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Post by cordless2016 on Apr 3, 2017 18:40:03 GMT -5
It was definatly better than last year, but I feel that it was still an overall lackluster show. It started great but ran out of gas in the second half.
Neville/Aries was fun and should have been on the main card. 3.5/5
The ATGMBR was fine for what it was. I don't like Mojo but it is what it is. 2/5.
Ambrose/Corbin should have been on the main card. They put on a solid match for what they were given. 2.5/5
AJ/Shane was fine. Some cool spots but no psychology what so ever. They were just moving from spot to spot but that was to be expected. 3/5
Owens/Jericho was lackluster. We all knew Owens was winning, but I expected something more memorable. 2.5/5
The Raw women's title match was also lackluster. The three of them attacking Nia was predictable and was similar to Big Show at WM2000. Sasha seemed to be eliminated out of nowhere, and Bailey eliminating her would have made more sense to build their tension. 2/5
The ladder match was entertaining. Yes not much psychology but that's expected in this type of match. The Hardyz returning was great, and I'm fine with them winning as well. MOTN IMO. 4/5
Cena/Nikki vs Miz/Maryse was bad. I expected some more ring work between the guys, but it was basically Miz getting a couple cheap shots, Cena overselling as we've seen him take far worse beat downs, and then Cena winning with his 5 moves of doom. 0.5/5
Rollins/HHH was to slow for my liking. Rollins having a bumb knee didn't help, but the match slowed down a lot and turned into a pedigree fest. Hunter's match with Dean last year still remains his best bout in one on one matches with the Shield guys. 2.5/5
Goldberg/Lesnar was very entertaining for what it was. Yes they didn't sell, but these two are treated like gods and it was a fun, stiff match. It was kept short and the right guy won. 3.5/5
Wyatt/Orton was the craps. No psychology and the weird distractions from Bray made no sense considering he still lost pretty easily. I'm done with Orton and sadly Bray once again looks like an idiot. 0.5/5
The SD Women's match was predictable but fine. Nothing to complain about considering they had limited time. 2/5
Roman/Taker sucked. No psychology what so ever and they were just moving from one big spot to another. They had a pretty big botch and it was hard to watch Taker, who could barely stand straight, try to get through this match. It also further proved Reigns needs someone to carry him and the silence from the fans at the end was worse than the boos. 1/5
Overall I'd give the show a 2/5.
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Post by Escape The Rules on Apr 3, 2017 23:52:55 GMT -5
Really enjoyed WrestleMania for the most part. The stage was incredible, the ramp looked amazing! The entrance were such a sight to behold. This is what I love the most about WrestleMania, the sheer spectacle of it all. The pre show matches weren't the best. The Cruiserweight match went on too long in my opinion, I wasn't even paying attention to it for the most part. The Battle Royal was a disaster, the final guys in the match were a joke, and I really could've done without the big goofy meathead getting involved. AJ vs. Shane was an incredible opener, loved it. Owens and Jericho was another great match. The 4 way Raw women's match more than delivered in terms of action, amazing, but the eliminations were a bit flat as was the finish. The Hardy Boyz returning was amazing, was kinda hopen for Broken Hardyz but I get it. The match was amazing thanks to these two. The mixed tag was mediocre and predictable, it might as well have been a midcard match on SmackDown. But it was only really there to set up the proposal which I get and I guess was a cool moment. Even if it felt contrived, rehearsed and set up for Total Bellas. Triple H vs. Rollins was not bad, amazing entrances but this was when I had to cool down a bit and wasn't really paying attention. I'll need to watch this one back again. I'm thankful for the Pitbull garbage because I'd been holding off going for a piss for hours. Hearing Kurt Angle get such an amazing reception was