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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2017 9:42:16 GMT -5
Nostalgic is the best way to describe this Mania.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Apr 3, 2017 9:43:47 GMT -5
I'm so pissed off that The Undertaker lost and then retired. That was not the way to do it. Nobody wanted to see Undertaker go out like that. They want Roman Reigns to be the successor to Super Cena, but he now he's seen even more as a guy being shoved down the throats of the fans, and he also now has the BURDEN of being known as the guy that ended the Undertaker.
Believe me, beating The Undertaker is not an ACCOMPLISHMENT for Roman Reigns. This is a major BURDEN that he's never going to be able to shake. WWE wants me to cheer for Roman Reigns? They want me to buy Roman Reigns crap from WWEShop? Well why would I support the guy that just (kayfabe) ended the career of the guy I've been supporting for almost 30 YEARS?
I think that it would have been better for Roman Reigns if he had make ONE mistake and Undertaker just squeaked out the victory but then after the match Undertaker could have tipped his hat or shook Roman Reigns hand or did something to show respect and pass the torch. What they did last night was just have Roman Reigns slaughter the Undertaker, look down at him like he was a piece of crap, and leave him laying in the ring. No hand shake, no show of respect....just Roman Reigns ACTING like a heel but being TREATED as a face.
Roman Reigns could have gone on as the guy who has THE ENDORSEMENT of The Undertaker, just like Undertaker endorsed John Cena after Cena lost his first match against Kurt Angle. But by ALMOST beating Kurt Angle and getting that endorsement of both Angle AND Undertaker, it helped John Cena. Reigns just went out and straight up beat Taker last night.
It wasn't the right move. They really wasted Undertaker the last 3 Wrestlemanias. The Bray Wyatt match didn't need to happen, it should have been Sting because Sting/HHH didn't make sense either. last year against Shane was stupid. And this year was just to try and get over Reigns, which it won't.
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Post by Irish Wrestling Entertainment on Apr 3, 2017 9:47:51 GMT -5
Honestly, I'm glad that many people enjoyed this Mania because, after all, enjoyment is the motivating factor in us watching. But it also makes me consider that the product has passed me by. It also seems that the closer we get to Mania each year, the less and less my personal enjoyment becomes.
My review of the show:
AJ and Shane was a decent bout. Wrestling quality was average to decent and AJ got the win. It didn't really further the storyline much - if anything, it's given them a bit of a catch 22 because AJ belongs in the World Title picture but in order to do that, he needs Shane's permission. So Shane is basically going to have to congratulate AJ and tell him that he was right all along - that he is phenomenal. It's a bit dumb to come full circle like that and just shows how rushed together this storyline was.
Kevin Owens vs Jericho was solid. Not as great as I was hoping wrestling wise but at least they gave it decent run time and a pretty solid promo package. I can't take anything away from them.
The Women's F4W was, again, solid. Nothing too great and I hoped for better/more exciting action.. but it was okay nonetheless.
The Ladder Tag Match was great. It felt surreal seeing the Hardys back and even more surreal when Jeff did the Swanton off the ladder. I think it's a bit harsh on the teams that have been busting their asses off all year.. but it gives them a chance to take on one of the greatest tag teams in WWE history for titles - so it's a positive. I hope WWE manage to book the Hardys successfully - as they totally wasted the Dudleys last year.
John Cena/Nikki vs Miz/Maryse was sickeningly bad. It was actually a bit distasteful to be honest.. 3 offensive moves to put down Miz. It was lazy and disrespectful working from Cena and the segment centred solely on the proposal at the end. The match was under booked and did absolutely nothing for Miz who is coming off arguably his best year of work in the company yet. There is a new trend in WWE of totally ignoring the good performances of wrestler's they seemingly don't want to push.. and burying them anyway. It's easy to see how guys can begin to 'coast' in this company - whenever they know that they won't get rewarded anyway if they put on a great performance every night. If Cena had to win, at least let Miz come close.. or at least have Maryse accidentally cost Miz so that she takes the hit as opposed to Miz. They made both Miz and Maryse look like garbage and it's a shame.
