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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2017 23:51:23 GMT -5
Let's go all the way back to the original Legends line. It failed. They admitted that their roster/attire choices were poor. Oh well, everyone moved on and we got flashbacks. No big deal. But you would think that after that, Mattel would have learned to open up with a haymaker (or even just a solid punch) with every new line.
But it seems like the questionable choices have continued. We finally got another crack at Elite Tag Teams. And their first choice is NOD Rock and Farooq? Really? Two figures no one asked for (or one of the most fringe requests ever). No surprise that was a one and done. Same thing with the HOF 2 packs. The Wild Samoans? Yeah, those are going to warm on Tito levels.
And of course, there was the HOF 4 packs. What a disaster. I'm not saying that the figures were bad. They weren't. They were just terrible choices to open up a premium line. They needed to hit hard with HBK, Diesel, Razor, Hogan, Warrior, etc. There were so many variations of 4 packs they could have done that in no way could have clogged Targets like the current ones are now.
I bring all this up because of the TNF 3 packs. Again, I feel like the choices are really underwhelming. A Shield flashback? Already? I guess I can somewhat make sense of it as the guys are all on TV and have had little reunions now and then. However, there have been tons of elites and basics of both their group run and their individual careers. Moving on, the WCW one really perplexes me. It was just an obscure choice for the inaugural line. It doesn't help that Luger isn't accurate and Sting looks pretty bad. I know a lot of people on here love it. But I don't see many of the general public buying it.
Overall, I just feel like Mattel starts up these awesome lines only to crap on any opening momentum with poor choices. I know people are going to be butthurt about what I'm saying, but this thread isn't about just mindlessly trashing Mattel. It's a discussion. I love their figures. But I just don't understand why they think a line is going to be really successful if they keep opening up with crappy/obscure lineups. Yet, I really want to know if maybe their sales are better than what they appear? I mean, I feel like the fact that several of the lines I mentioned above are already cancelled kind of speaks for itself. But maybe there's more to the story that I'm not seeing.
I know a lot of people are excited about the new TNF 3 packs. But I honestly believe their sales are going to be crap. Ditto for the HOF 2 packs. Shango/Warrior may sell decently, but whatever good they do will be wrecked by the Daniel Bryan shelf-warming level of the Samoans.
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Post by kiloinnorcal on Jan 5, 2017 23:59:59 GMT -5
Yeah I get what you're saying. And the only good figure in that bash at the beach set, Macho Man, has to compete with another, much better, Macho Man itself. It's like they want multi-packs to fail.
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Post by Nivro™ on Jan 6, 2017 0:04:26 GMT -5
Mattels "logic" or figure choices arent the problem. Its their distribution. There's no reason places should get multiple cases of figures that contain guys like Tito. If Tito is 2 per case and you have 8 of him on the shelf, that means you had 4 cases of HOF figures come in...Unless you're in a really big city..thats unnecessary. I live in a fairly small town (200k in the county)..there are 12 Titos and 23 Daniel Bryan figures in my town....yet Ive never seen GAB Sting or Elite 42 on the shelves around here.
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Post by Mongo Bears on Jan 6, 2017 0:05:11 GMT -5
Well...
with the legends line there was obviously an issue.
When the dm line returned it started fantastic with flair, hogan, razor and sting.
Target hall of fame series 1 was a big success.
Four horsemen set sold well but was drastically overproduced.
TNF series 1 seems to sell good.
Elite 2pk NOD was perhaps not a good choice.
Hall of fame 2 packs both are bad especially the Samoans.
The TNF 3 packs are both good I think. The shield will probably sell and the bash at the beach set is excellent! Imo
Bill said tru network elites are selling well.