wonderful. Bray vs Randy was good but I was expecting some kind of big ending, it fell a bit flat. The maggots and worms on the ring was creepy as f*ck! Brock and Goldberg was great! An actual match instead of a squash and it didn't go too long like WrestleMania 20 to the point where it exploited any weaknesses. It only went 5 minutes but it was explosive the entire time. When you stop and think about what they did here, how they built this up over the last few months by setting everyone's expectations low, it was absolute genius. The SD women's match was good but it was only really there to bring the crowd down a bit. But given it's position on the card, the women deserve a lot of credit for this one. We've come a really long way from Lumberjill matches and BunnyMania. I have so many mixed feelings on the main event. It was so good to hear JR calling the action again. Knowing what we know now, the build for this match was absolutely terrible. This should've been a MUCH bigger deal, built up over the course of several months. Maybe Taker himself didn't want that, who knows, but the fact that it was thrown together in a few weeks with no fanfare is an absolute joke. And how much more are they going to ing do to try and make Roman Reigns the top guy in WWE? No one is EVER going to warm up to him, especially now. The fact that this guy was Undertaker's last match, whether Taker was cool with it or not, is an absolute joke. I would've rather seen him face John Cena. The match itself was actually painful to watch in the final moments, they made Undertaker look pathetic. And for who? Roman Reigns? As if anyone would believe that. As for the ending of WrestleMania itself, I still get goosebumps thinking about it. I've always thought about what The Undertaker's final farewell would be like. I just didn't imagine it would be so soon. I figured, when it was Taker's last, we'd know about it. I really can't believe we're never going to see The Undertaker wrestle in a WWE ring again. I started watching wrestling around 1998 when I was a 6 year old boy. I'm now 25. An adult. Just think about that for a second. The man has been with WWE longer than I've even been alive! I literally grew up watching him. I've been trying for a while and really don't know how to close this, so for more reasons than I can put into words: Thank you Undertaker. Thank you for everything.
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Post by TurboEddie on Apr 4, 2017 1:36:37 GMT -5
It's not as easy as that. Especially when you've devoted 30 years of your life to it. Ive devoted 17 years into watching, but there were times i stopped watching when i wasnt enjoying it. Example, after Fastlane, i stopped watching for a couple of weeks cause i did not want to frustrate myself. So yes, it is very easy to not watch despite being a long time wrestling fan. Its called self control and finding better things to waste 3 hours on. I feel some people here just like to complain about anything and everything when they could just not watch. Like, i dislike reality shows, but i dont complain about the Kardashians or Duck Dynasty and continue watching. Well, me then.
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Post by hbkjason on Apr 4, 2017 5:08:07 GMT -5
I thought it was a pretty good show. I do think it dragged a little towards the end, but to be fair any show is going to struggle to keep you hooked for five hours. I honestly do not have many complaints at all. I think it was one of the better Wrestlemanias of the last few years. For what it was I think Brock and Goldberg did a fantastic job. Hardy's were awesome and for the most part it was a really fun show. Just the length I think four hours is really pushing it for a PPV, but for Wrestlemania 4 hours is good.
One thing I have to say and I may get a little heat for this, but Randy Orton is terrible..... like really bad. He is such a boring in ring performer that I have actually started asking myself, was he ever actually any good? Sure he has a great look, but the majority of his feuds are not all that interesting and end up with very boring matches. This was the only thing on the card I did not like.