Seth vs Triple H was okay. Wrestling quality was underwhelming, the finish was underwhelming - especially as it was the longest match of the night by a reasonable distance.
Orton vs Bray was horrendous. If someone told me 'go out there and book a match that makes sure these fans never want Bray Wyatt near the WWE Championship again', I think I would have struggled to come up with this absolute masterpiece. Between dumb looking pixelated green screened maggots that had my WM party in stitches of laughter, a rushed match and poor/boring wrestling quality in general with no significant or interesting spots - they made damn sure that this is one match we won't want to see again for a long time.
Lesnar vs Goldberg was fun. I can't say a bad word about it.. we all knew what we would get from it and they teased the win for both men. It was impactful and high octane from the first bell to last.
Smackdown Divas Match was a bit like the RAW Divas match - underwhelming wrestling quality led to a slightly boring match. I think they should have elevated Mickie James with the win but it isn't a huge deal. Naomi isn't half bad and whilst there are certainly better options, I've always been in favour of giving many people a chance with the belt to make their character seem like the real deal.
The coup de gras. Undertaker vs Reigns. I see a lot of people suggesting that Taker probably chose Reigns to put him over in his last match and whilst I accept the logic, I'm not so sure. It was Vince's decision for Lesnar to go over, as he admitted on Stone Cold's podcast. I'm also not sure because Undertaker is a very, very astute wrestling man - and he would know that this is the worst thing for Reigns' character. The fans who think he is being shoved down their throats will only become more vocal after this one.. they are booking him to Hulk Hogan proportions when he hasn't even got a major following - it's a really, really strange situation that is having a detrimental effect on many fans' ability to actually relax and attempt to enjoy the product.
Wrestling wise it was decent to good, so I have to give Reigns credit for that. It's clear Taker needed to retire at some point and I'm glad he did.. but giving it to Reigns just feels like lazy booking fueled only by Vince's desire to make him the top draw in the company regardless of fan opinion. He's now in that Lesnar dimension coming off of WM30, where he has beaten the Undertaker at Mania and therefore everyone is technically beneath him. I fully expect to see Lesnar (C) vs Reigns vs Strowman at the next PPV. They could have had Bray (C) vs Undertaker (RR winner) and allowed Bray to retire him, thus 'morphing' his powers. And whilst it may seem like a 'oh you're favourite didn't win' kind of gripe, it makes sense when you think about it. Bray is the closest thing to Taker since Taker.. and having Bray be his last match would have been a true 'passing of the torch' - instead of just a convenient way to both retire Taker and continue Vince's fantasy.
So, unfortunately, for me, this Wrestlemania goes down as lacking in terms of storyline advancement, very poor in terms of character development and underwhelming in terms of match quality.
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Post by maske2g on Apr 3, 2017 9:56:02 GMT -5
The best 2 things of the night were the Hardyz and the set.
That set was one of the best things Ive ever seen in my life. It was mesmerising.
It hypnotised me..... and then Randy Snorton put me to sleep for the last 4 matches.....just as he did in orlando last time.
