huge, as they told him to make Kevin Owens' basic skinny.
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Post by ZDB on Jan 6, 2017 15:43:42 GMT -5
He never said he is 100% going to do her. He said she's under contract so she's an option down the road I realize, But there's been plenty of call out on here for Sherri recently so I think Bill will get going on her sooner than later hopefully. Besides she fits in with a lot of characters we've recently gotten from Mattel Oh definitely I think we will get one just wouldn't assume it's in the works right now
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Post by maske2g on Jan 6, 2017 15:53:41 GMT -5
Okay, A LOT of new responses. When I make a thread on any forum, I really like to respond to everyone individually. That'll be kind of difficult here, so I'll respond to a few. Before I start though, I need to make something clear. Because this seems to be a recurring theme in many of the responses... I AM NOT saying anything bad about certain wrestlers or their importance or your own personal liking of certain people. That's not what this is about. This is about starting new lines with a bang. Something that has not been done. And I don't think it's a coincidence that every multipack elite line has failed. I also see that people keep mentioning distribution. That seems to be the running excuse. I get it. But you also have to understand if they had shortpacked EVERYTHING in the first Legends line besides Stone Cold, it wouldn't be cost effective. Take HOF for instance. Yes, in a perfect world, they would have only manufactured 13 Titos for the fringe few that wanted one. But it doesn't work like that. They have to manufacture a decent amount of at least some items in every series to hit the margins they want. By starting the line off with a bang, and then tapering off with later series having more obscure characters interspersed with bigger sellers, the lines have a better chance. That's the whole point. Mattel's pacing has been really poor in some cases. So just to reiterate one final time, this isn't about what I want. It's about logic and a strong start. Believe me, if it was about what I wanted, I'd have a 7 pack of Shawn Michaels Elites from 96-98. And I'd have 96 Warrior made yesterday. Hell, my own personal 3 pack TNF would be HBK, Ahmed Johnson, and Warrior, as my favorite tag team that never happened. So believe me, this is not about my own agenda.
1) I don't care whether you asked or not. If you want to make sweeping statements, you need to be prepared for counterpoints. The first legends wave had Stone COld Steve Austin. The biggest star ever in the business. If you aren't happy that we also got the biggest tag team of the 80's, in awesome attire, then I'm not sure whether your heart is really in this, or you are young and don't care about the 80's
2) American Made Hogan is a brilliant figure. What do you want???? More red and yellow??!?! Or are you just moaning that the MAttel Crystal ball didn't see the racism scandal coming and we didn't get the (Designed and made) Hollywood figure. That is not Mattels fault. They had a clear plan. DM.....a while late.....HH......a while later, maybe Tye dye. American made is from the time period where ironically Hulk Hogan MADE what wrestling is today. A Global behemoth.
3) Are you saying that the Horseman aren't one of the most famous and important teams in Wrestling history? Because again, if so, I'm not sure you really represent the interests of the fanbase of wrestling in it's current global size from the 80's onwards and you seem to have a personal agenda.
4 Your points are full of contradictions. Are you telling me that Undertaker Wrestlemania 14, was a bigger wrestling event than Stings first world title, or Ric Flairs last wrestling match? Because again that points to you having an agenda. It's no where near. The beauty of the first undertaker DM is in the attire. It's a phenomenal figure. MAttel have made an abundance of different Undertaker entrance attires, but you are singling out the one they don't have.
And are you seriously joking about TRiple H? After a great 5 year heel run he returns after 9 months out injured, that nearly ended his career and the fans go absolutely apepoop. This was a defining moment of TRiple H's career. And whilst I'm not a big fan, I recognise that he was an instrumental player in WWE and in the peak of his career before that injury.
5). NO. It doesn't mean nothing!!!! Have you not noticed the rereleases of figures that are selling for silly amounts? E19 HBK, Legends warrior, Boss man, Papa Shango, King BOoker, SDCC Taker. Why do you think this is?!?!? They were some of the most expensive figures on the secondary market. PLUS, you forget the fact that the set is cheap to make. A new Windham head, and a new Flair head, and all of a sudden we can get 4 elite figures for 50 bucks. You wouldn't even have got Tully for that price!!!