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Post by bigshab421 on Apr 4, 2017 8:51:29 GMT -5
More observations from actually being there on the show (I still haven't watched it on tv): - AJ/Shane was surprisingly good. I just wish the match would have been NO-DQ from the start instead of plodding along to the ref bump. The SSP from Shane was ing incredible, literally looked smooth as silk. I legit thought Shane was going to pick up the win because.......because its WWE. - Owens/Jericho needed to be the Universal Title match. The match was good but there was no real juice to it. If they were going to write Y2J off, they should have had Owens apron-bomb Jericho two or three times after the match, to really cement Owens as a bunghole heel. - Women's match was awful to me, mostly due to the fact that WWE had these blinding orange and blue lights that prevented the crowd from literally seeing the ring and the video board. There were tons of "Turn these lights off" and "We can't see" chants going on. They dimmed them towards the end of the Raw women's match and finally turned them off during HHH/Rollins thank god. - Ladder match was amazing start to finish. Hardyz return was easily the loudest thing I have ever heard and a great moment. I will say though, I am a bit tired of Enzo/Cass not ever winning a big match. I really thought this was going to be it but alas, the WWE continues to pull my heartstrings. These guys need the titles. They don't need a Demolition or New Day reign, but the more and more you dangle the carrot without ever getting a payoff, the crowd is going to stop caring. I hate the "Enzo sucks" excuse because there have been dozens of teams with worse wrestlers (and far less over) that have held gold; La Resistance, Santino/Kozlov, Deuce and Domino, Animal and Heidenreich, etc...... - HHH/Rollins in my opinion told a great story. The match was a tad too slow for my liking, but action picked up towards the end and the table spot sent the entire stadium into a frenzy. My one problem with Rollins is that they have stuck with giving him the Pedigree as his finisher. Not only is it an active legend's move, it is really dangerous considering his knee troubles. I really wish he could bring back the Curb Stomp, but at this point just give him a different finish now that the feud with HHH is over. Btw, where was Samoa Joe? really really odd. - I didn't watch Orton and Wyatt seeing as there was a 20 minute line for the bathroom and another 15 minutes for iceless, lukewarm drinks. - I actually loved the Goldberg/Lesnar match. Kinda wished that Brock and Goldberg had ground-n-pounded each other and got some blood going, but this was a fun fun fun five minutes of non stop action. The thing with this whole angle is that Goldberg is the face and has had the upper hand, while Lesnar was a heel looking for redemption. Redemption storylines don't work if the heel is chasing redemption, it just doesn't make much sense. Also I gotta say because of that dynamic, I sorta feel bad for Goldberg, there was no need for this feud to be more than one match. I don't like Goldberg, but he should not have won the title, BUT he also should have never lost to Lesnar. It was just a weird scenario having him basically go 3-1 against Lesnar, but having him lose the feud and the title without a mention of a rematch or anything on RAW. This is why the title should have never been on the line. This feud would have been great had Lesnar crushed him at Survivor Series, Goldberg eliminated Brock at Rumble, and then got his comeuppance at Mania. - SD Women's match wasn't bad, but I gotta say, I don't know if its because she was from Orlando or because they genuinely love her, but Naomi is super over with the crowd. - And the final match.....The crowd was drained, and once JR was introduced, they all knew what was about to happen. It was literally like watching someone die, and there was nothing anyone could do. It was somber, unbelievable actually. The match itself was okay, but the fact that they made Taker look like a bitch actually disgusts me. I know the storyline was that his body wasn't there anymore but its just such a stupid way to go out, especially for a guy that just battled Lesnar and Shane McMahon in Hell in a Cell recently (and looked good doing it). And I only feel this way because the build up was absolute trash and there was really no hinting to whether or not it was his last match. I think that if they would have built this as his potential last match, the crowd would have been more energetic and the match itself would have been better. I am convinced that Roman is going to never be able to shake this now. You don't retire to someone who isn't ready for it. Look at Flair, he was retired by Michaels...Michaels by Taker.....Taker by Reigns.......DOES NOT MAKE SENSE. IT DOES NO FAVORS FOR REIGNS. Taker should have hung it up after Brock or even Wyatt. These last two Manias did nobody any favors, only created more resentment towards WWE and Reigns. Overall, it was the best show I ever have been to. A lot of things to complain about and nitpick, but also a bunch of really really good things too. I would rate this a 7/10.
