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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2017 8:36:31 GMT -5
I was at Summerslam last night and let me tell you, NOBODY liked Roman Reigns! Braun and Joe were over like crazy and Brock was somewhat over. I hated the finish of the Mahal vs Nakamura match. So anticlimactic. I mean this in the best way possible, the main event was a car wreck! I would say that and Styles vs Owens were my favorite matches. Glad Natalya won the title as it's been years since she's held wwe gold. I'm very surprised Carmella didn't at least do guest commentary for this match. Overall it was a very good show. Like I said I liked the main event and Styles retaining. I liked the women's matches. The Kurt Angle/Daniel Bryan segment was gold. New Day vs Usos was awesome as was the other tag title match. It was great to see the Demon back and he was over like crazy. Everything else I either didn't see or didn't like. I missed the first two prelim matches and I went to the restroom when Randy Orton came out so I missed his(apparently short) match.
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Post by bigshab421 on Aug 21, 2017 9:41:03 GMT -5
People who complain Nakamura should have won aren't seeing the whole picture.
I feel like they are going to have him win all feuds but when the title is on the line something happens or he comes up short. Then he will win the Rumble and face his buddy Styles at Mania, in a 5 star classic
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Aug 21, 2017 9:56:09 GMT -5
WWE SummerSlam 2017 August 20th, 2017 | Barclays Center in Brooklyn, New York
Oh, boy. These six hour shows tend to be very middle of the pack.
Bo Dallas, Curtis Axel and WWE Intercontinental Champion The Miz w/ Maryse vs. The Hardy Boyz and Jason Jordan This match just happened on Raw last week. It started around 5:30PM EST and the crowd was mostly still outside the arena. Not a good look. The Hardys returned at Mania in front of a massive crowd and were back to working in front of GFW/TNA levels of empty seats. Anyway, the match was similar to the one on Raw, but flowed better and didn’t go too long. That helped things out. Jeff took most of the heat for his team and Matt got the hot tag to several “DELETE” chants. Jordan eventually got another hot tag of sorts, throwing Dallas and Axel around. The finish saw a barrage of moves from everyone until Jordan went for the Angle Slam. Miz had blind tagged in and planted Jordan with the Skull Crushing Finale at 10:33. It was a match. Wasn’t too bad, wasn’t too interesting either. Miz deserves better. [**]
WWE Cruiserweight Championship: Akira Tozawa [c] w/ Titus O’Neil vs. Neville Neville brought out the all white gear tonight. There was a lot of back and forth stuff early on, but the crowd wasn’t very invested. Despite things playing out evenly early, it felt like Tozawa may have had Neville’s number. He locked in the Octopus Hold and got two near falls shortly after. Neville responded by going after the previously injured shoulder, though I’d have liked more focus on that throughout. Neville cut Tozawa off up top and ended up getting his knees up to block the senton that beat him on Raw. Neville followed with the Red Arrow to the back to regain the title in 11:44. Solid match, with some issues. A lackluster crowd hurt it and I wish there was better psychology related stuff earlier, though the finish was nice. I don’t get the point of doing the title switch for no real reason. [***]
WWE Smackdown Tag Team Championship: The New Day [c] w/ Kofi Kingston vs. The Usos The Kickoff MAIN EVENT! These teams tore the house down last month, though we got Big E instead of Kofi Kingston this time. The most important thing to note, was that Xavier Woods was still involved. He came out looking like a star. He played a great face in peril and the Usos were great at cutting off the hot tag. Big E got to run wild once he got it, which was when the action and pace picked up. The Usos busted out some new offense, including an incredible spot where they did the Alley-Uce from in the ring to the outside. I’ve never seen anyone do that. New Day came close to winning, but the pin was broken up. I completely bought into it. The same could be said for a splash spot on Woods at one point. Big E had a tope suicida cut off with a superkick, before being taken out with a splash. Woods ate another splash for another title switch in 19:12. Slightly below their Battleground match, but still something great. This was the first thing the crowd got excited for, the chemistry between the teams was off the charts and we even got a bit of history. The Usos joined Edge & Christian, the Dudley Boyz, the Hardy Boyz and the New Age Outlaws as the only teams to win four Tag Team Titles. [****¼]
The main card began here.