Dont they gauge by crowd reaction??? What does silence mean? Yes its the wordt reaction. No one cares
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Apr 3, 2017 10:05:37 GMT -5
WWE WrestleMania 33 April 2nd, 2017 | Citrus Bowl in Orlando, Florida | Attendance: 75,245
WWE Cruiserweight Championship: Neville (c) vs. Austin Aries Seeing Austin Aries on WrestleMania was surreal. Putting this on the pre-show was the best move. On the main show, they might’ve been restricted to five or so minutes. Instead, they got 15:37 and made it work. I appreciated that they didn’t go for the typical spotty match and used a slower start to build to something more. Aries hitting the heat seeking missile got a pop from me. Their finishing stretch was awesome and Aries even busted out the 450 splash. Neville kicking out of it didn’t bother me since Aries hasn’t established it as a finish in WWE. The finish was great with Aries digging into Aries’ old eye injury to open the door for the Red Arrow. I see I liked this more than most but it was, to me, the first great Cruiserweight Title match since the belt returned. [****]
Andre The Giant Memorial Battle Royal No surprises in there this year. Only Big Show and Braun got entrances. The big surprise came when, after eliminating Big Show, Braun Strowman was eliminated by everyone. Most people, myself included, saw him winning. The other favorites like Luke Harper and Sami Zayn were also dumped out. It came down to NXT’s Killian Dane, Mojo Rawley and Jinder ing Mahal. Mahal threw a drink at Mojo’s friend Rob Gronkowski in the front row. Rob hopped the guardrail and tackled Mojo for the WRESTLEMANIA MOMENT! Mojo eliminated Dane and Mahal and won at 14:07. I wasn’t as upset with the result as a lot of people. The match was standard battle royal fare. [*¼]
WWE Intercontinental Championship: Dean Ambrose (c) vs. Baron Corbin People were not happy this was moved to the Kickoff Show. I don’t know if it played a part in how the match turned out but I could totally see that being the case. Both guys, especially Corbin, looked pissed. They worked a match with little to no heat, which was disappointing because their feud has been rather great. They did stuff but none of it really connected. Dean countered the End of Days into Dirty Deeds to pick up the win at 10:44. It felt like neither guy put their best foot forward. I hope something is being saved for a better match, preferably with a stipulation, at the next Smackdown PPV. [**¼]
AJ Styles vs. Shane McMahon There’s a lot of talk about who the best wrestler in the world is. For me, there’s no question or debate. It’s AJ Styles. He proved it again on this show. AJ helped carry a non-wrestler to a great wrestling match. Not one that relied on smoke and mirrors either. The story early was that AJ was overconfident because a straight up wrestling match is his domain. Shane made him rethink things by busting out some solid grappling of his own. It never felt like Shane was better than AJ, just that AJ took him too lightly and it cost him. They advanced to strikes, where Shane seemed to get the better. We got a ref bump, but it worked here. AJ went for Shane’s coast to coast spot but Shane threw a trash can at him. He then showed that he can hit the coast to coast still. Shane, the wild man that he is, tried a goddamn shooting star press, but missed. AJ hit the Phenomenal Forearm for his first Mania win at 20:28. This was better than it had any right to be and better than both guys’ Mania matches last year. They told a great story, had lots of action and AJ bumped his ass off for Shane. My only major gripe was Shane kicking out of the Styles Clash. That should be protected. AJ Styles is the GOAT. [****¼]
WWE United States Championship: Chris Jericho (c) vs. Kevin Owens The order of the matches on this show was weird. Chris Jericho’s entrance was a thing of beauty. He had a giant List of Jericho, brought back the countdown and had a light up scarf. The match itself delivered. Kevin Owens talked all kinds of trash in between his offense. He’s such a great bastard. They brought out some cool spots and counters. Owens turning a rana into his own Walls of Jericho was cool but Jericho topped it by countering a cannonball into one. We got another finisher kickout when Jericho survived the Popup Powerbomb. He tried again but Jericho turned it into an awesome Codebreaker. Owens broke the pin by getting ONE FINGER on the bottom rope. JUST LIKE THE PAINTING FROM THE FESTIVAL OF FRIENDSHIP! Owens hit the apron powerbomb to win the title at 16:46. A top notch match and this Mania was off to a rocking start. I loved how they knew each other so well that they had to dig deep and pull out new things. Owens resorting to the apron bomb was awesome since he only uses it when he really needs it. [***½]