I don't see a problem except for the two packs
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2017 0:06:18 GMT -5
Mattels "logic" or figure choices arent the problem. Its their distribution. There's no reason places should get multiple cases of figures that contain guys like Tito. If Tito is 2 per case and you have 8 of him on the shelf, that means you had 4 cases of HOF figures come in...Unless you're in a really big city..thats unnecessary. I live in a fairly small town (200k in the county)..there are 12 Titos and 23 Daniel Bryan figures in my town....yet Ive never seen GAB Sting or Elite 42 on the shelves around here. Oh I'm sure distribution hasn't helped. I didn't even mention that because that's a whole other rabbit hole to fall into. But I do think some of the roster choices were just bad. The NOD 2 pack was absurd. And it was exclusive to K-Mart (wtf). How K-Mart gets anything exclusive, or is even alive in general, baffles me. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2017 0:07:22 GMT -5
I feel like this is a trap... but I'll bite.
Shango and Warrior are going to fly off the shelves.
So will the shield pack because kids love those guys.
As for BatB, have you seen that match? Do you know how huge that match was? This was an insane moment in wrestling history. Mr. "Take your vitamins" turned heel. It's a three pack of three highly sought after and often requested figures that are likely setting the stage for another three pack including the nWo side of the equation.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2017 0:11:57 GMT -5
Well... with the legends line there was obviously an issue. When the dm line returned it started fantastic with flair, hogan, razor and sting. Target hall of fame series 1 was a big success. Four horsemen set sold well but was drastically overproduced. TNF series 1 seems to sell good. Elite 2pk NOD was perhaps not a good choice. Hall of fame 2 packs both are bad especially the Samoans. The TNF 3 packs are both good I think. The shield will probably sell and the bash at the beach set is excellent! Imo Bill said tru network elites are selling well. I don't see a problem except for the two packs Fair post. The DM line had a lot of misses as well imo. A lot of the choices weren't even close to what I'd call a "defining moment" for that superstar. But the line is still alive and I'm glad for that. Although, I'd like to see a few of the 7000 Warriors at my Walmarts disappear. I didn't say anything about the HOF individual figures. The Horsemen part seems questionable to me. I just can't see how it sold well when the prices got significantly slashed and they are still on shelves a year after the fact and the line got cancelled. Didn't say anything about the individual TNF figures. My focus was on the 3 packs. Glad we agree about NOD and HOF 2. I didn't mention the Network Spotlights because I agree that line has been solid. That is hands down Roman Reigns best figure and the HBK was excellent. I didn't care for the basic multipack. But overall the line has been solid. Although, a Bossman re-release was kind of a weird opening choice, which is completely on par with the whole point of my post. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2017 0:15:45 GMT -5
I feel like this is a trap... but I'll bite. Shango and Warrior are going to fly off the shelves. So will the shield pack because kids love those guys. As for BatB, have you seen that match? Do you know how huge that match was? This was an insane moment in wrestling history. Mr. "Take your vitamins" turned heel. It's a three pack of three highly sought after and often requested figures that are likely setting the stage for another three pack including the nWo side of the equation. That's exactly my point! Why not play it safer with a 2 pack Hall/Nash? Everyone wants a red/black Hall. And Nash could be a straight up repaint (saving them $$). A 3 pack would be nice but Hogan... Anyways, yes that PPV was big. But it wasn't because of the 3 they chose to make. And again, two of the three figures just look really bad/inaccurate. Either way, it just didn't make sense as an opening choice for an elite multipack, which historically hasn't done well for Mattel. Yeah, I lent credence to choosing the Shield (still not a super strong opening though). Ditto for Shango/Warrior. But as I said before, the Samons death-inducing shelfwarming will kill any promise that Shango and Warrior make. |
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Post by JNH2248 on Jan 6, 2017 0:17:19 GMT -5
I feel like this is a trap... but I'll bite. Shango and Warrior are going to fly off the shelves. So will the shield pack because kids love those guys. As for BatB, have you seen that match? Do you know how huge that match was? This was an insane moment in wrestling history. Mr. "Take your vitamins" turned heel. It's a three pack of three highly sought after and often requested figures that are likely setting the stage for another three pack including the nWo side of the equation. I was wondering the same thing...that BATB wasn't just "any" ordinary event... |
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Post by JNH2248 on Jan 6, 2017 0:21:59 GMT -5
I was wondering the same thing...that BATB wasn't just "any" ordinary event... I never said it was. But their focus is on the wrong half. Gotcha, I posted after you answered the previous post... |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2017 0:22:38 GMT -5
I feel like this is a trap... but I'll bite. Shango and Warrior are going to fly off the shelves. So will the shield pack because kids love those guys. As for BatB, have you seen that match? Do you know how huge that match was? This was an insane moment in wrestling history. Mr. "Take your vitamins" turned heel. It's a three pack of three highly sought after and often requested figures that are likely setting the stage for another three pack including the nWo side of the equation. I was wondering the same thing...that BATB wasn't just "any" ordinary event... You're right my wording was bad there. I meant the specific superstars and their attire was obscure. The event itself was historic, but only because of Hogan, Nash, and Hall. The names on the other end could have been anyone. |
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Post by crush on Jan 6, 2017 0:48:12 GMT -5
Overall I agree, but I disagree about the TNF three-packs. The Shield are currently over as singles guys, the group is still massively over (even Reigns who usually sees mixed at best reactions gets mega cheers during Shield reunion teases). Plus, and I really think people are underestimating this part, the group had only been packaged together once before in a nearly impossible to find basic KMart three pack. Honestly, I think it's a genius three-pack.