Baron Corbin vs. John Cena Seeing John Cena open a show is strange. He was in a playful mood, going to commentary to say that Corbin was “shook.” About a week ago, Corbin looked to be in line for something big. He had a marquee match with Cena and the Money in the Bank briefcase. He lost his cash-in and looked weak here. At no point did he look like a legitimate threat. I think Corbin’s at his best against smaller opponents who bump well for him (Zayn, Kalisto), which isn’t Cena’s style. Most of Cena’s recent run has been very basic, paint-by-numbers stuff and this was no different. Cena won via Attitude Adjustment in 10:11. It wasn’t bad, it just felt like something that I’d see on a house show or TV. It didn’t belong on Pay-Per-View at all. Corbin had a horrible week, while Cena moves on to Raw most likely. [**¼]
WWE Smackdown Women’s Championship: Naomi [c] vs. Natalya It was almost impossible to get interested in this one. Two bland women in a big time title match. That was clear from the crowd response, as they basically sat on their hands for this entire match. To be fair, they tried their hardest. Natalya brought good offense and Naomi bumped around quite well. I thought Natalya was a solid bully and she didn’t throw in too much of her awkward character work that tends to drag her matches down. I liked the tease of Carmella watching from the back, teasing her cash-in. Naomi fired up and rallied, but in surprising fashion, it wasn’t enough. Natalya slapped on her second Sharpshooter and Naomi had no choice but to tap out after 10:50. Natalya as champion sounds painful, but this was better than expected. Good effort, though the crowd didn’t care about any of it. No Carmella cash-in was disappointing. [**¾]
Big Cass vs. Big Show Enzo Amore was suspended in a shark cage above the ring. It was nowhere near as high as Paul Ellering or Chris Jericho in recent months. Anyway, this was pitiful. Whoever thought giving Show and Cass s10:27 is a moron. It was so boring. Show sold his hand a bunch and Cass’ offense was dreadful. Enzo put the spotlight on himself with his antics in the cage, before lubing himself up, stripping to his boxers and escaping the cage. It all led to an instant big boot. So again, Enzo looked like a complete loser. Cass hit two big boots and the Empire Elbow to mercifully end this. Up there with Rusev/Cena and the House of Horrors for worst WWE PPV match this year. [DUD]
Randy Orton vs. Rusev this. Rusev jumped Orton before the match to give himself an advantage. As soon as the bell rang, Orton hit the RKO and won in 0:09. Randy’s stunk up the joint for most of 2017 and took losses on four straight PPVs, so I knew he’d win here, but seriously? Honest question coming up. Other than the 1.3 billion people in India, why isn’t Rusev in Jinder’s spot? Not making a knock on Jinder, but Rusev is great in the ring and super charismatic. He deserves better than this crap. [NR]
WWE Raw Women’s Championship: Alexa Bliss [c] vs. Sasha Banks Sasha came out with a peacock like headdress. The good thing about these two is that their reported legitimate beef has led to some stiff shots in their matches. This was no different. I thought the opening minutes of this delivered in spades. Unfortunately, it seemed to drag on in the back half. Alexa worked the arm and it wasn’t all that interesting at that point. Sasha made a comeback and won with the Bank Statement in 13:17, but that finish felt very anti-climactic. It felt like they realized the finish was coming up and had to rush it after taking a while with most of the back half stuff. Like I said, I thought the opening stretch was great, but we got half a strong match here. I’m also not sure about putting the title on Sasha here. [**½]
Bray Wyatt vs. Finn Balor I watched this show with my girlfriend, who was mainly waiting for Finn. His “Demon” paint was cool and I liked that it felt like he was a different person from the guy who lost to Bray on Monday. Too often, the “Demon” wrestles just like Finn. There needs to be something to set him apart. They did some good mind games like moments, including one where they had a cool staredown. Finn was more aggressive than usual here and had to escape Sister Abigail more than a few times. In the end, Bray attempted his spider walk thing, but Finn just got up and was having none of it. That took Bray aback and Finn finished him with a flurry capped by the Coup de Grace in 10:41. Not a match many will probably remember, though I thought it was solid and the best thing on the main show thus far. I got a kick out of seeing the paint for the first time in a year and Finn got a much-needed win. Plus, it was the first good Bray singles match on PPV this year. [***]