WWE Raw Women’s Championship: Bayley (c) vs. Charlotte vs. Nia Jax vs. Sasha Banks Sasha got a special entrance and was driven to the ring. She knew to avoid that ramp. Usually, I prefer an elimination stipulation since it means the winner has to truly earn it. However, I think it hurt this match. Things felt rushed at times. Nia dominated at first, so the other three teamed up and Shield powerbombed her out after about four minutes. BACK TO THE SAME THREE WOMEN RAW HAS SHOWCASED FOR MONTHS. Charlotte did her insane twisting plancha spot. Anti-climactically, Sasha was sent into the middle turnbuckle (which was supposed to be exposed judging by commentary) and eliminated. So she STILL can’t beat Charlotte on PPV. Also, why not do something with the Bayley/Sasha teases they’ve been building for weeks? Bayley and Charlotte did their standard back and forth before Bayley won with the elbow drop at 12:04. I don’t understand any of this. The match was fine enough but things didn’t make sense. Why not save Bayley’s big win for this show? Sure she showed she’s not a paper champion but that’s not enough. This could’ve been special. Also, no Sasha/Bayley stuff was lame and Bayley winning with the elbow lacked something. [**½]
WWE Raw Tag Team Championship Ladder Match: Karl Anderson and Luke Gallows (c) vs. Enzo Amore and Big Cass vs. Cesaro and Sheamus vs. The Hardy Boyz Yes, before the match the New Day introduced the returning Hardy Boyz to a MONSTER pop. It was a great “holy crap” moment even though the rumors had been swirling for a while. I was never a huge Hardys fan but even I marked. I have to give props to commentary for to shoving “WRESTLEMANIA MOMENT” down our throats during this. I dug this match because it did what some matches on this show failed to. It didn’t go overly long and was jam-packed with action. Cesaro and Sheamus were the MVPs here for me. They beat the crap out of everyone and it was delightful. Enzo took a few bumps, Cass had some good moments and the Club were good heels throughout. Jeff, the madman that he is, pulled out a Swanton off a giant ladder like it was 2001 all over again. Matt retrieved the titles at 11:03 and the Hardys are champions again. Like I said, this was a blast with non-stop action, a great moment and it didn’t overstay its welcome. [***¾]
John Cena and Nikki Bella vs. The Miz and Maryse Coming into this, you had to know what to expect. First, Maryse doesn’t wrestle anymore and Nikki needs time off to heal and is rumored to even possibly retire. So what we got was Miz and Cena handling the work but not trying to steal the show. Miz worked a heat on Cena and was great at talking crap to the fans and mocking Bryan. I got a chuckle out of seeing Cena give Nikki the hot tag. Nikki hit a suicide dive on Miz, who bumped wonderfully for her. The faces did stereo five knuckle shuffles and Attitude Adjustment/TKO spots to win at 9:36. This was fine for what it was, though they could’ve shaved off a few minutes from it. Then we got the moment it was all building towards, when Cena proposed to Nikki in the middle of the ring. Technically, doesn’t that validate Miz’s claims that Cena only does things for the camera? [**¼]
Non-Sanctioned Match: Seth Rollins vs. Triple H w/ Stephanie McMahon Triple H got a weird entrance. Him as a biker with Stephanie was fine but the police escort was strange. I’ve read mixed things on this match. Some loved it and some hated it. I’m somewhere in the middle. It started hot. They hockey fought like they were Owens and Zayn, getting this off to the kind of start it needed. The crowd ate it up but I think things hit a lull in the middle. Parts of it felt like filler and you could tell they were going for this long match. I don’t see why Triple H keeps trying to work these long, methodical matches. It’s not his strong suit. He has hit at Mania before (Bryan, Taker, Benoit and HBK) but has missed a bunch too (Orton, Jericho, Sting, Brock, etc.) He worked the leg, which made sense. Seth fought through the pain because of how badly he wanted to get at Triple H but it just dragged at times. Seth’s rally was fine and the finish worked. Stephanie took a bump through a table, which was great and better than her getting speared last year. Seth did the suck it taunt to HHH and beat him with a Pedigree at 25:22. It felt every bit as long. They had good ideas but didn’t execute the way I wanted. It should’ve been more like HBK/HHH from SummerSlam 02. Play to your strengths and cut some of the tedious HHH offense. [**¾]
WWE World Championship: Bray Wyatt (c) vs. Randy Orton This got lengthy build but I didn’t like all of it. I still say Randy should’ve been a real Wyatt and had the title come between them instead of being “undercover” the whole time. I wanted to like this but it was even worse than their crapty No Mercy match. I liked the mind games part where they kept projecting video of maggots, worms and roaches onto the ring. It was different and fit with the wacky feud. However, that was all there was to like. They didn’t mean much in the end anyway, since Orton won at 10:32 like it was nothing with an RKO. This felt rushed, they spammed finishers and had no cohesion. Also, why not keep the title on Bray? He had it just seven weeks and there was more to be done with him. Instead, it’s back to the status quo or yet another Randy reign and Bray looks like a joke again. Garbage. [½*]