6) why do you care so much about the longevity of "Elite Tag teams" and 3 packs? They are never going to be long term, there simply isn't the appetite or the depth of possible content. If they don't sell as teams, they will just drop into other lines if the characters are big enough.. Plus, again, you have not thought about the fact they by dropping them in a 2, 3 or 4 pack we are getting more figures for our money? Cheaper for Mattel to make, cheaper for us to buy. It's a win-win.
For more niche characters, like The Wild samoans for instance, Would you prefer they eat up two spaces in the Elite Line for 20 bucks a piece? No, I didn't think so. So where do you put them in? What's your answer? Your answer seems to be, "Lets have another hall and nash, and we won't bother with an 80's tag team, because I don't care about them"
What they represent, once again, is a real lack of options for legends now. I mean they are releasing an Isaac Yankem..... There are 40 wrestlers we could think of that are more important to wrestling history, but MATTEL CAN'T MAKE THEM.
You seem to know all the problems, but you don't seem to have the solutions. Just poor alternate suggestions. A four pack with Nash and Hall. Like the one that has been cancelled you mean?......
1) Again, I only brought it up as a reference point that it should have been a learning opportunity for Mattel in the future. And almost all the lessons learned from it have not been applied. Aside from picking better attires (most of the time). But since we're on the topic, yes the choices overall were poor. And now you're putting words in my mouth. I didn't say anything bad about Stone Cold. As a matter of fact, Stone Cold was the only choice in early Legends that made sense. People keep talking about distribution being the problem. But that goes hand in hand with sales. You can't move units if people don't want them. And if you shortpack them like so many are saying, then you don't make as much of a profit. That can work with a certain number of figures per line. But to do that with every figure in Legends Series 1 besides Stone Cold would have made the venture pointless for Mattel to pursue. They are a company after all. As far as the no love for the 80s comment, see the above for my general statement. The bottom line is that Legends were poorly chosen and paced. They didn't get to Warrior until series 3, at which point the line was already suffering. And they chose a terrible attire. They didn't get it right until series 6 Warrior, at which point the line was dead. And if you want further proof that they should have released him sooner, look at the fact that he got RERELEASED. That's the whole point of this thread that so many people seem to be missing. It's about STARTING OFF WELL. A lot of these figures can be made, but they shouldn't be kicking off the lines. 2) See everyone keeps doing this in every thread. You're defending the validity of that Hogan character. The bottom line is most people buying figures didn't know or care for that gimmick. And no, I don't expect Mattel to have a crystal ball. At the same time, given Hogan's mercurial relationship with WWE, it would have been wiser to get his main gimmicks out sooner than later. But that's a different topic for another day. 3) Dude, THE HORSEMEN SOLD POORLY. What part of that don't you understand? You can blame whatever you want. It absolutely contributed to the death of 4 packs. I'm not saying they weren't huge wrestlers or that even the figures themselves weren't great. They were. It was just a TERRIBLE choice for the first multipack of Elites since Legends, which failed for the exact same reason. 4) It's not about what was bigger. It's about what sells. GAB Sting did not sell the way Elite 23 Undertaker did. Hell, there's a reason it got a rerelease. It's that good! Again, not a reflection on my thoughts about Sting. He's one of my favorites of ALL TIME. No agenda here. 5) Very flawed logic. Just because a figure is scalped for high prices, that alone doesn't mean it needs to be revisited. It had to have had decent sales before or Mattel would have to be very confident that the timing (or what seems to be everyone's favorite go to, distribution) was off. And you just contradicted yourself. HORSEMEN FAILED. I feel like you're having acceptance issues with that. 6) Um, yes I care about longevity. I don't think it would be good for Mattel to make new lines and have them bottom out after one series over and over again. And to say that they can't be long term is just asinine. There could be Elite 2 packs for years if the pacing and roster selection were up to par. Kicking off with NOD is the antithesis of that. And poor argument at the end there. The Hall and Nash pack didn't get made because of the failure of the two sets before it. And if you really think they would sell just as poorly as the Horsemen did, you need to reexamine your love affair with the 80s. I get it. You liked that period. I did too. But stop thinking with emotion and think logically. EVERY MULTI ELITE LINE HAS FAILED. And every single one of them started off with poor roster choices. That is not a coincidence. 