WWE Raw Tag Team Championship: Cesaro and Sheamus [c] vs. Dean Ambrose and Seth Rollins The mini-Shield reunion has been fun and has potential to be a highlight of the rest of 2017. Dean and Seth have been lost in the shuffle of the singles scene on Raw and could be a kick in the ass for the tag division. Take note, NJPW. The crowd was into this, but really got going when Cesaro hopped into the stands and popped a beach ball some bored fans were playing with. This was not the match to pull something like that, as it was a lot of fun. There were great tandem moments from both teams, awesome spots and close near falls. Cesaro and Sheamus are a great team that I think get very underrated. The end saw Seth super rana Cesaro into Sheamus and Dean, causing a huge car wreck like scene. Seth then hit superkicks and his Rainmaker V-Trigger spot, before Dean got the win with Dirty Deeds in 18:34. Awesome match. Lots of action, a match that moved along briskly and had a hot crowd. Once Cesaro popped the beach ball, this picked up and never stopped. I’m all for a big rematch at the next Raw PPV. The Tag Title matches shined tonight. [****]
WWE United States Championship: AJ Styles [c] vs. Kevin Owens Shane McMahon was the special guest referee. These two have had good matches, marred by cheap finishes and shenanigans. This followed that trope. The action was mostly good, as these are two of the best in the world (with AJ being THE best), even though a few moves weren’t as crisp as they should’ve been. My main gripe was the focus on Shane. I totally understand that this was all to set up Owens/Shane, but they beat us over the head with the idea that Shane is the one ref who could take a hit. He got hit over and over again. There was a funny moment where Owens got upset at him, shouting, “YOU CAN FALL OFF BUILDINGS BUT YOU CAN’T GET UP TO MAKE A COUNT?” AJ eventually won with the Phenomenal Forearm in 17:23. They told a great story, but some parts were wacky and didn’t hit the way they needed to for this to be truly great. [***¾]
WWE Championship: Jinder Mahal [c] w/ The Singh Brothers vs. Shinsuke Nakamura Nakamura got his violinist for his entrance. My feelings about Mahal were magnified in this match. He hit on the heel mannerisms and looked the part, but a lot of the in-ring stuff missed the mark. This started fine, with a fair amount of action and Nakamura being his charismatic self. It quickly slowed down as Jinder took over on offense. That segment was mostly dull. Nakamura attempted to make his comeback, only for the Singh Brothers to get involved. Stop me if you’ve heard this before. Nakamura fought them off and then fell to a weak looking Khallas in 11:25. I may have been too nice with this score, but there was potential for a good match in there. It got ruined by a dull middle and the overdone, already boring Jinder match finish. Also, it was an odd way for Nakamura to lose. He just beat John Cena clean and survived an AA, but lost in relatively easy fashion here. Strange. [**¾]
WWE Universal Championship: Brock Lesnar [c] w/ Paul Heyman vs. Braun Strowman vs. Roman Reigns vs. Samoa Joe Ah, now this is more I like it. A major title match that felt like a big deal and delivered like one. I wanted a war and that’s exactly what I got. This was magnificently chaotic. Braun came out looking like the biggest star in the world. He owned Lesnar, putting him through two tables and dropping a third on top of him. Brock did the stretcher job to avoid doing too much work. Braun also launched the announcer’s chair again, because he’s awesome. Reigns got booed every time he did something, while Joe was kind of just there. Not that he was bad, but he didn’t play a major role and I wish he did. Although, he did come close a few times with the Coquina Clutch. Brock made his return and went right at Braun. It was incredible to see Brock sell so much for a non-part timer. We had several broken tables, a broken guardrail, chairs and four beefy dudes beating the crap out of each other. What more could I ask for? The multi-man match doesn’t always work, but WWE got it right this time around. Brock retained after hitting Reigns with an F5 at 20:52, to end a fantastic match. This was one of the best SummerSlam main events ever. I gave the same score to the closing matches in 1992, 2009 and 2013, but that’s about it. [****½]
Overall: 6/10. As is the case with a lot of these six hour affairs, this was a mixed bag. When the show hit, it was rad. When it missed, it struck out by a mile. There were three standout matches. The two Tag Team Title matches were absolutely must-see and the Universal Title match was an incredible spectacle. Go out of your way to see them. I thought AJ/Owens was very good, while Bray/Finn and the Cruiserweight Title were solid. The rest of the show could be skipped for the most part. The Women’s Title matches were alright. The WWE Title match was lackluster and Corbin/Cena felt like something I’d see on a house show. Rusev/Orton and Cass/Show were absolute travesties.