WWE Universal Championship: Goldberg (c) vs. Brock Lesnar w/ Paul Heyman I had no intentions of watching this match. I even left to the bathroom for a while once I heard it was on next. However, I was done and Goldberg was still making his entrance so I thought, “what the hell?” At first, I just thought the match was fine and kept to the right length, going just 4:45. Looking back though, if I take away my hatred for this angle and how much I don’t care to see either guy anymore, I must see this was expertly booked. They played to the strengths of both men. Brock took Goldberg to suplex city but Goldberg popped up and speared him twice. It played into Goldberg having Brock’s number no matter what Brock tried. Brock became one of, if not the only man to kick out of the Jackhammer before winning with the F5. It was explosive, told the right story and kept short and sweet. Kudos to them for that. [***]
WWE Smackdown Women’s Championship: Alexa Bliss (c) vs. Becky Lynch vs. Carmella w/ James Ellsworth vs. Mickie James vs. Naomi vs. Natalya Naomi’s entrance in the big Mania stadium wasn’t quite as cool as I thought it would be. Somehow, both Mickie James and Becky Lynch dressed like Tatanka. The poor girls were given the death slot but props to them for trying hard. They had a lot of moving parts and not much time to get it all done. Each woman got a small moment to shine and I was particularly amused by the Alexa/Carmella interactions. There were a few sloppy moments but I can’t fully blame them because they were only given 5:32 to get a fair amount of crap in. Naomi won by making Alexa tap out. The crowd popped for the hometown girl though I don’t care for Naomi. I don’t think she’s championship material and is still painfully mediocre. Nice moment though. One thing I don’t like is how they made Alexa her bitch. Naomi beat her in several tags leading up to Elimination Chamber, beat her there and again here. Alexa never even got the best of her once. Anyway, this was fine energy and they worked hard. [**½]
Roman Reigns vs. The Undertaker Jim Ross joined commentary for this. They added a No Holds Barred stipulation at the last minute. Undertaker’s entrance went nearly as long as Brock/Goldberg AND he started at the middle of the ramp. At first, I thought Undertaker looked great. He dumped Reigns outside, said “It’s still my yard,” and moved well. Within minutes though, he looked sluggish. It got bad after he took a huge spear through an announce table spot. They made a mess of a Tombstone spot inside and things fell apart afterwards. I know it was the main event, but booking the Undertaker to work a 22:56 match at his age and condition was a bad move. The longer this went, the more it looked like Undertaker couldn’t handle this. Not in a “the younger guy is beating me” sort of way but in a “I should’ve retired a while back” kind of way. Not saying he should’ve, but that’s how he looked. Taker kicked out of multiple spears and refused to quite until a fourth one kept his down. They did the big passing of the torch to Roman but like his match with Triple H last year, it went too long and wasn’t good. [*½]
Though it was a shame to see Undertaker end his career in such a lame match, what came next was perfect He put his hate and coat back on and the lights went purple while his theme played. He removed his gloves, coat and hat, neatly placing them in the center of the ring. He left, kissed Michelle McCool in the front row and posed halfway up the ramp. The mechanism he used to rise in the middle of the stage lowered him under it and the lights completely went out to the sound of gongs. Hours after the show, his gloves, coat and hat remained untouched in the ring.
Overall: 7/10. This is a hard WrestleMania to rank. If we’re judging it purely on the undercard, it’s an all-time great. Styles/Shane opened with the clear MOTN, while the Cruiserweight Title, United States Title and Raw Tag Team Titles were all great matches. Though I largely prefer Smackdown to Raw, it was the Raw brand who came up better. They had about equal women’s matches, but their midcard and top title matches were much better. They also had Tag Team Title match, which was a blast. The show had several memorable moments (the Hardys, Cena proposing, Taker’s last moments) too. However, seven hours is so damn long. It suffered from a similar issue to last year’s show and that’s how it ended. Last year we got the battle royal, the awful Rock segment and an overly long main event on an overly long show. Here, after the Tag Title match, the quality dipped. Seth/HHH disappointed, Bray/Orton was a stinker and Reigns/Taker was hard to watch. If the last section of the show was better, it would be in the argument for one of the better Manias ever. Instead, it was a good but not great show.