1). So what you are basically saying is. They should have released The Rock, Warrior, Stone Cold, and Red Legion of Doom in line 1. And then all the mid carders after? That would have worked really really well....... The proximity to CS is MASSIVE. Not wanting to make clones of Jakks outfits so close to their release was completely logical. And the point from somebody else, that the US was in the biggest depression since 1930 is absolutely relevant. Hind sight is a wonderful thing.....and that's why Mattel are still making figures 7 years on. They evidently made adjustments. You don't think Legends were successful? They were...They were renamed flashbacks/HOF/TNF. And we've had approx 107 different legendary/flashback/HOF wrestlers, covering over 250 attires and gimmicks. That is over 35 per year. You would not have dreamed we would get that many in 2011. Simply rebranding them is a good thing. It keeps things fresh. While ultimately being the same thing. If they were a failure, would we have had 250? If the top figures of all time were all released in year 1, would Mattel still be making wrestlers? NEVER. The NOW NOW NOW generation need to be left anticipating more. It's even more prevalent today than ever due to their heightened agitation when they can't get what they want immediately. 2) If nobody cared for that gimmick, they would have not been a Wrestlemania 1. It's utterly absurd to suggest that. Did it warrant the extra money of being an exclusive? Maybe that's where the argument lies. And no... again.....why would they bring out Hollywood HH and 87 Hogan, and Tye Dye Hogan in the first month they possibly could?!?!?! Always leave them wanting more. It's classic marketing 101. Once people have those.....who would go and but 3-4 modern day Hogans that were released? only the hardcore. 3) Hasn't it already been said numerous times that they sold great, and then Target ordered crap loads more? If the Horseman were released in the normal line, and to a toy store, and not poopty Target, we wouldn't have seen piles of 40 in one store. They were never sold globally. Not Canada, not the UK, not Europe. Target are p1ss poor. It's written about continually because it's true. I'm from the UK and I've seen it in some of America's biggest cities just how poor the stores are, on numerous occasions. God knows how people cope in small towns with Target exclusives. 4) I think what we are seeing from the old NWA and WCW figures, is that the fan base is niche. It was never anywhere near as big as WWE before the NWO. The elation of people on here, clearly does not translate to mass audiences. You cannot blame Mattel for that. They released hugely requested figures. This has been just as apparent with mid to low card, old school WWE stars. Saying that, When you have a name like STING enter the HOF, debut at Wrestlemania, etc, if you don't release the iconic looks that mattel have done, you would be even more irate, and would just question that instead. "What, how can you not release GAB Sting?" We will probably see less WCW figs from that late 80's early 90's era because of it. Which is a shame. That undertaker you refer to, is that the some one that was on Amazon last week for $8.33? Erm.....yes it is.... 5. I actually agree with you. They shouldn't have been revisited. The demand was there for the small amount being resold yes, But that doesn't translate to masses. Almost all of the rereleases have all been $10 dollars or less at some point. That clearly was the reason they were remade though, which was my point. And don't forget. To remake a figure, it costs significantly less than a brand new one. So Mattel are laughing all the way to the bank. 6. You keep looking back at first lines of figures. But again, they have all had a strong top 10 ever wrestler in the set. Stone Cold, Piper (2 pack), Flair (4 pack) The Rock (two pack). Macho Man DM HBK DM, Macho Man TNF 3 pack. Sting TNF 3 pack. You cannot ask for more than that without Saturating the line with the highlights from the off. The importance of spreading them out is just as big if not bigger. That's why Mattel will have been making figures for 10 years at the end of this deal They haven't failed. We've had over 250 superstars made, from Wrestling history. I know....I made the checklist up the top there!! When you actually look throughout history of the lines. Whatever guise they were in. Mattel have wonderfully spread out the headline figures. Legends. 