BATB, I can see your point a bit, but Sting and Savage always seem to sell well, and the face paint gives the figures a cool uniformity. Also, since the Shield pack will appeal to the masses, it's cool that the second is slightly more obscure (whip at the same time CJ taining tao of the biggest stars of the last 30 years plus Luger whose only a tier below.
TL:DR I actually think Mattel got the lineup choices way right this time.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2017 0:50:21 GMT -5
I'm buying the Bash at the Beach set for Sting and Sting only. I hope to sell Luger and Macho on eBay. As was stated: Hall, Nash and especially Hogan are what make this moment iconic. So to me, I'm buying a cool Sting from that era and not this particular moment for Sting.
So to your point, I think you're right about questionable choices. They seem to have a history of that. Macho and Luger in face paint are very niche regardless of the fact they were a defining moment for someone else. But that's what they were.
For other lines, I think a re-release of the legends Road Warriors (in black) with an updated torso for Animal would've sold better than the Wild Samoans will sell. But I'm happy for other legends collectors who want something new. I just hope the lines continue!
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Post by thehasbrohunter on Jan 6, 2017 0:50:35 GMT -5
I can't say I disagree,The Shield 3 pack looks interesting but the BatB 3 pack just looks bad. Same goes for the HOF 2 packs Warrior and Shango is a must get for me sense I missed the first Shango release but Wild Samoans I'm not so sure. I'll probably buy them to go along with my late 80s-mid 90s collection but don't think they'll sell well otherwise. NOD pack was unnecessary,I actually would have preferred seeing a 4 pack with Farooq,Rock,D'Lo and Mark Henry if they had to make a NOD pack.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2017 1:00:40 GMT -5
Overall I agree, but I disagree about the TNF three-packs. The Shield are currently over as singles guys, the group is still massively over (even Reigns who usually sees mixed at best reactions gets mega cheers during Shield reunion teases). Plus, and I really think people are underestimating this part, the group had only been packaged together once before in a nearly impossible to find basic KMart three pack. Honestly, I think it's a genius three-pack. BATB, I can see your point a bit, but Sting and Savage always seem to sell well, and the face paint gives the figures a cool uniformity. Also, since the Shield pack will appeal to the masses, it's cool that the second is slightly more obscure (whip at the same time CJ taining tao of the biggest stars of the last 30 years plus Luger whose only a tier below. TL:DR I actually think Mattel got the lineup choices way right this time. I see what you're saying. Mainly about the Shield. But I still feel that both choices weren't strong enough for the debut line. Mattel hasn't done too well with multipacks. They really needed a slam dunk. I don't think it's fair to compare the K-Mart 3 pack because that was when they were new and didn't have many figures. Now there have been tons of basics and elites of them as the Shield and as singles competitors. I just feel like they could have made way better opening rosters. Imagine a 3 pack with WM 14 Undertaker, Debut Kane (with the correct boots this time), and Paul Bearer? Or a SS 97 Shawn, Bret, and Vince. Those would not only make this forum explode, but they would sell extremely well. I have yet to see Mattel make ANY multipack that just blew people's minds. And even when they get close, there's always some glaring flaw, which in this case is no neck Sting and black boot Luger. I'm buying the Bash at the Beach set for Sting and Sting only. I hope to sell Luger and Macho on eBay. As was stated: Hall, Nash and especially Hogan are what make this moment iconic. So to me, I'm buying a cool Sting from that era and not this particular moment for Sting. So to your point, I think you're right about questionable choices. They seem to have a history of that. Macho and Luger in