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Post by punksnotdead on Apr 4, 2017 9:05:12 GMT -5
I was at the show. I'm interested to see how watching it back changes or affirms my opinions. I thought the first half was really outstanding. The crowd was on fire, the matches were good, the Hardy return was incredible. The second half hit a pretty big lull for me, sometime after H/Rollins. Goldberg/Lesnar was good for what it was, and I liked what they did. Orton/Wyatt was absolutely terrible in person and I'm done giving Randy Orton a pass. The guy is a flat out chore to watch. The angle was horrible, the match was worse. Taker/Reigns was a disaster in person. With no emotion coming from the commentators, it was just a tired crowd watching a guy who stayed around one year too long struggle to piece together a match against a guy who still very clearly needs the right opponent to have a good match. Reigns looked bad. Taker looked worse. Taker's goodbye was surreal and moving, and I'm definitely happy I was there to witness it. I was there as well and I felt that the ladder match sucked most of the life out of the stadium. We were just gassed, and especially going into the last hour or hour and a half even. I totally agree on Orton/Bray and Reigns/Taker. We briefly discussed getting up and leaving during the main event. I was genuinely torn between hating what I was watching and knowing this was it for Taker and wanting to see it through until the end. I do think Bray vs Orton was the worst match on the main card though. I think Bray and Orton are both gimmick match guys that really could have used one in that spot, a cage or something. It could have used a run-in too. I enjoyed the hell out of Rollins vs HHH live, but I thought it was even better when I watched it on the Network yesterday. Rollins hit the Phoenix Splash and I was the only person in my vicinity who jumped up for it. I felt like a bit of a goof but that's the first time he's actually hit it in WWE to my knowledge and I thought it was a great moment. I also loved the story they were telling with the knee and I thought Rollins hitting the buckle bomb should have gotten a bigger pop. The end was obviously fantastic, and I think the crowd came around for it, but it definitely felt like most of the live audience was fatigued for the entire second half of the main card. I love wrestling, I think most people in that stadium love wrestling, but we sat there from 5pm to 12am. That is asking a ton from your live audience to be invested and hyped for that length of time. I think all things considered, the crowd was great too. Despite entering hours 6 and 7, we still popped for the Rollins/HHH finish, the Brock/Goldberg match, Kurt Angle, and then Taker's entrance and exit. I really did enjoy the show. I would have had Aries win the CW title and Alexa retain, but beyond that, I think most of the right outcomes happened. The Taker thing just was what it was. He's done, and Reigns was the guy they picked. So my issue was that they picked Reigns from the start and not so much that Reigns shouldn't have won. I think it's a travesty we will have come this close to Sting vs Taker and Cena vs Taker we didn't get either at Mania.
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Post by bigshab421 on Apr 4, 2017 9:52:17 GMT -5
I was at the show. I'm interested to see how watching it back changes or affirms my opinions. I thought the first half was really outstanding. The crowd was on fire, the matches were good, the Hardy return was incredible. The second half hit a pretty big lull for me, sometime after H/Rollins. Goldberg/Lesnar was good for what it was, and I liked what they did. Orton/Wyatt was absolutely terrible in person and I'm done giving Randy Orton a pass. The guy is a flat out chore to watch. The angle was horrible, the match was worse. Taker/Reigns was a disaster in person. With no emotion coming from the commentators, it was just a tired crowd watching a guy who stayed around one year too long struggle to piece together a match against a guy who still very clearly needs the right opponent to have a good match. Reigns looked bad. Taker looked worse. Taker's goodbye was surreal and moving, and I'm definitely happy I was there to witness it. I was there as well and I felt that the ladder match sucked most of the life out of the stadium. We were just gassed, and especially going into the last hour or hour and a half even. I totally agree on Orton/Bray and Reigns/Taker. We briefly discussed getting up and leaving during the main event. I was genuinely torn between hating what I was watching and knowing this was it for Taker and wanting to see it through until the end. I do think Bray vs Orton was the worst match on the main card though. I think Bray and Orton are both gimmick match guys that really could have used one in that spot, a cage or something. It could have used a run-in too. I enjoyed the hell out of Rollins vs HHH live, but I thought it was even better when I watched it on the Network yesterday. Rollins hit the Phoenix Splash and I was the only person in my vicinity who jumped up for it. I felt like a bit of a goof but that's the first time he's actually hit it in WWE to my knowledge and I thought it was a great moment. I also loved the story they were telling with the knee and I thought Rollins hitting the buckle bomb should have gotten a bigger pop. The end was obviously fantastic, and I think the crowd came around for it, but it definitely felt like most of the live audience was fatigued for the entire second half of the main card. I love wrestling, I think most people in that stadium love wrestling, but we sat there from 5pm to 12am. That is asking a ton from your live audience to be invested and hyped for that length of time. I think all things considered, the crowd was great too. Despite entering hours 6 and 7, we still popped for the Rollins/HHH finish, the Brock/Goldberg match, Kurt Angle, and then Taker's entrance and exit. I really did enjoy the show. I would have had Aries win the CW title and Alexa retain, but beyond that, I think most of the right outcomes happened. The Taker thing just was what it was. He's done, and Reigns was the guy they picked. So my issue was that they picked Reigns from the start and not so much that Reigns shouldn't have won. I think it's a travesty we will have come this close to Sting vs Taker and Cena vs Taker we didn't get either at Mania. That's the one that hurts imo. Cena would have been able to shoulder the backlash and weight of retiring somebody, because he allready is established as the face of WWE. Sting/Taker to me, did not even need a match, it could have been a face off in the Royal Rumble. That would have most likely sufficed the thirst of fans. Just to have that moment.