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Post by tg11 on Aug 21, 2017 9:56:49 GMT -5
Jinder Mahal after retaining the WWE Championship it begs the question of who his opponent will be? I mean he has beaten Orton not once not twice but 3 times and then he has beaten Nakamura and he beat Baron Corbin to retain his title so after that it begs the question of who will be next to face Jinder?
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Post by k5 on Aug 21, 2017 10:02:51 GMT -5
main event was fast paced and action filled. strowman looked awesome! solid main event
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Post by tg11 on Aug 21, 2017 10:12:58 GMT -5
Lesnar going over beating Strowman, Joe and Reigns I mean it begs the question of just when we see Brock again? I mean I can't expect him to work the next RAW PPV that being No Mercy but if Brock is advertised for it then if Brock defends his title then who will he face? But if not then I don't think we will see him again until either Survivor Series or Royal Rumble at the latest
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Post by JCF on Aug 21, 2017 10:29:33 GMT -5
Jinder Mahal after retaining the WWE Championship it begs the question of who his opponent will be? I mean he has beaten Orton not once not twice but 3 times and then he has beaten Nakamura and he beat Baron Corbin to retain his title so after that it begs the question of who will be next to face Jinder? Bobby Roode
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Post by tg11 on Aug 21, 2017 10:31:50 GMT -5
Bobby Roode I can see him staying in NXT for at least another few months before he comes up to the main roster thinking the night after WrestleMania 34 he shows up on RAW or he shows up on the Smackdown after WrestleMania 34
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Post by Codyverse: Tag Team Champion on Aug 21, 2017 10:49:42 GMT -5
The main event was awesome.
A year and a half ago people hated Braun and said he didn't even belong. Now he's stealing the show at SummerSlam and is turning into a huge babyface. That guy is a superstar.
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Aug 21, 2017 10:57:33 GMT -5
Say what you want about Reigns but atleast he took the pin to make Strowman and Joe look strong.
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Post by tg11 on Aug 21, 2017 11:00:01 GMT -5
Lesnar apparently is advertised for No Mercy so if that means he defends the title then against who?
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Aug 21, 2017 11:10:34 GMT -5
One thing I would like to know. Why is Brock champion?
Last night proved that he doesn't want to work long matches because Strowman destroying him was just an excuse to give him a break while the the other guys carried the match. He doesn't put any effort into his matches so is he really worth the money?
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Post by ahunter8056 on Aug 21, 2017 11:51:50 GMT -5
So, Summerslam was an okay show. Only two stand-out matches (Usos/New Day, Fatal 4 Way), but at least there weren't any unexpected "what the was that crap?!" results. Personally I was very happy with the results. Only three matches didn't have my personal preferred winner. Here is my take on each match: 1) The Hardy Boyz & Jason Jordan VS The Miztourage - Okay match. Personally I just very sad for the empty arena, thinking of all the people that were probably excited to see the Hardy Boyz, and then them already having had their match before the fans could even enter the arena. I don't see why this continues to happen. I'd hate to pay money, being excited to see someone and then miss out on seeing them because of crapty organising on the part of the arena (I assume it's the arena's fault). 2) Neville VS Akira Tozawa (Cruiserweight Championship) - Decent match, happy to see Neville regain his championship. In my opinion, Neville is the only real star of the entire division. 3) The Usos VS The New Day (SmackDown Live Tag Team Championships) - Excellent match, but disappointed to see The New Day lose their titles. Still, with the quality of the match, that softens it considerably. 4) John Cena VS Baron Corbin - Decent match. However I genuinely wonder if they have a plan for Corbin now. 5) Natalya VS Naomi (SmackDown Live Women's Championship) - So pleased to see Naomi finally lose her title. I can't stand her, so seeing her no longer on top of the division is something I loved to see. Despite how stale Natalya has been, she actually seemed reinvigorated. I really hope to see Natalya shine after this. 6) Big Cass VS Big Show - Mediocre match, and I really don't care for Enzo, so this didn't appeal to me, especially with how much microphone time he had before the match with his grating voice. 