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Post by Nivro™ on Apr 3, 2017 10:33:52 GMT -5
Im going to be up half the night watching NXT Takeover reruns. I cant go to sleep with this much stupid on my mind. It might cause permanent damage. Just think, the same company that gives us amazing events on Saturday nights books the same garbage we watch on Sunday nights. I cant believe you continue to watch on Sunday nights. You guys dont get it. All of you who mark over the Takeover events and new indy signings, are hooked. They have you. You have the network. You buy the merch. Raw is not booked for you. You're going to watch regardless of what they do. Not saying that Raw is always good, but they are not going to cater to the hardcore base. I fully expect a crap show at RAW or a crappy PPV like Backlash or Fastlane. However if you're going to cater to hardcore fan bases at your big 4, which is what WWE does, then you need to get your head out of your ass and book it properly. If not you get what you had last night. A 6 hour show that was nearly dead silence for a 70k stadium and a crowd that was asleep during the entire main event.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2017 11:18:05 GMT -5
I really am getting sick and tired of being trolled every single time I'm watching this product now. You can't even use the excuse that Vince is just doing this because he knows the kids and women love Reigns.....he just let Roman Reigns retire one of the top 5 performers in the history of the business....whom 80% of the audience he's selling Reigns to have barely an idea of what he's done (Undertaker). And all this while continuing Roman's position as the Top "good guy" in the company. That was an absolute GIGANTIC " you" to every single person that is against this Reigns crap, who pays for the Network, who supports their other favorite wrestlers, who watches the weekly program, and who. They are continuing to just troll everyone at this point. And nothing is ever going to change. I don't even know what to do about this anymore. But I know that it's gone way past the point of humorous. I legitimately cannot stand Reigns anymore. They have absolutely turned my stomach on this guy. They have given him more in the last 3 years than almost anyone ever. They are forcing this guy into the biggest moments and the biggest situations completely going against the fans because they KNOW how pissed off they are. They really are just setting up Reigns to main event his 4th Wrestlemania and take the title from Brock cementing him as the single greatest wrestler in the history of the business, because THAT will make every fan love him. It's the worst thing this company has ever done. And they are close to turning a 30 year fan away from them. Because the way things are going I'm starting to lose interest faster and faster by the day. I can't even get excited for things like The Hardy's coming back, because I'm pretty sure at some point they are gonna turn them heel and just let Roman Reigns beat them both at the same time. I'm getting sick and tired of Roman ing Reigns getting everything. It's not entertaining, it's not interesting, and it's really getting played out at this point
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Post by Jonathan Karate on Apr 3, 2017 11:23:29 GMT -5
I enjoyed the show last night.
It wasn't amazing but it wasn't anywhere close to horrible.
I'm not sure what some of you watched.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2017 11:28:12 GMT -5
I give it a 9/10. Would've been a 0/10, but the HARDYZ RETURNED
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Post by koreygunz on Apr 3, 2017 11:36:42 GMT -5
Mania was good overall, but if Reigns isn't booked as a heel starting tonight, this was all for nothing.
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Post by Kanenite on Apr 3, 2017 11:46:45 GMT -5
Honestly, I'm glad that many people enjoyed this Mania because, after all, enjoyment is the motivating factor in us watching. But it also makes me consider that the product has passed me by. It also seems that the closer we get to Mania each year, the less and less my personal enjoyment becomes. I've been thinking the same thing myself recently. It seems the last couple of Manias have Positive to mixed reactions online but it baffles me how anyone could enjoy them, especially WM 32 and 33. Like to me, last night's show was a complete dud; The Hardy's were the only thing I got hype about really. Maybe most of the fans accept the product being (IMO) worse, and it's time for me to move on as it isn't for me anymore. I think I might just watch the PPVs from now on, or maybe even find out what matches are worth watching, and stick to only the Rumble, WM, Summerslam and Survivor Series for Live stuff. I'll probably keep the Network though so I can watch old content.