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Post by punksnotdead on Apr 4, 2017 10:26:50 GMT -5
That's the one that hurts imo. Cena would have been able to shoulder the backlash and weight of retiring somebody, because he allready is established as the face of WWE. Sting/Taker to me, did not even need a match, it could have been a face off in the Royal Rumble. That would have most likely sufficed the thirst of fans. Just to have that moment. Agreed on Sting/Taker. I think Sting coming out at Survivor Series was his great moment in WWE. So I think we could have gotten something similar between him and Taker in the Rumble where it was more of a stair down with everyone in the ring just backing away in awe, or even leaving the ring (through the middle rope) to give them space. At which point, you just let the crowd take it all in and then do a few minutes of them really going at each other, trade finishers or whatever, and then have the Rumble sort of continue on its path where maybe Reigns eliminated them both at the same time or something (getting back to what was happening this year for Mania). I think fans wanted that Sting/Taker moment, be it at Mania or wherever, and we never got it.
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Post by JokerFC on Apr 4, 2017 17:57:47 GMT -5
It was definatly better than last year, but I feel that it was still an overall lackluster show. It started great but ran out of gas in the second half. Neville/Aries was fun and should have been on the main card. 3.5/5 The ATGMBR was fine for what it was. I don't like Mojo but it is what it is. 2/5. Ambrose/Corbin should have been on the main card. They put on a solid match for what they were given. 2.5/5 AJ/Shane was fine. Some cool spots but no psychology what so ever. They were just moving from spot to spot but that was to be expected. 3/5 Owens/Jericho was lackluster. We all knew Owens was winning, but I expected something more memorable. 2.5/5 The Raw women's title match was also lackluster. The three of them attacking Nia was predictable and was similar to Big Show at WM2000. Sasha seemed to be eliminated out of nowhere, and Bailey eliminating her would have made more sense to build their tension. 2/5 The ladder match was entertaining. Yes not much psychology but that's expected in this type of match. The Hardyz returning was great, and I'm fine with them winning as well. MOTN IMO. 4/5 Cena/Nikki vs Miz/Maryse was bad. I expected some more ring work between the guys, but it was basically Miz getting a couple cheap shots, Cena overselling as we've seen him take far worse beat downs, and then Cena winning with his 5 moves of doom. 0.5/5 Rollins/HHH was to slow for my liking. Rollins having a bumb knee didn't help, but the match slowed down a lot and turned into a pedigree fest. Hunter's match with Dean last year still remains his best bout in one on one matches with the Shield guys. 2.5/5 Goldberg/Lesnar was very entertaining for what it was. Yes they didn't sell, but these two are treated like gods and it was a fun, stiff match. It was kept short and the right guy won. 3.5/5 Wyatt/Orton was the craps. No psychology and the weird distractions from Bray made no sense considering he still lost pretty easily. I'm done with Orton and sadly Bray once again looks like an idiot. 0.5/5 The SD Women's match was predictable but fine. Nothing to complain about considering they had limited time. 2/5 Roman/Taker sucked. No psychology what so ever and they were just moving from one big spot to another. They had a pretty big botch and it was hard to watch Taker, who could barely stand straight, try to get through this match. It also further proved Reigns needs someone to carry him and the silence from the fans at the end was worse than the boos. 1/5 Overall I'd give the show a 2/5. Pretty much agreed on everything here. my negatives I had no interest in AJ vs Shane because as I have said 500 times on here Shane McMahon should not be portrayed as the "equal of" or a "threat to" a wrestler of Styles stature. Ditto for UT last year and the likes of Kane, Kurt etc before him. I am taken out of an angle he is involved in physically straight away. Wyatt looks like a total turnip after their match. It was so predictable that the RKO that finished it was inbound. RR vs Taker was awful....and not because UT lost- I expected that but the booking was unflattering to both men. and I think that this miscalculation from Vince will be costly. Reigns will be treated like Batista was a few years back from here on in. Cena vs Miz w wives was sh***te. My God it was brutal...... I enjoyed everything else!!!