1 Stone Cold. 3 The Rock. 4 Warrior. 5. Macho Man. 6 Warrior and first ever Texas Tornado. DM 1 HBK and first ever Macho Man. We proceed to get Warrior, HHH, Taker, The Dragon, Elite 2 packs and HOF are/were testing the water. It's harder to sell 2 pack sand 3 packs, and 4 packs. This place erupted for the Horseman. It went wild for the Heenan family It loved NOD Farooq (the figure was poop though) . The Rock will always sell alone, he is the biggest film star in the world, but I blame the execution of that Farooq figure for that figure still knocking about cheap. It's horrible. As is the Wyndham as I said. The Heenan set is wonderful. Hand's up those who have seen it in store??? eeeew. Online??? never..... You are now getting another highly scalped figure in Papa Shango, and Warriors just sell. The flashbacks have been nicely spread out over the series. a smattering here and there. The Hulk, Ric Flair and Razor were a great way to bring back the DM's. We are still getting more obscure figures like Harlem Heat in the regular line. The two pack legends were not ideal choices at the time I agree, but we got L.O.D and Demolition in the singles packs. Hand to heart, how many more great tag teams, WHO WERE SIGNED, could have been chosen at the time. The important part there is the bit in capitals. Who was signed at the time. They probably didn't have a lot onboard to work with. Also If you look at the amount of tag teams released as single packs. Maybe that is a deliberate ploy? Maybe Mattel knows they can charge more for L.O.D and Demolition, and the Harts, because they know they will sell better individually, for more money, and hence bigger profit? Just a thought, but there is a clear pattern there.... P.S Yeah, I know that was the reason Nash and Hall were not released. It was a jibe. But I maintain, how can you do an NWO 4 pack without the leader of the N.W.O? It would have been like the Horseman set with no Flair. As useful as a chocolate teapot.....
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Post by maske2g on Jan 6, 2017 15:59:44 GMT -5
Sorry. Maybe we should all just go play with our dolls, and never talk again....
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Post by warriorheart on Jan 6, 2017 16:27:33 GMT -5
I For other lines, I think a re-release of the legends Road Warriors (in black) with an updated torso for Animal would've sold better than the Wild Samoans will sell. But I'm happy for other legends collectors who want something new. I just hope the lines continue! I hope this becomes reality. I would love an updated Animal with proper scaling. I have all 3, but I'd like to see this one redone.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2017 17:12:17 GMT -5
They still are in a depression as is the entire world. Contrary to what the MSM says, the 'great recession' never ended, its still ongoing unfortunately.
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Post by maske2g on Jan 6, 2017 17:24:23 GMT -5
They still are in a depression as is the entire world. Contrary to what the MSM says, the 'great recession' never ended, its still ongoing unfortunately. Agreed. Dow 20000. What a farce.
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Post by Cyan on Jan 6, 2017 17:29:04 GMT -5
I don't think the macho, lex and sting pack is bad at all. My concerns are the decisions made with part choices. The super ripped Batista torso on sting with thin legs and Lex's inaccurate boots. It's the small decisions like those that make me not want to buy figures. I've passed on many due to part choices but at this point I have no option but to buy the surfer Sting and correct it myself. MattelDesignTeam Why doesn't Sting have a less defined torso and thicker legs? Austin's torso works perfectly. Are you guys planning on correcting him for future releases? I agree. Part choices are a big part of what might hold me back from a figure. They gave the RSC nWo Sting thicker legs and it's noticeable next to the other Stings.