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Post by The Natural Eddy Valintino on Apr 3, 2017 11:52:15 GMT -5
I would give this Mania a 6 out of 10. I loved the Cruiserweight Title match, the AJ vs Shane, the Ladder match, the Jericho vs KO match. Lesnar vs Goldberg was shorter than i thought but it was entertaining for what it was. Both Women's matches fell flat, Ambrose vs Corbin was not that good. Orton vs Wyatt was boring IMO. Reigns vs Taker tried to put on a great match even with No Holds Barred being added at last minute, but fell flat. Undertaker retiring after this was sad as a fan, but had to happen. Rollins vs HHH was good, but it should have been treated more as a fight than as a regular no DQ match. Mojo Rawley winning the Andre the Giant Memorial Battle Royal was s*** but i understand why it happened. Cena proposing to Nikki was choreographed, but congrats to them. I honestly didnt care for it cause i knew it was gonna happen
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2017 12:07:11 GMT -5
Rewatching the end of the main event is a real tearjerker. I'll miss that guy. He was like the final boss of the WWE and we'll never truly have anything like him again.
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Post by Browser Brody on Apr 3, 2017 12:07:13 GMT -5
wrestlemania this year was like eating a large pizza by yourself. it was all good, but waaaay too much and found myself not enjoying the final 1/3 of it.
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Post by King Richius on Apr 3, 2017 12:07:58 GMT -5
Some great pics on WWE.COM of WM weekend. I love this one. It epitomizes the feeling you get when you realize you are in a ladder match against the Hardy Boys and your chances of winning the titles just went down to zero:
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Post by POOR-ly Cuyler on Apr 3, 2017 12:12:28 GMT -5
I cant believe you continue to watch on Sunday nights. You guys dont get it. All of you who mark over the Takeover events and new indy signings, are hooked. They have you. You have the network. You buy the merch. Raw is not booked for you. You're going to watch regardless of what they do. Not saying that Raw is always good, but they are not going to cater to the hardcore base. I fully expect a crap show at RAW or a crappy PPV like Backlash or Fastlane. However if you're going to cater to hardcore fan bases at your big 4, which is what WWE does, then you need to get your head out of your ass and book it properly. If not you get what you had last night. A 6 hour show that was nearly dead silence for a 70k stadium and a crowd that was asleep during the entire main event. Mania isnt for hardcore fans. It hasnt been for years. Its a week long press event. Tonight is for hardcore fans.
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Post by Liv Is Life on Apr 3, 2017 12:31:36 GMT -5
A little over 12 hours removed and now with some time to reflect on what was an absolute and utter disappointment of a show last night. All I really wanted to say here I'd just how abysmal the booking of Roman Reigns has been. There was a time when he was my favorite former member of the Shield, and they have effectively ruined every ounce of that. Personally speaking, I have zero interest in seeing him dominate and rule the entire main event scene for the foreseeable future, it just does not interest me.
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Post by gentlemanjohnny on Apr 3, 2017 12:34:00 GMT -5
Easily one of the worst ppv's ever if not for the Hardys. Reigns is the worst main eventer I've ever seen. The bug thing in the Wyatt match was horrendous. That match sucked. Miz got all of the offense in that match and was still made to look like a jobber. Strowman was put on life support after losing to reigns and they pulled the plug when he didn't win the battle royal.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2017 12:44:10 GMT -5
I feel so sorry for many of you. Many of you act like the outcome of a wrestling PPV has just personally ruined your lives. It's quite sad and pathetic. I for one had a blast watching WM last night, instead of tearing apart and ranking every freaking match. Before you call me a noob, I have been watching since 1984 (!) and have seen it all (and yes wrestling has changed ALOT, some I like, some I don't, but can't some of you just try to enjoy yourselves?).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2017 13:38:36 GMT -5
Overall I enjoyed Mania. Taker vs Roman was terrible, but I expected it to be. Taker can't go anymore, and Roman can't carry a match. I don't know why they're so dead set on him being the top guy.
Hardyz returning was so awesome, I've always been a huge fan. I would have had JR call Rollins vs Triple or Brock vs Goldberg. Brock and Goldberg had an awesome match, way better than expected. Triple H vs Rollins was MOTN for me though.
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