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Post by bigshab421 on Apr 5, 2017 7:37:32 GMT -5
So general consensus is that the show plummeted to a fiery crash after HHH/Rollins?
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Post by marino13 on Apr 5, 2017 19:14:42 GMT -5
I actually read someone on YouTube said that Triple H forced a sick injured Rollins into a longer match in an attempt to outshine Undertaker's last match. And that forced WWE in to not giving as much time to Reigns vs Taker. Because you know.... that match need so much more time than it already got. THAT right there is why you avoid the comment section on YouTube people. You meet some dumb mother****ers.
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Post by dixol on Apr 7, 2017 22:42:18 GMT -5
I dunno if this has been posted yet, but here's the fan match that broke out in the stands during the preshow.
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Post by That 80s Guy on Apr 9, 2017 13:18:00 GMT -5
-- Becky Lynch reminded me of Adam Ant.
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Post by J12 on Apr 10, 2017 13:17:35 GMT -5
I dunno if this has been posted yet, but here's the fan match that broke out in the stands during the preshow. The crowd was going insane during this. I was on the other side of the stadium, so I couldn't see, but I had friends sitting just above this, texting me and filling me in as it was happening. You can hear some of the crowd reacting during the pre-show.
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Post by A-Rob on Apr 10, 2017 16:46:59 GMT -5
I dunno if this has been posted yet, but here's the fan match that broke out in the stands during the preshow. I could only see a bit of it from my seat but i heard the fans losing their $#!t. I think this happened during the downtime between Neville/Aries and The Andre Battle Royal.
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Post by dixol on Apr 10, 2017 20:05:42 GMT -5
I dunno if this has been posted yet, but here's the fan match that broke out in the stands during the preshow. I could only see a bit of it from my seat but i heard the fans losing their $#!t. I think this happened during the downtime between Neville/Aries and The Andre Battle Royal. It happened before any real matches took place.
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Post by Truth HuRts on Apr 10, 2017 20:51:55 GMT -5
WOW people hate on Orton saying he's terrible and he doesn't deserve it of course he deserves the title he ain't had the title in 3 years
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Post by J12 on Apr 11, 2017 10:52:19 GMT -5
WOW people hate on Orton saying he's terrible and he doesn't deserve it of course he deserves the title he ain't had the title in 3 years Not having something for three years doesn't mean that you've earned it by default. People are saying he doesn't deserve it because the match was terrible, the entire feud is terrible, and everything Randy Orton has done for the last several years has been a total disappointment. It's fine to be a fan of the guy, but people's negative opinions of him are certainly justified. No one goes through the motions and phones it in like Randy Orton.
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Post by bigshab421 on Apr 12, 2017 7:52:25 GMT -5
WOW people hate on Orton saying he's terrible and he doesn't deserve it of course he deserves the title he ain't had the title in 3 years Not having something for three years doesn't mean that you've earned it by default. People are saying he doesn't deserve it because the match was terrible, the entire feud is terrible, and everything Randy Orton has done for the last several years has been a total disappointment. It's fine to be a fan of the guy, but people's negative opinions of him are certainly justified. No one goes through the motions and phones it in like Randy Orton. i like Orton, but I am with you. The guy doesn't deserve a main title run, he's lazy and just doesn't seem to care that much any more. He should be working with younger/midcard guys and eating losses to help them get over.
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