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Post by PJ on Jan 6, 2017 17:37:14 GMT -5
I didn't say distribution. Because the Legends, KMart HoF, Legends 2- Packs and Target HOF Horsemen 4-Pack were all easy to find. I said over producing.
They released Legends Series 1&2 at the same time at mass retail and at the same time they also released the KMart HoF set which was nothing more than L1&2 with a cardboard HOF plaque. There was no reason to buy both lines so if you found the Legends you didn't need the HOF and vise versa. They should have made the HOF figures in different attires. But seeing they didn't the Legends sales competed with the KMart HOf sales.
The TRU Legends 2-Packs were also over produced when TRU distribution center has enough product to send 100 cases to one store that means that store needed to move 200 Piper/Orton, 200 Bushwackers and 200 Shield/Volkoff set. (And I am pretty they had a second shipment of 50 cases Paterson the year) so that was another 100 of each set that this one store had to move. They never had more than 15 of any Jakks CSTT 2-pack. That was way to many for a store to sell and most TRU were the same way. I doubt my (or anybody else's) area has enough of a collectors market/fanbase to move that many of one particular assortment. So there was no way TRU was going to order a second assortment. And that is the same reason the Target HOF 4-Packs failed. Target's distribution centers were sitting on the Heenan family set for almost a year because the stores in their districts had an over abundance of the Horsemen. Again there's not that huge of a collectors fanbase in the area. I know there are plenty of areas that have 5-6 Targets in a 30 minute radius so they are competing for each others sales. And most Targets had 30+ Horsemen sets. That again is just too much product for a single store to move. The set could have been of the 4 biggest names in wrestling and it would have made a difference because it is still to much of the same product to move.
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Post by Iron Bison on Jan 6, 2017 17:51:59 GMT -5
Wanted to make sure no one brought this point up before I made it but I hope the OP kept in mind that Bill is VERY limited in what he can release in th HoF line. They have to, you know, be in the hall of fame. I dont mind the selections but I understand the point you are making but what else could they have done? Give us ANOTHER big name guy or two in a two pack? I think Bill is just taking advantage (in a goodway of course) of making sure thatwe get a different array of characters when he can put them in the line. Yes, the 4 pack line is dead but what other 4 packs could he have done? Bill at least got us the Horsemen all grouped in a pack(which I'm sure autograph collectors really appreciate) and managed to squeeze out Heenan and Studd. The HOF is targeted to collectors, you can't fault the line for its small group of contenders.
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Post by wrestlingdelorean on Jan 6, 2017 18:51:15 GMT -5
The HOF 2 packs are not equally weighted. More of the Warrior-Shango packs were made than the Samoans. As to why they were chosen they are a visually interesting team where one of the members is the father of one of the biggest stars in WWE at the moment ( whether you boo or cheer him, he sells a LOT of figures). The Shango is slightly different from the original version if you compare closely. Added deco. The new Shango is an upgrade. Nice work.
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Post by GreyHaze:Big Bad Booty Daddy on Jan 6, 2017 19:49:02 GMT -5
I don't think the macho, lex and sting pack is bad at all. My concerns are the decisions made with part choices. The super ripped Batista torso on sting with thin legs and Lex's inaccurate boots. It's the small decisions like those that make me not want to buy figures. I've passed on many due to part choices but at this point I have no option but to buy the surfer Sting and correct it myself. MattelDesignTeam Why doesn't Sting have a less defined torso and thicker legs? Austin's torso works perfectly. Are you guys planning on correcting him for future releases? It's possible this wasn't Bill's decision. WWE could've told Bill to make Sting huge, as they told him to make Kevin Owens' basic skinny. True. I know Bill said the same about the Rock with his fb and his agents wanting him to look bigger, but then his most recent has the Austin torso that the first releases had which is confusing and makes no sense. I also wonder, if this was the case why not give the RSCE Sting a thicker torso? It looks scrawny. Same with the arm changes. Both dms have the triple h arms then the Wolfpac has the punk arms, while the e39 (modern version) has roided arms. Doesn't make sense to me.
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