face paint are very niche regardless of the fact they were a defining moment for someone else. But that's what they were. For other lines, I think a re-release of the legends Road Warriors (in black) with an updated torso for Animal would've sold better than the Wild Samoans will sell. But I'm happy for other legends collectors who want something new. I just hope the lines continue! I hope so man. But if their continuation is contingent on how the first series sells, I'd be worried. I can't say I disagree,The Shield 3 pack looks interesting but the BatB 3 pack just looks bad. Same goes for the HOF 2 packs Warrior and Shango is a must get for me sense I missed the first Shango release but Wild Samoans I'm not so sure. I'll probably buy them to go along with my late 80s-mid 90s collection but don't think they'll sell well otherwise. NOD pack was unnecessary,I actually would have preferred seeing a 4 pack with Farooq,Rock,D'Lo and Mark Henry if they had to make a NOD pack. Agreed. And even then, the NOD is just not a set you open up with. That's down the line type of shyt. |
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Post by TheBadGuyChico on Jan 6, 2017 1:04:23 GMT -5
I don't get the negativity for 80's guys like the Samoans, they are an important part of WWF tag team history. That was a memorable team.
I feel like some of you on this board would like to kick the 80's out of bed. Plenty of us still want our fix.
I'd buy more Iron Sheiks, Atlas and Johnson, Blassie, and guys like Adrian Adonis in a heart beat.
Oh and what is deal with the complaining about iconic attires? Is it terrible we got 2 Slaughters and 2 Road Warriors?
Yes we should have got the more recognizable looks first and that did ruin our hopes of a good Snuka, but i love repaints. Give me any look, if I like the wrestler.... I'm buying.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2017 1:07:58 GMT -5
I don't get the negativity for 80's guys like the Samoans, they are an important part of WWF tag team history. That was a memorable team. I feel like some of you on this board would like to kick the 80's out of bed. Plenty of us still want our fix. I'd buy more Iron Sheiks, Atlas and Johnson, Blassie, and guys like Adrian Adonis in a heart beat. Oh and what is deal with the complaining about iconic attires? Is it terrible we got 2 Slaughters and 2 Road Warriors? Yes we should have got the more recognizable looks first and that did ruin our hopes of a good Snuka, but i love repaints. Give me any look, if I like the wrestler.... I'm buying. Well remember, this is more about chronology than anything. I'm not hating on those guys you mentioned. It's timing. You just don't open with the Wild Samoans for an Elite Tag line. That's exactly the type of decision-making that killed the Legends 2 packs (all of Legends actually) and the Elite Tag revival. That's the whole point of my post. Mattel just comes out the gate really flat. And it's a shame. The Legends mistake was somewhat forgivable. But to do it over and over again is just mind-boggling. |
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Post by The American Daydream on Jan 6, 2017 1:10:21 GMT -5
Know what they call complaining about a problem without offering a solution? B*tching.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2017 1:13:56 GMT -5
Know what they call complaining about a problem without offering a solution? B*tching. Man this thread had several more sound replies than I expected before the garbage rolled in. Anyways, context clues should clue you in on the solution pretty clearly. MAKE BETTER STARTING LINEUPS. |
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Post by thehasbrohunter on Jan 6, 2017 1:14:36 GMT -5
I I feel like some of you on this board would like to kick the 80's out of bed. Plenty of us still want our fix. The main reason for this is because of how many deserving new guys their are,especially with the Cruiserweight guys. Also the Wild Samoans aren't exactly the most well know tag team so they aren't as desired as guys like Demolition or The Steiner Brothers. |
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