7) Randy Orton VS Rusev - It...was a match involving a single move. I don't really know what to say about this one. 8) Sasha Banks VS Alexa Bliss (RAW Women's Championship) - I WAS SO PLEASED WITH THIS RESULT!!! Finally, Sasha Banks is back where she belongs, on top of the RAW women's division. As much as I enjoy Alexa Bliss, WWE has really had a hard on for her for the past year, super-pushing her to the top of both the SmackDown Live and RAW rosters. So it's good to finally see her pushed aside in favour of someone I enjoy even more. 9) Finn Balor VS Bray Wyatt - Good match. Great to see Demon Balor once again. 10) Dean Ambrose & Seth Rollins VS Sheamus & Cesaro (RAW Tag Team Championships) - The Shield is finally back (albeit 2/3), and they looked absolutely fantastic in this match! Great match. 11) AJ Styles VS Kevin Owens (United States Championship) - Good match, but not the match of the night I was expecting. Shane McMahon as the Special Guest Referee was handled well in my view. 12) Jinder Mahal VS Shinsuke Nakamura (WWE Championship) - Entirely to be expected, but WWE haven't pulled the plug on the Jinder experiment yet, unfortunately. I didn't expect Mahal to win clean though. 13) Fatal Four Way (Universal Championship) - My god, this was a brilliant match! Just a pure joy to watch throughout, despite how incredibly disappointed I am that Brock Lesnar retained. I don't know why Vince McMahon is happy to keep the title on someone who is barely around, making the World championship look like a complete joke. I was hoping Lesnar would disappear until WrestleMania time (and it certainly looked that way), but unfortunately the slacker came back. I have no problem with Lesnar being a part-timer, but having a World title on him while being a part-timer is a huge problem, and it's bewildering why Vince has made the same mistake twice, and clearly doesn't consider it to be a mistake.
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Post by J12 on Aug 21, 2017 11:55:36 GMT -5
Say what you want about Reigns but atleast he took the pin to make Strowman and Joe look strong. That seemed like less about making Joe and Strowman look strong than it did about furthering the story between Lesnar and Reigns. The first encounter was a draw because of Seth, the second encounter goes to Brock, and third will go to Roman. Strowman and Joe will probably never beat Brock, Reigns will.
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Post by Jonathan Karate on Aug 21, 2017 11:58:12 GMT -5
Lesnar apparently is advertised for No Mercy so if that means he defends the title then against who? After last night it needs to be Braun.
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Post by shortboy on Aug 21, 2017 12:57:31 GMT -5
Can't wait to buy that Balor fig. I hope the face scan will have it where his mouth is open. It'd be a nice change of pace for balor figs outside of the awesome paint job.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2017 12:59:38 GMT -5
One thing I would like to know. Why is Brock champion? Last night proved that he doesn't want to work long matches because Strowman destroying him was just an excuse to give him a break while the the other guys carried the match. He doesn't put any effort into his matches so is he really worth the money? I agree 100 %. Hopefully after his contract expires in the spring he goes to the ufc. There I hope he loses every fight he is in to the point wwe won't ever want him again.
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Post by tg11 on Aug 21, 2017 13:35:00 GMT -5
Lesnar/Strowman No Mercy main event looks damn good on paper
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Post by @brit_figs on Aug 21, 2017 14:11:30 GMT -5
I just love the progression in Braun.
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Post by xtremebadass on Aug 21, 2017 14:30:04 GMT -5
People who complain Nakamura should have won aren't seeing the whole picture. I feel like they are going to have him win all feuds but when the title is on the line something happens or he comes up short. Then he will win the Rumble and face his buddy Styles at Mania, in a 5 star classic I think Nakamura is playing the same role the Undertaker did back in 2002-2006 where he'd always get so close to the title before he'd get screwed and end up feuding with guys like Heidenrich.
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